Myles Turner should be a lesson to all

[Future Celtics Owner]

It would have been great to get him, but we can't throw games.  I just think nobody thought that Crowder and IT would be as good as they are and Danny was planning on picking there

Crowder and IT are not the problem. The problem was holding on to vets that were not gonna be in our future or even on the roster in the following season. The "depth" thing that is good in almost every other sport does not work in basketball unless you already have a couple stars. 3 wins from picking 5 spots better.
Bass, Jonas, Gigi at the least should have been waived at the deadline after we got IT.

[max215]

It's unlikely that Turner will ever be as good as KAT is now. Towns is freaking unbelievable. He's a once in a generation, transformative talent. Turner is a nice player, but he's the type of guy who you can find in most drafts these days (Poeltl).

You know of a lot of Big's that can block shots and spread the floor? Outside of this draft class, AD and Ibaka were the only ones last year. This year Hortford and idk....who else I don't think Bosh should be concidered. TP if you anyone can spout out an elite shot-blocker that spreads the floor.

Turner might eventually stretch the floor, but he has attempted exactly ZERO threes in his NBA career.

I never said he was an elite anything, but he has the ability to be and that does not come along in every draft class ala Jacob Poelt.

You said he can stretch the floor. Forget about being elite at stretching the floor, he doesn't stretch the floor AT ALL.

[Who]

Centers do not need to shoot three pointers to stretch the floor.

A center should have a short jump shot (10-12 footer). If he can hit a midrange shot (14-16 feet), that is a bonus. If he can hit a long two pointer (18-22 feet), that is a major advantage. A three pointer is icing on the cake.

Kevin Garnett did a very good job of stretching the floor for the Celtics while he was here by hitting long two point shots. Especially when he moved to the center position. Opposing centers did not want to go out there to defend and it opened up the paint for Rondo and Co. to get to the basket easier.

Myles Turner is the same type. 40% of his shot attempts have been long two point shots and he is hitting a large number of them (52%). He is creating space for his teammates. Over 60% of his offense is jump-shots and Turner is hitting 48% of them.He is a legitimate threat in the paint, short jump-shots, mid-range jump-shots and long two point jump shots.

[celticsclay]

He put up some numbers in a game they lost to a really bad team that was also missing their starting center. I think it says a lot about how great he is now that he plays behind jordan hill and ian mahimi (who on good teams would be second and third stringer center options). He could be good in the future, but wouldn't go nuts off one game of high stats. 

[CelticSooner]

I've had Turner on my fantasy team from the beginning of the season. He hasn't done anything close to what I expected. Nice player but doesn't get enough minutes right now.

[JBcat]

I understand what you're trying to say.  I really do.  You can sometime get lucky and draft a Pierce, Kobe, Dirk, or Paul George right around where Turner was drafted.

However the middle of the East was pretty weak last year, much weaker than this season.  The Nets of all teams got the 8th playoff seed!  2 teams including us made the playoffs under .500 whereas this season you might have a couple teams over .500 not make the playoffs.  To purposely cut bait with players to try and throw more games might not have worked.  Whose to say Ainge wasn't considering bringing back the likes of Gigi and Bass mid season.  If Ainge was able pull off that rumored trade with Hornets at the draft they might have been back, or if Amir Johnson wasn't available for us Bass could have very well been back with the team.

On paper what you're saying makes sense, but what message does it send to the rest of the players, and to the coaches, and potential free agents if you just cut Brandon Bass post trade deadline who really wanted to be here with the rest of the team to make a strong push to the playoffs.  I am fine with what we did.

If Turner somehow becomes a perennial all star like the guys I mentioned maybe I'll eat my words someday.

[Future Celtics Owner]

I understand what you're trying to say.  I really do.  You can sometime get lucky and draft a Pierce, Kobe, Dirk, or Paul George right around where Turner was drafted.

However the middle of the East was pretty weak last year, much weaker than this season.  The Nets of all teams got the 8th playoff seed!  2 teams including us made the playoffs under .500 whereas this season you might have a couple teams over .500 not make the playoffs.  To purposely cut bait with players to try and throw more games might not have worked.  Whose to say Ainge wasn't considering bringing back the likes of Gigi and Bass mid season.  If Ainge was able pull off that rumored trade with Hornets at the draft they might have been back, or if Amir Johnson wasn't available for us Bass could have very well been back with the team.

On paper what you're saying makes sense, but what message does it send to the rest of the players, and to the coaches, and potential free agents if you just cut Brandon Bass post trade deadline who really wanted to be here with the rest of the team to make a strong push to the playoffs.  I am fine with what we did.

If Turner somehow becomes a perennial all star like the guys I mentioned maybe I'll eat my words someday.

Myles Turner is not the point. Keeping vets and not developing players and clogging the roster only to be bounced in the playoffs is the point. Your fine with it....I'm not. We have no star and we may not even make the playoffs this year.

We need to draft in the right place because this will keep happening and we will be on a treadmill.

[Future Celtics Owner]

It's unlikely that Turner will ever be as good as KAT is now. Towns is freaking unbelievable. He's a once in a generation, transformative talent. Turner is a nice player, but he's the type of guy who you can find in most drafts these days (Poeltl).

Then why was he not ranked ahead of the likes of: Okafor, Cliff Alexander, Kelley Oubre, Mudiay,Stanley J, WCS, and even Mario; even after he won Gatorage HS Player of the Year? Rumors about bad knees most likely.

At this point last year many on this blog rated WCS higher than Towns.....and people from CB and even the National media had Okafor as the "once in a generational talent".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiWw8W8oyW4
Here is a video from KAT's jr year of hs.(really sr year because he skipped to graduate early) Tell me where were you when this was being spread around CB? Or when we posted his play for the Dominican Team, or when UK played the Dominican Team for UK's pre-season? Or where were you during the Big Men Skills Camp when he was there as a soph and competed and did very very well against the likes of Joel Embiid, Cliff, Okafor?

[Bucketgetter]

I understand what you're trying to say.  I really do.  You can sometime get lucky and draft a Pierce, Kobe, Dirk, or Paul George right around where Turner was drafted.

However the middle of the East was pretty weak last year, much weaker than this season.  The Nets of all teams got the 8th playoff seed!  2 teams including us made the playoffs under .500 whereas this season you might have a couple teams over .500 not make the playoffs.  To purposely cut bait with players to try and throw more games might not have worked.  Whose to say Ainge wasn't considering bringing back the likes of Gigi and Bass mid season.  If Ainge was able pull off that rumored trade with Hornets at the draft they might have been back, or if Amir Johnson wasn't available for us Bass could have very well been back with the team.

On paper what you're saying makes sense, but what message does it send to the rest of the players, and to the coaches, and potential free agents if you just cut Brandon Bass post trade deadline who really wanted to be here with the rest of the team to make a strong push to the playoffs.  I am fine with what we did.

If Turner somehow becomes a perennial all star like the guys I mentioned maybe I'll eat my words someday.

Myles Turner is not the point. Keeping vets and not developing players and clogging the roster only to be bounced in the playoffs is the point. Your fine with it....I'm not. We have no star and we may not even make the playoffs this year.

We need to draft in the right place because this will keep happening and we will be on a treadmill.

If YOU'RE not fine with it, then stop watching the games. Otherwise, shut up and stop making these threads.

[Future Celtics Owner]

I understand what you're trying to say.  I really do.  You can sometime get lucky and draft a Pierce, Kobe, Dirk, or Paul George right around where Turner was drafted.

However the middle of the East was pretty weak last year, much weaker than this season.  The Nets of all teams got the 8th playoff seed!  2 teams including us made the playoffs under .500 whereas this season you might have a couple teams over .500 not make the playoffs.  To purposely cut bait with players to try and throw more games might not have worked.  Whose to say Ainge wasn't considering bringing back the likes of Gigi and Bass mid season.  If Ainge was able pull off that rumored trade with Hornets at the draft they might have been back, or if Amir Johnson wasn't available for us Bass could have very well been back with the team.

On paper what you're saying makes sense, but what message does it send to the rest of the players, and to the coaches, and potential free agents if you just cut Brandon Bass post trade deadline who really wanted to be here with the rest of the team to make a strong push to the playoffs.  I am fine with what we did.

If Turner somehow becomes a perennial all star like the guys I mentioned maybe I'll eat my words someday.

Myles Turner is not the point. Keeping vets and not developing players and clogging the roster only to be bounced in the playoffs is the point. Your fine with it....I'm not. We have no star and we may not even make the playoffs this year.

We need to draft in the right place because this will keep happening and we will be on a treadmill.

If YOU'RE not fine with it, then stop watching the games. Otherwise, shut up and stop making these threads.

This is the first thread I've made in months. You prove a solid point about the group-think and bullying that goes on here by stating wrong facts about me and I'm sure you got that from another poster on this thread, which shows how you get informed......no evidence, no studying,  and def no fact checking.

Pointing out grammar mistakes, giving ultimatums, and telling me to "shut up" and "stop posting" is against the rules on CB. Other or newer posters have been put down in similar fashion recently. Though you should be fine because many posters engage in this and do not get warnings, which I do not think you should get a warning because other posters have done worse like bullying a new poster and essentially calling him a retard. After that I have a hard time not calling these posters out based on evidence or facts.......they don't like evidence or facts.

Also the only way you can get me to stop posting/ voicing a marginalized yet existing point of view is to kill me. I find many people share the same views as I do, but they are beat down or intimidated by posters like you.

CB IMO is made up of like 5% posters, maybe less, the rest are guests and hardcore fans ......they just do not post. It's a responsibility to voice logical and evidence based solutions so we can become a dynasty again, even if they are not popular. Look at the posters that say Myles Turner is a guy that we could get in any draft, or that he can't shoot, or that he needs years until he can be a backup. But if you look at the evidence and facts then you should come to a dif conclusion.

Some posters do not like me bringing up Turner, or trade ideas for him, but I do not like when these same posters throw reality based evidence/facts right out the window.

[Future Celtics Owner]

I've had Turner on my fantasy team from the beginning of the season. He hasn't done anything close to what I expected. Nice player but doesn't get enough minutes right now.

He's doing better now. I picked him up a bit ago and he's doing fine but needs to work on rebounding. He's only 19 though and still has to get more polished so I'm not gonna say too many bad things.
He's shooting the ball great and super smooth and quick.....love it.

[Bucketgetter]

I understand what you're trying to say.  I really do.  You can sometime get lucky and draft a Pierce, Kobe, Dirk, or Paul George right around where Turner was drafted.

However the middle of the East was pretty weak last year, much weaker than this season.  The Nets of all teams got the 8th playoff seed!  2 teams including us made the playoffs under .500 whereas this season you might have a couple teams over .500 not make the playoffs.  To purposely cut bait with players to try and throw more games might not have worked.  Whose to say Ainge wasn't considering bringing back the likes of Gigi and Bass mid season.  If Ainge was able pull off that rumored trade with Hornets at the draft they might have been back, or if Amir Johnson wasn't available for us Bass could have very well been back with the team.

On paper what you're saying makes sense, but what message does it send to the rest of the players, and to the coaches, and potential free agents if you just cut Brandon Bass post trade deadline who really wanted to be here with the rest of the team to make a strong push to the playoffs.  I am fine with what we did.

If Turner somehow becomes a perennial all star like the guys I mentioned maybe I'll eat my words someday.

Myles Turner is not the point. Keeping vets and not developing players and clogging the roster only to be bounced in the playoffs is the point. Your fine with it....I'm not. We have no star and we may not even make the playoffs this year.

We need to draft in the right place because this will keep happening and we will be on a treadmill.

If YOU'RE not fine with it, then stop watching the games. Otherwise, shut up and stop making these threads.

This is the first thread I've made in months. You prove a solid point about the group-think and bullying that goes on here by stating wrong facts about me and I'm sure you got that from another poster on this thread, which shows how you get informed......no evidence, no studying,  and def no fact checking.

Pointing out grammar mistakes, giving ultimatums, and telling me to "shut up" and "stop posting" is against the rules on CB. Other or newer posters have been put down in similar fashion recently. Though you should be fine because many posters engage in this and do not get warnings, which I do not think you should get a warning because other posters have done worse like bullying a new poster and essentially calling him a retard. After that I have a hard time not calling these posters out based on evidence or facts.......they don't like evidence or facts.

Also the only way you can get me to stop posting/ voicing a marginalized yet existing point of view is to kill me. I find many people share the same views as I do, but they are beat down or intimidated by posters like you.

CB IMO is made up of like 5% posters, maybe less, the rest are guests and hardcore fans ......they just do not post. It's a responsibility to voice logical and evidence based solutions so we can become a dynasty again, even if they are not popular. Look at the posters that say Myles Turner is a guy that we could get in any draft, or that he can't shoot, or that he needs years until he can be a backup. But if you look at the evidence and facts then you should come to a dif conclusion.

Some posters do not like me bringing up Turner, or trade ideas for him, but I do not like when these same posters throw reality based evidence/facts right out the window.

No I didn't get it from another poster on this thread, because I have argued with you before about your obsessive love for Myles Turner and your longing for the celtics to purposefully lose games. Maybe YOU should do some fact checking and go back and look at your posts. And your reality based evidence is purely speculation that Myles Turner can be an elite floor spacer given that he hasn't made a 3 yet in the NBA and shot 27% from 3 in college.