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Re: this game put marcus in perspective
« Reply #60 on: February 04, 2016, 01:31:00 PM »

Offline kozlodoev

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Sure, 50% on threes is "unsustainable," but so was below 20%.

He's most likely to settle in as an average to slightly above average three point shooter.
Sure, he shot 30% from three last season, and he'll probably shoot around 30% this season. There's a long way to go from that to average.

I was watching the game on and off yesterday, but it seems every time I sat down the front of the TV, Marcus was either lollygagging bringing the ball up the floor, making a bad decision offensively, or getting killed on the other end of the floor. I was surprised he had 17 points when it was all said and done, but it looks like that was just the product of hitting a handful of threes.


He didn't shoot 30% last season; he shot 33%.  There's a significant difference.  Considering his awful start shooting the ball from deep this season, I don't expect him to get back to that number.  If he can get to 30 by the end of 2015-16, I'll consider that a success.

With more reps and more confidence, I still think he'll be better than that moving forward.  His stroke looks good.

Time will tell.
Fair enough. He was at 30% for his career before the hot streak, that's what I remember.

I don't know about his stroke. It looks "good" to me in the same way in which Tim Tebow's throwing motion looks good in slo-mo, if I can use a football analogy.

Smart kind of winds up, brings the ball down, and has an awfully slow release. He also took some horrible heat check threes during that game when he shot 5 for 9 which probably won't fall on most days. He may still end up a decent offensive player, but the idea that he'll average 17ppg is wildly premature at this point.
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Re: this game put marcus in perspective
« Reply #61 on: February 04, 2016, 01:31:21 PM »

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Last seven games, 17-34 on threes.

Already knew he had All-Defensive potential.
Now it looks like he has All-NBA potential.
Time to change his status to Untouchable.
Let's not get carried away based on a hot streak, but he looks awesome.  Put the ball in his hands and watch his assists go way up too.

I hear what you're saying, I usually don't take small samples seriously, but this isn't so much a hot streak as a revelation that he's definitely not going to suck or be below average on offense. If he can already take 5 threes a game and hit 50 percent of them for seven games, then his shot isn't irreparably flawed and he's probably going to be able to hit them at a pretty good rate over the long haul. If he provides better than average offense plus his level of defense, that adds up to All-NBA potential. Meaning, instead of thinking he'd have zero chance to develop into a top 15 overall player, I now think he's got a small shot at it.
The scoring will go down as soon as the unsustainable conversion of three pointer stops. He's still shown nothing offensively outside of chucking threes. I mean, over that most recent streak, he's shot 40% from two, and  taken seven fewer two pointers than three pointers.

We're still on the stage where he's proving that he doesn't belong on the bench (also, not getting torched by Reggie Jackson would help with that).
I don't agree that his scoring will go down long term when his 3ball settles into a more sustainable level.  I think he has shown that he can score in a variety of ways.  As he gets more relaxed I think a lot more of his non-3ball shots will drop.  He's super intense and hyper on offense and I think that is a big factor in his low percentage of makes.

Long term I think his scoring will continue to go up as he takes more of the offensive load.  He is a dominant personality and plays so hard.  It doesn't seem too far fetched to me that he could score 18 or 19 points a game with good passing and amazing defense in a few years.  And that player would be awesome.

Re: this game put marcus in perspective
« Reply #62 on: February 04, 2016, 01:44:34 PM »

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Last seven games, 17-34 on threes.

Already knew he had All-Defensive potential.
Now it looks like he has All-NBA potential.
Time to change his status to Untouchable.
Let's not get carried away based on a hot streak, but he looks awesome.  Put the ball in his hands and watch his assists go way up too.

I hear what you're saying, I usually don't take small samples seriously, but this isn't so much a hot streak as a revelation that he's definitely not going to suck or be below average on offense. If he can already take 5 threes a game and hit 50 percent of them for seven games, then his shot isn't irreparably flawed and he's probably going to be able to hit them at a pretty good rate over the long haul. If he provides better than average offense plus his level of defense, that adds up to All-NBA potential. Meaning, instead of thinking he'd have zero chance to develop into a top 15 overall player, I now think he's got a small shot at it.
The scoring will go down as soon as the unsustainable conversion of three pointer stops. He's still shown nothing offensively outside of chucking threes. I mean, more than half of his shots are threes, and over the most recent hot streak, he's been converting 2s at a worse rate than 3s.

Sure, 50% on threes is "unsustainable," but so was below 20%.

He's most likely to settle in as an average to slightly above average three point shooter.

Young guards generally aren't known for their efficiency.  It must be remembered that Marcus is still only twenty-one years old. 

He's gonna be a good one.
Marcus is going to have to be better than average from the three point line if he is going to be great. Shooting 33 percent from 3 is ok for now but he's eventually going to need to get that close to 40.