Did Smart flop?

[danglertx]

I guess I'd have to get the official definition of a flop.  All charges are basically flops if that was.  It was less of a flop than Amir's flagrant foul for sure.

[SHAQATTACK]

If contact is initiated by the offensive player ......who is to,say how much force was actually THERE .

It hard to flop in the mannor he did .  The way his feet flew up and out is not an easy thing to,fake in a 1/10 of a sec .

I could,see no flop ........look like to me Melo just sit Smart on his tail.

Smart stuck his chest out to absorb the blow ,  and it just pancaked or plastered him to the floor.

[YoungOne87]

thats a flop or at least a big overreaction...

but atleast he flops way less than last season.

[rollie mass]

carmelo is big and strong,the art of drawing a charge is to go with the blow as contact is made
in my view that was a charge lowered shoulder into chest,chrowder later took the elbow
too me a flop is an ill timed attempt to draw a charge,going down before or with minimal contact -there is a fine line sometimes but not here

[DrJasper]

Great position  to draw the charge but he overdid it with selling the contact, just looked ridiculous.
But I forgive him because most of the time he gets the call. 

[walker834]

He caused a really bad shot so I say it was good defense.  Marcus does flop though.  He does a lot of different things that antagonize the offensive player.  I don't know how i feel on that stuff.  It used to be way worse with the amount of trash talking that used to go on. What Smart does isn't malice or trying to hurt another player like you see Dwade leading with his knee and Dwight Howard with his elbows as well. 

[Alleyoopster]

If that is not charge, then aren't you saying what Shaq used to do was okay? And, that was to incrementally push a stationary defensive player out of his position until one is close to basket.

In other words it would have been okay for Carmelo to use his body as a battering ram and gradually move Smart's body beneath the basket. That way he'd have an easy layup. 

In my opinion that should be offensive foul too, but the refs often don't call it unless the defensive player sells it. 

[walker834]

That's true. Offensive players get away with a lot more.  Especially superstar players.  Defensive players you see them pull the chair out sometimes.  It's cheap but it goes both ways. MArcus sells it when he gets fouled on offense too. HE flops when he gets fouled on offense as well.  Is Marcus a dirty player?  No more than any other nba superstar and he doesn't do it with malice.

I think with Marcus if anything he really sells it so its more obvious with him. Some players do some really dirty things that don't even get noticed.

At least he's honest with his flops lol.

[walker834]

He's a really good defensive player and is trying to anticipate and draw a charge as well.  It's like where do you draw the line on that. He might have just timed that wrong a bit and was over zealous.  He does the same on offense and tries to draw fouls.  There is no malice involved he just over does it sometimes.

There is no  hand checking so this is how good defenders are taught how to play defense is anticipate and draw charges like that. Split second earlier that might have been perfect defense and he's trying to time it that way.

That particular play i say was just good defense for that reason. No charge and just created a bad shot.  A split second earlier it would have been a charge.

[Celtics4ever]

It doesn't matter if he did or not , it is what they called.   He must have a reputation for flopping now.

I thought he was set.

[greg683x]

We've been hosed by so many plays like that over the years so I really don't care if he did or didn't

[walker834]

did they call it a charge?  I didn't see the play during the game.  I don't think it was a charge either.  He didn't time it quite right.  Had he been there a step earlier Melo would have really charged there. It was more just good defense and Smart reacting to the offensive player. 

[DarkAzcura]

Meh. Like the word tanking, a lot of terms applicable to the NBA are being overused for shock value. CP3, Harden, Pierce etc ripping through the lane and flailing about with no contact is flopping (and sometimes they do it legitimately). Smart can be a flopper at times, but this is not an example of that. The NBA put together a series of flops and videos to show what a flop is and what isn't. Generally minor to no contact with over-embellishment is considered a flop. Taking contact and falling back when an offensive player rams their shoulder into you is not considered a flop even if there is some embellishment. It's accepted because it helps refs make offensive foul calls that they would otherwise miss. It's still a bit subjective, but this type of "flop" seems acceptable by the NBA guidelines they put out a few years back.

[kozlodoev]

I was also thinking the same thing when I saw everyone making a big deal about it. It's certainly embellished, as most charge attempts are, but I don't see how it's a flop. Flops are egregiously embellished acts from minor contact. There was decent contact on this call, and Smart just exaggerated it a bit to get the call. I see a big difference between the two.

That's the definition of a flop, though. Exaggerating impact in order to draw a call.

[RockinRyA]

yeah its a flop. not as bad as lebron's but a flop nonetheless.