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Re: Danny on WEEI @5PM(won't give up best assets for players in their 30's)
« Reply #30 on: February 04, 2016, 07:32:24 PM »

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The more I hear, the more I'm convinced we'll do nothing unless a no-brainer option falls in our lap.  Ainge wants that double-max cap space so he can go after Durant + Horford this summer. 

Sure, we'll maybe take someone like Gallinari if we give up nothing to get him, but it's best to maintain our flexibility for this Summer.

Don't get your hopes up for KD.

You're looking at a potential Sign and Trade of Harrison Barnes if he pulls a harden and isn't willing to leave $ on the table to stay in GS.
Why is everyone so sure that KD won't sign with Boston?  I mean has come out and said so?

Nobody really knows it, but I think it's just seen as unlikely.  If Durant wants to win more than anything, then there are theoretically better places to be than here. Golden State being one prime example.

But who knows - maybe he wants to go somewhere and be the center of the team, rather than be Steph Curry's sidekick.  After all, nobody on this earth predicted Monroe signing in Milwaukee (that didn't go so well lol).

Re: Danny on WEEI @5PM(won't give up best assets for players in their 30's)
« Reply #31 on: February 04, 2016, 07:40:35 PM »

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The more I hear, the more I'm convinced we'll do nothing unless a no-brainer option falls in our lap.  Ainge wants that double-max cap space so he can go after Durant + Horford this summer. 

Sure, we'll maybe take someone like Gallinari if we give up nothing to get him, but it's best to maintain our flexibility for this Summer.

Don't get your hopes up for KD.

You're looking at a potential Sign and Trade of Harrison Barnes if he pulls a harden and isn't willing to leave $ on the table to stay in GS.
Why is everyone so sure that KD won't sign with Boston?  I mean has come out and said so?

Nobody really knows it, but I think it's just seen as unlikely.  If Durant wants to win more than anything, then there are theoretically better places to be than here. Golden State being one prime example.

But who knows - maybe he wants to go somewhere and be the center of the team, rather than be Steph Curry's sidekick.  After all, nobody on this earth predicted Monroe signing in Milwaukee (that didn't go so well lol).

Boston seems like a strong candidate for Durant IMO. We are already in the running for #3 seed in the East , with Cle being the only team on another level .

If you can sign Durant , you still have all your brk picks and young talent as trade assets to add around him .

A #3 seed with a bunch of assets to add more elite talent seems like a pretty good spot to be in .

Re: Danny on WEEI @5PM(won't give up best assets for players in their 30's)
« Reply #32 on: February 04, 2016, 07:43:07 PM »

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Like I said Danny ain't dumb

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You want give us Howard fine. Want to give us Horford fine.

If not, your loss. See if you can get any better

Deadline is still a few weeks away. Atlanta will become desperate. More than houston

Re: Danny on WEEI @5PM(won't give up best assets for players in their 30's)
« Reply #33 on: February 04, 2016, 08:06:52 PM »

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The more I hear, the more I'm convinced we'll do nothing unless a no-brainer option falls in our lap.  Ainge wants that double-max cap space so he can go after Durant + Horford this summer. 

Sure, we'll maybe take someone like Gallinari if we give up nothing to get him, but it's best to maintain our flexibility for this Summer.

Don't get your hopes up for KD.

You're looking at a potential Sign and Trade of Harrison Barnes if he pulls a harden and isn't willing to leave $ on the table to stay in GS.
Why is everyone so sure that KD won't sign with Boston?  I mean has come out and said so?

Nobody really knows it, but I think it's just seen as unlikely.  If Durant wants to win more than anything, then there are theoretically better places to be than here. Golden State being one prime example.

But who knows - maybe he wants to go somewhere and be the center of the team, rather than be Steph Curry's sidekick.  After all, nobody on this earth predicted Monroe signing in Milwaukee (that didn't go so well lol).

Boston seems like a strong candidate for Durant IMO. We are already in the running for #3 seed in the East , with Cle being the only team on another level .

If you can sign Durant , you still have all your brk picks and young talent as trade assets to add around him .

A #3 seed with a bunch of assets to add more elite talent seems like a pretty good spot to be in .

If Golden State didn't just win the finals and didn't look near unstoppable this season I'd be more optimistic.  OKC is third in the West which is pretty good, and they too could just add a piece or two and be in the running, and yes they still have to go threw GSW and SA, but so would the C's at the end.

Only way Durant doesn't bounce to GSW is if he doesn't want to be second or third fiddle. If he doesn't want to look like Lebron and take the easier way out by teaming up with two other All Stars. Saw a rumor that the Clips are willing to trade Griffin for Durant, which I think would be a win win for both teams. OKC keeps and all star under contract, and the Clips get the wing they need.

Only way Durant sniffs at Boston is that DA grabs a all star or boarder line all star next to IT and make some noise in the playoffs. I really think anything short of ECF or a game away from making it theres a good chance he doesn't bother meeting with DA.

Re: Danny on WEEI @5PM(won't give up best assets for players in their 30's)
« Reply #34 on: February 04, 2016, 08:12:45 PM »

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The more I hear, the more I'm convinced we'll do nothing unless a no-brainer option falls in our lap.  Ainge wants that double-max cap space so he can go after Durant + Horford this summer. 

Sure, we'll maybe take someone like Gallinari if we give up nothing to get him, but it's best to maintain our flexibility for this Summer.

I'm 100% with you here. Furthermore, I'd apply this to most GMs at this deadline. Everyone wants to maintain that max space just to see what they can do in the offseason. Horford at a minimal cost is probably the only flashy move that Danny would make IMO.
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Re: Danny on WEEI @5PM(won't give up best assets for players in their 30's)
« Reply #35 on: February 04, 2016, 08:16:43 PM »

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The more I hear, the more I'm convinced we'll do nothing unless a no-brainer option falls in our lap.  Ainge wants that double-max cap space so he can go after Durant + Horford this summer. 

Sure, we'll maybe take someone like Gallinari if we give up nothing to get him, but it's best to maintain our flexibility for this Summer.

Don't get your hopes up for KD.

You're looking at a potential Sign and Trade of Harrison Barnes if he pulls a harden and isn't willing to leave $ on the table to stay in GS.
Why is everyone so sure that KD won't sign with Boston?  I mean has come out and said so?

Nobody really knows it, but I think it's just seen as unlikely.  If Durant wants to win more than anything, then there are theoretically better places to be than here. Golden State being one prime example.

But who knows - maybe he wants to go somewhere and be the center of the team, rather than be Steph Curry's sidekick.  After all, nobody on this earth predicted Monroe signing in Milwaukee (that didn't go so well lol).

Boston seems like a strong candidate for Durant IMO. We are already in the running for #3 seed in the East , with Cle being the only team on another level .

If you can sign Durant , you still have all your brk picks and young talent as trade assets to add around him .

A #3 seed with a bunch of assets to add more elite talent seems like a pretty good spot to be in .

We are in a good spot no doubt, but we're actually a #4 seed right now, not #3 (albeit tied with Atlanta) and there are only 2 1/2 games separating the 8th seed from the 3rd in the East - with things being this competitive, we could are almost as likely to finish the season as an 8th seed as we are to finish as a 3rd seed.

On the other hand, the Thunder are #3 in the West (in fact, #3 in the entire league) with a full 5 games separating them from the Clippers for the 4th seed and a superstar teammate in Westbrook.

Right now it seems to make little sense for Durant to leave OKC for greener pastures (pun intended) in Boston.  Certainly not out of the question if he wants a change in scenery, but if I were in his shoes I probably Boston wouldn't be the first place that would spring to mind.

But as others have said, just because it's not likely doesn't mean you don't give it your best shot.  If you are Danny, you definitely have to at least try to put your best offer forward any time there is a top 5 player on the free agent market.

If we were to add Dwight Howard via a trade this season, then I think the chance of that happening becomes much higher...though still we'd still probably be no more than a 3rd option (after Golden State and OKC) for KD I would think.   

Personally, I think he'll stay in OKC.  He's been there his whole life, the city has supported him, and even though they haven't won a title they have been extremely competitive in his time there.  OKC probably sees themselves as having a legit outside chance of upsetting the Warriors in the playoffs, and to be honest they are probably one of only three teams (Cavs, Spurs being the others) who do have a chance of that. 

Also I just get the impression that KD is a pretty loyal guy, and he doesn't seem like one to 'rock the boat'.

Re: Danny on WEEI @5PM(won't give up best assets for players in their 30's)
« Reply #36 on: February 04, 2016, 08:29:10 PM »

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That's a good point.  We'd be able to draft in the interm and Durant or someone would ultimately force his way and want to be on our team to win a title where we do a swap somewhere.  Howard is 30 years old but just in name factor alone, as long as he plays decently, he's still a big name for the next several years hopefully. I think Howard is worth that. He's also a center.

I'm a little more pushy where I think Ainge can make things happen faster than that though if all the chips fall right.

We are currently the 3rd or 4th seed and looking up as a team.  Taking a step back to take steps forward isn't out of the question but I still think Ainge can put this together in some way in short order if he's patient enough.

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Re: Danny on WEEI @5PM(won't give up best assets for players in their 30's)
« Reply #37 on: February 04, 2016, 08:35:13 PM »

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anyone found this online yet?
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Read that last line again. One more time.


Re: Danny on WEEI @5PM(won't give up best assets for players in their 30's)
« Reply #39 on: February 04, 2016, 08:42:07 PM »

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I don't think Ainge is ruling out these guys.  But if we trade for them it would be more to have them as 3rd, 4th wheels where we can add another piece somehow to go with them. Howard also probably wants a max contract.  Whether he would get it is something else but there are a ton of details to think about. Gallinari probably wouldn't command that. 

Having Howard as our center if we have a really good starting 5 might be good even still.  I think Ainge is basically looking at it from that angle.  Howard might just not be worth the headache though.

Having Isaiah, Gallo, Howard, a young superstar and a guy like Marcus as our starting 5 is probably more what he is seeing there though where we can possibly get a top 2 pick this year or a top PF or SF as well.  I think KO and Crowder are pretty underrated personally but he probably just doesn't want to give up all his assets.

He's probably just trying to put the puzzle together himself where it would be a situation where we keep those assets and aren't as constrained.

Houston's asking price right now is probably too high is what he is saying as well.

This is getting somewhat close. The nets pick is the kicker though.  We'd have to swap it for a guy like Durant or draft Simmons.  Howard would be our Ray allen.  The issue is we dont get the top pick it's more jeff green for ray allen as far as picks.  But we have enough assets where we might be able to entice a team like OKC to build around Westbrook.  There are too many factors and unknowns.  We dont know what Houston really wants.  Howard would probably have to take less than a max deal. Gallo would most definately have to sign for that.  We'd get to keep MArcus and Isaiah and at least someone like KO or Crowder off our bench. It all sounds well and good in theory. But getting to that point is a bit much for me right now.

Re: Danny on WEEI @5PM(won't give up best assets for players in their 30's)
« Reply #40 on: February 04, 2016, 08:42:20 PM »

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That's a good point.  We'd be able to draft in the interm and Durant or someone would ultimately force his way and want to be on our team to win a title where we do a swap somewhere.  Howard is 30 years old but just in name factor alone, as long as he plays decently, he's still a big name for the next several years hopefully. I think Howard is worth that. He's also a center.

I'm a little more pushy where I think Ainge can make things happen faster than that though if all the chips fall right.

We are currently the 3rd or 4th seed and looking up as a team.  Taking a step back to take steps forward isn't out of the question but I still think Ainge can put this together in some way in short order if he's patient enough.
I hope you are not suggesting that Celtics + Howard is attractive enough for KD to sign here. He is better off staying in OKC and in fact I think that is still most likely.

Re: Danny on WEEI @5PM(won't give up best assets for players in their 30's)
« Reply #41 on: February 04, 2016, 08:45:10 PM »

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I'm not ruling anything out is more what I'm saying.  We don't know.  Durant is just one guy and an example.  He's a really good guy though lol. Getting ahead of myself in ways sure but not really.  That's the fun of it.

I'm just more trying to think through how Howard would actually fit here and could lead us to a championship.

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« Reply #42 on: February 04, 2016, 08:49:53 PM »

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Not counting on us signing KD at all... but I think Ainge wants to maintain as much flexibility as possible.  He has to take a shot at KD.  It's insane not to.  And if you have a decent 45-50 win team with double-max cap space and some valuable trade assets, it's an outstanding option if a guy like Durant is looking for a new home and want to bring a buddy.

Totally concur with this regarding Ainge's line of thinking. If you cannot land Durant and a high-end running mate (like Horford), then you leverage your assets and looks towards potential trades. 

It's a similar strategy to the 2003-2007 years.  Very few of us thought it possible to land a star of KG's ilk.  Even KG was initially hesitant to come here, but then Ainge swung the Ray Allen trade and that changed the calculus. 

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« Reply #43 on: February 04, 2016, 08:52:40 PM »

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Wouldn't Durant rather be the #1 guy here on a championship team?  Vs playing second fiddle to Westbrook?  OKC would be really hard to budge on that because he is their franchise.  But Durant might actually like that idea imo.

Both Durant and Westbrook are high volume scorers.  Westbrook in particular is a high volume everything guard and Durant has some injuries and has started to slow down compared to the hectic pace that westbrook plays. Wouldn't playing with a guy like Howard be good for him?

Howard and Durant to me would be a better combination in ways with a better supporting up tempo cast but that's me. Kevin Durant might see that differently.  I would probably disagree with him in ways if he does.

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« Reply #44 on: February 04, 2016, 09:07:12 PM »

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Wouldn't Durant rather be the #1 guy here on a championship team?  Vs playing second fiddle to Westbrook?  OKC would be really hard to budge on that because he is their franchise.  But Durant might actually like that idea imo.

Both Durant and Westbrook are high volume scorers.  Westbrook in particular is a high volume everything guard and Durant has some injuries and has started to slow down compared to the hectic pace that westbrook plays. Wouldn't playing with a guy like Howard be good for him?

Howard and Durant to me would be a better combination in ways with a better supporting up tempo cast but that's me. Kevin Durant might see that differently.  I would probably disagree with him in ways if he does.
Maybe, and I see your point, but would that scenario in Boston really be more likely to win a championship than the current OKC team?  I'm not convinced, and my guess a ring is more important to KD than simply being the alpha dog somewhere.