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Re: Potentially Under utilized players to target
« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2016, 04:45:43 PM »

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I think RJ Hunter has more talent than Ben McLemore. Better ball-handler, much better passer and can make a wider variety of types of shots. McLemore has him defensively.

I am unsure whether I'd swap James Young for Ben McLemore. McLemore is the better today and a much surer thing but James Young has more size and better ability to play SF minutes. I am leaning towards rolling the dice and seeing how J.Young develops over the next 18 months.

I like McLemore well enough. I would be happy to see him here. But I do not see high upside in him. Too limited in his ball-handling which hurts his shot-creation and also his passing. I think his role is as a defensive minded shooter. Good role player material. Borderline starter.
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Re: Potentially Under utilized players to target
« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2016, 04:46:12 PM »

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What about Troy Daniels?

We as a team like to shoot 3's, and here's a guy from Charlotte, toiling in the bench because they signed Lamb to a new deal, who can shoot 3's and is not afraid to take them.

We could certainly have a use of his skills.
i looked up his stats since i dont this guy at all. impressive 3pt shooting 42%. but only plays a few minutes a game. why is that? what is it about him that makes a team NOT want him on the floor?

i would appreciate some insights on this.

It could be a number of things: fit with teammates, ability (or lack) to defend his position, etc. He's on a vet min contract that is expiring, so perhaps CHA doesn't feel there's much point in playing him if he's not viewed as a part of the team going forward.
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Re: Potentially Under utilized players to target
« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2016, 04:47:38 PM »

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I think RJ Hunter has more talent than Ben McLemore. Better ball-handler, much better passer and can make a wider variety of types of shots. McLemore has him defensively.

I am unsure whether I'd swap James Young for Ben McLemore. McLemore is the better today and a much surer thing but James Young has more size and better ability to play SF minutes. I am leaning towards rolling the dice and seeing how J.Young develops over the next 18 months.

I don't agree.  Hunter and Young might never even play a meaningful minute in the NBA.  Who knows.  McLemore has a low usage, but he shoots 45% and 37% from three, he's only 23 years old and has started 178 games already.   Kings are a terribly run team... I'd be really curious about giving McLemore a shot in a real system.

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« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2016, 04:48:48 PM »

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What about Troy Daniels?

We as a team like to shoot 3's, and here's a guy from Charlotte, toiling in the bench because they signed Lamb to a new deal, who can shoot 3's and is not afraid to take them.

We could certainly have a use of his skills.
i looked up his stats since i dont this guy at all. impressive 3pt shooting 42%. but only plays a few minutes a game. why is that? what is it about him that makes a team NOT want him on the floor?

i would appreciate some insights on this.

Kemba, Jeremy Lin and Jeremy Lamb are ahead of him in the pecking order, guards wise. It's possible that his playing time is also being influenced by MKG's return and Nicolas Batum when they play together on the court.

But let's go back to the guard rotations. I get why Kemba and Lin plays ahead of him, but he shoots better than Lamb, especially on the 3PT line, and, according to the numbers at NBA.com/Stats, he's a better defender than Lamb (now granted he goes mostly against second units, so that's a perspective, but still).

I guess it's because a.) He's not a combo guard who can handle the ball, as he's mostly a shooter so Steve Clifford don't want him playing and/or b.) they just upped Lamb to a new contract, which means they have to get their money's worth. Because why would they bench a guy who they just paid money?

I don't get it either. 
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« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2016, 04:49:04 PM »

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What about Troy Daniels?

We as a team like to shoot 3's, and here's a guy from Charlotte, toiling in the bench because they signed Lamb to a new deal, who can shoot 3's and is not afraid to take them.

We could certainly have a use of his skills.
i looked up his stats since i dont this guy at all. impressive 3pt shooting 42%. but only plays a few minutes a game. why is that? what is it about him that makes a team NOT want him on the floor?

i would appreciate some insights on this.

That's the right question and one that all too often doesn't get asked around here.

He's horrible defensively and thus not worth it.
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« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2016, 04:57:51 PM »

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i still want ben mclemore
As do I.

If we could get Mclemore for some seconds and then let him come in and be a shooter off the bench in a good system with good coaching, I think you could see a really positive return.

If he blossoms (which I think he definitely could) then all of a sudden its really easy to trade AB. If he doesnt, then presumably hed still be a decen shooter off the bench.

The only problem would be that we have an incredibly crowded back court already with 3 guys who probably deserve to start and 3 more guys who by next year will probably deserve a role.

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« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2016, 05:00:29 PM »

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What about Troy Daniels?

We as a team like to shoot 3's, and here's a guy from Charlotte, toiling in the bench because they signed Lamb to a new deal, who can shoot 3's and is not afraid to take them.

We could certainly have a use of his skills.
i looked up his stats since i dont this guy at all. impressive 3pt shooting 42%. but only plays a few minutes a game. why is that? what is it about him that makes a team NOT want him on the floor?

i would appreciate some insights on this.

That's the right question and one that all too often doesn't get asked around here.

He's horrible defensively and thus not worth it.

His defensive stats suggests he's not.

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/203584/tracking/defense/

Now of course there's more to defense than just holding your opponent's shooting to 6.7% less than their average, but that's good stuff.

If we compare it, his numbers are actually better than Lin's.

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/202391/tracking/defense/

So either I'm interpreting the numbers wrong, I'm missing a big part of the picture, or Daniels is not really as bad a defender as people would think.
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« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2016, 07:05:35 PM »

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If we're talking under-utilized guys, I'd look for players who never had 20mpg in a season.
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« Reply #23 on: February 15, 2016, 07:39:10 PM »

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I think RJ Hunter has more talent than Ben McLemore. Better ball-handler, much better passer and can make a wider variety of types of shots. McLemore has him defensively.

I am unsure whether I'd swap James Young for Ben McLemore. McLemore is the better today and a much surer thing but James Young has more size and better ability to play SF minutes. I am leaning towards rolling the dice and seeing how J.Young develops over the next 18 months.

I like McLemore enough. I would be happy to see him here. But I do not see high upside in him. Too limited in his ball-handling which hurts his shot-creation and also his passing. I think his role is as a defensive minded shooter. Good role player material. Borderline starter.

Everyone says what a great shooter Hunter is.  What is his shooting percentage this season?  From 3? 

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« Reply #24 on: February 15, 2016, 07:46:57 PM »

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McLemore, Henson, and Muhammad all fit in to this category. I don't know if Jones does because his play has really regressed this year.
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Re: Potentially Under utilized players to target
« Reply #25 on: February 15, 2016, 07:54:02 PM »

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I think RJ Hunter has more talent than Ben McLemore. Better ball-handler, much better passer and can make a wider variety of types of shots. McLemore has him defensively.

I am unsure whether I'd swap James Young for Ben McLemore. McLemore is the better today and a much surer thing but James Young has more size and better ability to play SF minutes. I am leaning towards rolling the dice and seeing how J.Young develops over the next 18 months.

I like McLemore enough. I would be happy to see him here. But I do not see high upside in him. Too limited in his ball-handling which hurts his shot-creation and also his passing. I think his role is as a defensive minded shooter. Good role player material. Borderline starter.

Everyone says what a great shooter Hunter is.  What is his shooting percentage this season?  From 3?

Oh yeah, McLemore is a better spot up shooter.

I think RJ Hunter can get himself wider variety of shots (scoring opportunities) for himself though due to his superior movement without the basketball + ball-handling skills.

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« Reply #26 on: February 16, 2016, 04:13:19 AM »

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From the other thread just like this one:

My votes for potential guys who could really show what they can do in a new situation would be Omri Cassipi, Will Barton, Evan Fournier and Jeff Withey.

Jeff Withey's a good candidate!
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« Reply #27 on: February 16, 2016, 09:39:30 AM »

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I like Jon Leuer's game. He's been a pleasant surprise for the Suns this season. He could really fit well on our system. He's quick for his size defensively:

http://stats.nba.com/game/#!/0021500381/playbyplay/?GameID=0021500381&GameEventID=28&mtype=&mtitle=#play28

http://stats.nba.com/game/#!/0021500381/playbyplay/?GameID=0021500381&GameEventID=33&mtype=&mtitle=#play33

and unlike Olynyk and Jerebko is not a pushover down low.  On offense, he has the ability to shoot the three (40% this season) as well as drive it on closeouts and is also capable passer. the only thing going against him is his age - he will turn 27 this year.

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« Reply #28 on: February 16, 2016, 09:51:08 AM »

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Donatas Motiejunas and Terrence Jones. Two players with a lot of talent on a poorly coached team that doesn't give effort. Put him on the Celtics and I think we get a lot more out of these guys than Houston has.
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Re: Potentially Under utilized players to target
« Reply #29 on: February 16, 2016, 12:07:35 PM »

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Thinking about this kind of target as the deadline nears. Henson is by far the modest acquisition I'd most like to see. A couple other underutilized players would be Jerami Grant and Kyle O'Quinn.

From today's Zach Lowe article:

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The Knicks, meanwhile, are trying to get off money. They're dangling Jose Calderon and Kyle O'Quinn in exchange for rotation players on expiring deals, sources say. Good luck!

Depending on what "rotation player" means...let's get him!

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zuhvboz

We send NY Jerebko's unguaranteed contract.
Maybe also a non-Philly, non-Minny 2nd or two.
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