Sullinger's Weight as of 2-20-16

[BudweiserCeltic]

I would be very curious to actually see.  Last year he put on lots of weight in season and he appears to be at least no better if not a bit bigger over the course of this year.

I also don't mind Sully on a good deal but I think someone may pay him and I hope it's not us.  I much prefer Olynyk and hopefully we bring in a better big to take Sully's role/minutes.

The interesting part of this is that Sully and Olynyk together have been really really good, so I think the vs. debate should be stopped in that context. Outside of that, hopefully we can find better players than either.

[kozlodoev]

I have an old Celtics calendar (when Sully was a rookie) still hanging , and he's so skinny in those pictures compared to now that he's almost unrecognizable (combined with the different hairstyle).  Literally ~30 pound difference.

I see it multiple times a day, and I'm always shocked, like, "Whoa!  The guy I watched play last night looks like he ate that Sullinger."

Let's just hope he doesn't start eating Subway to lose the weight (I know, I can't tell jokes).

The only time he looks like he really lost weight was for the draft. Such a disappointment.

[TheSundanceKid]

Watching tonight Sully looks in good shape. Lots of movement. If anything he's shed weight

[BudweiserCeltic]

Watching tonight Sully looks in good shape. Lots of movement. If anything he's shed weight

Yeah... I wouldn't say he looks in good shape.

But I still think he looks thinner than before the break. At worst, he looks the same. But my impression is that he looks somewhat better than prior.

Whatever... not going to move the needle too much one way or another.

[walker834]

Sully is fine. He and KO have been splitting minutes and about 20 a game.  Between the 2 they are averaging really good numbers.  Sully's numbers will go way up with KO out. Just watch.

People overrate these other guys who are playing 40 mpg.  Sully plays about 20.

[crimson_stallion]

I would be very curious to actually see.  Last year he put on lots of weight in season and he appears to be at least no better if not a bit bigger over the course of this year.

I also don't mind Sully on a good deal but I think someone may pay him and I hope it's not us.  I much prefer Olynyk and hopefully we bring in a better big to take Sully's role/minutes.

The interesting part of this is that Sully and Olynyk together have been really really good, so I think the vs. debate should be stopped in that context. Outside of that, hopefully we can find better players than either.

I think the debate is fair. 

* Both guys came in at similar times and at similar ages. 
* Both guys came in as highly skilled, high BBIQ players
* Both came in with concerns about athleticism and defense at the NBA level
* Both have become quite productive NBA players, but have yet to take that big step

If there is one clear distinction between the two players, I feel it is attitude and work ethic.

I feel that Sully has come in to this league very cocky, with the belief that he's so talented that he can earn his pay day and have a long career without ever having to put in 100% effort...and to be honest he's probably right.

I feel Olynyk has come into the league very humble, fearing that he is the young goofy kid starting high school all over again, and that he needs to earn respect and work his way to success.

I think you can see those attitudes clearly when you watch the guys plays.  Sully has a very obvious ego to him - he has no shame taking questionable shots, talking back to star players, etc.  But the ego seems to also impact his work ethic, because he seems to feel that he doesn't have to work as hard as other guys, and so he lets himself go abit.

Looking at Olynyk you can see he is not a natural born leader, lacks natural confidence, is unselfish to a fault.  He often seems to second guess himself, passing up a good shots because he'd rather see his teammate hit a shot rather than take all the glory himself.  Sometimes that's a bad thing, because sometimes the shot he initially had was better than the shot his teammate had.  But on the flip side you can see that even though he lacks confidence, he WANTS to earn respect and he WANTS to be a good player.  You can see that every year he works on his body, works on his game, really tries hard to be a great team player and make an impact - which he does. 

I tend to lean heavily towards Olynyk because I feel like a guy who works hard and is unselfish will almost always earn the respect of his teammates, and will almost always get better as a player during the course of his career.  I think Olynyk is the type of guy players would love to play with - somebody who has no problems sacrificing his numbers and doing the little things that nobody else wants to do...if that's what he has to do to help his team win.

i feel like Sully is the guy who teammates will tire of having to constantly push (for lack of natural motivation), constantly scold (for making bad decisions and forcing things) and get frustrated playing with (for his selfishness and tendency to hog the ball), etc.

I feel like Sully vs Olynyk argument is like a Big Baby vs Bass argument.  Big Baby was probably infinitely more talented than Bass ever was, but he was undisciplined, lacked motivation, and lacked self control.  Bass had very limited natural talent, but he worked butt off every year, and every year he added something new to his game - and by the time he reached his last one or two seasons with us, he was a really solid starter who you could depend on any and every night to give you that 14 and 7 with 110% effort...while Big Baby is now pretty much out of the league. 

It's for this reason that i take Olynyk over Sully every time.

[SHAQATTACK]

6.5  tons

[Snakehead]

It's for this reason that i take Olynyk over Sully every time.

I see where you are coming from with a lot of this post but saying Sully is way more skilled than Olynyk is not accurate.  It'd be the other way around if anything.  I think it's rather close, Sully is skilled, but Olynyk is so special because he can pass, shoot, and handle the ball with more skill than just about any 7 foot player you will see.  His issues are defense (which I think he pretty much has answered this year at least as far as a weakness) and then his mentality which still needs work to live up to his high skill level.

So basically I think the Bass/Big Baby thing was way off.

[slamtheking]

good lord, can people just let this fascination with body shaming go?  only here could you see the same people complaining over and over about his conditioning and yet at this moment in the Denver game he's posted 16 points on 7/12 shooting and 11 rebounds in just 23 minutes.  I swear if he walked on water the same people here would be saying he needs to lose weight so he'd float over the water   

[BudweiserCeltic]

I would be very curious to actually see.  Last year he put on lots of weight in season and he appears to be at least no better if not a bit bigger over the course of this year.

I also don't mind Sully on a good deal but I think someone may pay him and I hope it's not us.  I much prefer Olynyk and hopefully we bring in a better big to take Sully's role/minutes.

The interesting part of this is that Sully and Olynyk together have been really really good, so I think the vs. debate should be stopped in that context. Outside of that, hopefully we can find better players than either.

I think the debate is fair. 

* Both guys came in at similar times and at similar ages. 
* Both guys came in as highly skilled, high BBIQ players
* Both came in with concerns about athleticism and defense at the NBA level
* Both have become quite productive NBA players, but have yet to take that big step

If there is one clear distinction between the two players, I feel it is attitude and work ethic.

I feel that Sully has come in to this league very cocky, with the belief that he's so talented that he can earn his pay day and have a long career without ever having to put in 100% effort...and to be honest he's probably right.

I feel Olynyk has come into the league very humble, fearing that he is the young goofy kid starting high school all over again, and that he needs to earn respect and work his way to success.

I think you can see those attitudes clearly when you watch the guys plays.  Sully has a very obvious ego to him - he has no shame taking questionable shots, talking back to star players, etc.  But the ego seems to also impact his work ethic, because he seems to feel that he doesn't have to work as hard as other guys, and so he lets himself go abit.

Looking at Olynyk you can see he is not a natural born leader, lacks natural confidence, is unselfish to a fault.  He often seems to second guess himself, passing up a good shots because he'd rather see his teammate hit a shot rather than take all the glory himself.  Sometimes that's a bad thing, because sometimes the shot he initially had was better than the shot his teammate had.  But on the flip side you can see that even though he lacks confidence, he WANTS to earn respect and he WANTS to be a good player.  You can see that every year he works on his body, works on his game, really tries hard to be a great team player and make an impact - which he does. 

I tend to lean heavily towards Olynyk because I feel like a guy who works hard and is unselfish will almost always earn the respect of his teammates, and will almost always get better as a player during the course of his career.  I think Olynyk is the type of guy players would love to play with - somebody who has no problems sacrificing his numbers and doing the little things that nobody else wants to do...if that's what he has to do to help his team win.

i feel like Sully is the guy who teammates will tire of having to constantly push (for lack of natural motivation), constantly scold (for making bad decisions and forcing things) and get frustrated playing with (for his selfishness and tendency to hog the ball), etc.

I feel like Sully vs Olynyk argument is like a Big Baby vs Bass argument.  Big Baby was probably infinitely more talented than Bass ever was, but he was undisciplined, lacked motivation, and lacked self control.  Bass had very limited natural talent, but he worked butt off every year, and every year he added something new to his game - and by the time he reached his last one or two seasons with us, he was a really solid starter who you could depend on any and every night to give you that 14 and 7 with 110% effort...while Big Baby is now pretty much out of the league. 

It's for this reason that i take Olynyk over Sully every time.

Again, the context of my post is that both play well together, then given that context I don't think it's really all that important to keep one over the other as both can co-exist and thrive together.

Outside of that is simply finding better players than either of them, and at that point I'm of the opinion that it really doesn't matter which is sacrificed at that point. Further than that, acquiring players better than them is not mutually exclusive to keeping both players on.

Keeping Sullinger beyond this season shouldn't be seen as a knock on Olynyk, and passing on Sullinger this season shouldn't be seen as a vote of confidence in Olynyk either. I just don't think that their fates are in competition with one another as much as it's been made out to be (or was apparently in the past). That they can seemingly thrive together is more than evidence for this.

But sure we can have the debates for the fun of it, but choosing who's better than the other doesn't seem, in my view, as critical a point to make.

So in the end, meh. They have their roles to play, and both are more than replaceable.

[Clench123]

good lord, can people just let this fascination with body shaming go?  only here could you see the same people complaining over and over about his conditioning and yet at this moment in the Denver game he's posted 16 points on 7/12 shooting and 11 rebounds in just 23 minutes.  I swear if he walked on water the same people here would be saying he needs to lose weight so he'd float over the water   

I agree.  As long as the guy is producing and continues to utilize his size well, who cares.

[Csfan1984]

Problem is his good performances seem to coincide with every fat thread. So keep the threads coming lol

[knuckleballer]

good lord, can people just let this fascination with body shaming go?  only here could you see the same people complaining over and over about his conditioning and yet at this moment in the Denver game he's posted 16 points on 7/12 shooting and 11 rebounds in just 23 minutes.  I swear if he walked on water the same people here would be saying he needs to lose weight so he'd float over the water   

The guy ballooned up to over 300 lbs. during last season and had to be sat down for a couple of months as a result.  I think it's a fair topic of conversation.

[ssspence]

It's funny because he's fat.

[jambr380]

Sully must be pushing the 300 lb threshold, but I am sure his listed weight is still in the 270 range. It is funny because with many [especially young] players, they actually bump their weights up to make them seem 'bulkier.'

I suppose this can only help our re-signing of him this offseason. His value certainly has to be plummeting, but he is still an effective player. Remember when we thought he could be the 'Al Jefferson' piece in a KLove trade? Yikes!