I like KO, but Giannis is beginning to look like a STUD.

[PhoSita]

For what's it's worth, I'd definitely take the following guys from the 2013 draft ahead of Kelly:


Giannis
Gobert
McCollum
Oladipo
KCP
Porter

Edit: Noel too, duh.


I think Kelly is in a mix in a group below that along with Dieng, Schroder, MCW, Plumlee, and Adams, with the order depending on what team needs are.

In short, Kelly was, at worst, drafted in just about the right place, and was maybe drafted 4-5 spots too low.

I'm not concerned with bemoaning the fact the Celts joined half the league in passing on Giannis.  The reasons for why teams passed on him are not hard to figure out.

Much more interesting to me is why Rudy Gobert was missed by practically everybody.

[KeepRondo]

For what's it's worth, I'd definitely take the following guys from the 2013 draft ahead of Kelly:


Giannis
Gobert
McCollum
Oladipo
KCP
Porter


I think Kelly is in a mix in a group below that along with Dieng, Schroder, MCW, Plumlee, and Adams, with the order depending on what team needs are.

In short, Kelly was, at worst, drafted in just about the right place, and was maybe drafted 4-5 spots too low.

I'm not concerned with bemoaning the fact the Celts joined half the league in passing on Giannis.  The reasons for why teams passed on him are not hard to figure out.

Much more interesting to me is why Rudy Gobert was missed by practically everybody.

I would put Olynyk ahead or even with Oladipo. But I agree with the first three guys on the list being ahead of him.

[hwangjini_1]

For what's it's worth, I'd definitely take the following guys from the 2013 draft ahead of Kelly:


Giannis
Gobert
McCollum
Oladipo
KCP
Porter


I think Kelly is in a mix in a group below that along with Dieng, Schroder, MCW, Plumlee, and Adams, with the order depending on what team needs are.

In short, Kelly was, at worst, drafted in just about the right place, and was maybe drafted 4-5 spots too low.

I'm not concerned with bemoaning the fact the Celts joined half the league in passing on Giannis.  The reasons for why teams passed on him are not hard to figure out.

Much more interesting to me is why Rudy Gobert was missed by practically everybody.

I would put Olynyk ahead or even with Oladipo. But I agree with the first three guys on the list being ahead of him.

so, for where olly was drafted, he is doing pretty well.

[TheFlex]

For what's it's worth, I'd definitely take the following guys from the 2013 draft ahead of Kelly:


Giannis
Gobert
McCollum
Oladipo
KCP
Porter


I think Kelly is in a mix in a group below that along with Dieng, Schroder, MCW, Plumlee, and Adams, with the order depending on what team needs are.

In short, Kelly was, at worst, drafted in just about the right place, and was maybe drafted 4-5 spots too low.

I'm not concerned with bemoaning the fact the Celts joined half the league in passing on Giannis.  The reasons for why teams passed on him are not hard to figure out.

Much more interesting to me is why Rudy Gobert was missed by practically everybody.

Off the top of my head, based on current production + potential, I'd take Schroder ahead of Olynyk.

I also agree that Kelly was taken about 4-5 spots too low. There was a "2013 re-draft" thread about a month back on here. I had Kelly going #9 in a re-draft.

edit: Here it is: http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=82574.msg2020466#msg2020466

we both forgot Nerlens Noel.

[PhoSita]

Right, I always forget Noel was in that class.


I think Schroder has a higher ceiling than Kelly but I wouldn't say the Celts should've taken Schroder because I don't think he'd have gotten a lot of opportunities on the Celts.  Not like Kelly has.

[KeepRondo]

Right, I always forget Noel was in that class.


I think Schroder has a higher ceiling than Kelly but I wouldn't say the Celts should've taken Schroder because I don't think he'd have gotten a lot of opportunities on the Celts.  Not like Kelly has.

Yes. Noel and Schroeder are both ahead of him currently.

[loco_91]

For what's it's worth, I'd definitely take the following guys from the 2013 draft ahead of Kelly:


Giannis
Gobert
McCollum
Oladipo
KCP
Porter

Edit: Noel too, duh.


I think Kelly is in a mix in a group below that along with Dieng, Schroder, MCW, Plumlee, and Adams, with the order depending on what team needs are.

In short, Kelly was, at worst, drafted in just about the right place, and was maybe drafted 4-5 spots too low.

I'm not concerned with bemoaning the fact the Celts joined half the league in passing on Giannis.  The reasons for why teams passed on him are not hard to figure out.

Much more interesting to me is why Rudy Gobert was missed by practically everybody.
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I agree with this, and i think guys like gobert--7 footers with awesome tools and a poorly developed offensive game-- qre routinely drafted too low. Deandre jordan and clint capela also come to mind.

[Ilikesports17]

For what's it's worth, I'd definitely take the following guys from the 2013 draft ahead of Kelly:


Giannis
Gobert
McCollum
Oladipo
KCP
Porter

Edit: Noel too, duh.


I think Kelly is in a mix in a group below that along with Dieng, Schroder, MCW, Plumlee, and Adams, with the order depending on what team needs are.

In short, Kelly was, at worst, drafted in just about the right place, and was maybe drafted 4-5 spots too low.

I'm not concerned with bemoaning the fact the Celts joined half the league in passing on Giannis.  The reasons for why teams passed on him are not hard to figure out.

Much more interesting to me is why Rudy Gobert was missed by practically everybody.

I agree with this, and i think guys like gobert--7 footers with awesome tools and a poorly developed offensive game-- qre routinely drafted too low. Deandre jordan and clint capela also come to mind.

It sounds great when you only list the successes

[slamtheking]

For what's it's worth, I'd definitely take the following guys from the 2013 draft ahead of Kelly:


Giannis
Gobert
McCollum
Oladipo
KCP
Porter


I think Kelly is in a mix in a group below that along with Dieng, Schroder, MCW, Plumlee, and Adams, with the order depending on what team needs are.

In short, Kelly was, at worst, drafted in just about the right place, and was maybe drafted 4-5 spots too low.

I'm not concerned with bemoaning the fact the Celts joined half the league in passing on Giannis.  The reasons for why teams passed on him are not hard to figure out.

Much more interesting to me is why Rudy Gobert was missed by practically everybody.

I would put Olynyk ahead or even with Oladipo. But I agree with the first three guys on the list being ahead of him.

so, for where olly was drafted, he is doing pretty well.

I believe he is.

it's difficult to get worked up over someone Ainge picked that if a redraft were held, the player would have been taken sooner. 

so Danny didn't take GA.  so what.  I'm one of those people who don't see any of that 'potential' being actualized on the court.  he shows flashes which is just what KO does.  I feel the difference between those flashes is that GA's athleticism makes those flashes stand out more.  Personally, when I've seen KO go the length of the court with the ball I'm more impressed than when GA does it because KO is 7 ft tall and has left his man in the dust going down the court.  it typically results in a bucket or nifty pass for a bucket. 

I'm not saying GA doesn't do that, but for all the constant hype here, you'd think the kid was already an all-NBA first teamer by now.

[Celtics18]

Here's my re-draft, for now:


1.  Giannis
2.  Gobert
3.  McCollum
4.  Schroder
5.  Nerlens
6.  Olynyk
7.  Oladipo
8.  Dieng
9.  Len
10.  Adams
11.  KCP
12.  Plumlee
13.  Otto
14.  Hardaway

That's off the top of my head so I might be missing someone.

[LooseCannon]

Much more interesting to me is why Rudy Gobert was missed by practically everybody.

That's pretty easy.  Gobert doesn't have elite athleticism, which is overvalued when drafting big men high in the lottery, and had limited offensive capabilities.  Teams generally don't spend high picks on projects who aren't seen as special when it comes to strength, speed, and leaping ability.

[Snakehead]

I don't have a huge issue with some of these rankings, but still don't buy into Giannis as a superstar yet and I think it's missed how big of a deal Kelly's shooting is for a seven foot player.  It changes your whole offense and the opposing defense.  Guards who can shoot or are pretty athletic but are never going to make an All Star team are not that rare to have them over him in a draft.

Much more interesting to me is why Rudy Gobert was missed by practically everybody.

That's pretty easy.  Gobert doesn't have elite athleticism, which is overvalued when drafting big men high in the lottery, and had limited offensive capabilities.  Teams generally don't spend high picks on projects who aren't seen as special when it comes to strength, speed, and leaping ability.

I'm sure he had a similar scouting report to Fab Melo.

[PhoSita]

Much more interesting to me is why Rudy Gobert was missed by practically everybody.

That's pretty easy.  Gobert doesn't have elite athleticism, which is overvalued when drafting big men high in the lottery, and had limited offensive capabilities.  Teams generally don't spend high picks on projects who aren't seen as special when it comes to strength, speed, and leaping ability.

I'm sure he had a similar scouting report to Fab Melo.

Rudy Gobert was significantly younger and had international pro ball experience, right?

Seems like the major draft failing there is about assessing the player from a mental / psychological standpoint.

I can see how that'd be harder with a foreigner.  On the other hand, I wouldn't draft the guy if I couldn't get a chance to sit down with him alongside a top notch interpreter, and also talk to his coaches and trainers about his work habits and behavior in the locker room.

Perhaps he didn't give that opportunity to many teams?  I dunno.

I agree that it seems explosive athleticism has tended to be overvalued with center prospects.  More important these days, I think, is lateral movement, standing reach, and the ability to grasp defensive concepts.

From what I recall, Gobert's physical measurements, at least, were phenomenal.

[LooseCannon]

Gobert has a huge wingspan, but his 29" vertical leap (Sullinger was 31", Olynyk was 29.5" for comparison) was considered unspectacular.

[Who]

My memory of Gobert at the draft was:

(1) Rail thin frame. Easy to push around. Even in French league. Concerns over his ability to put on weight and to become physical enough to be successful in the NBA.
(2) Very low skill-level. Size and athleticism but no skills.
(3) Compared to Mouhammed Sene and to a lesser degree Johan Petro. Two french busts. Oh and Alexis Ajinca. All guys who went into the lottery but failed to justify it.

There were many big men at the time who were skinny with low skill-levels who failed to develop. I think the league has gotten a bit kinder to those type of big men over the last few years compared to past years. Seems like a higher percentage of them are coming good than 5-10 years previously. Anyway, Gobert was near the start of that upward curve.

I think the only thing they really got wrong was how well Gobert was able to put on weight.