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We have 8 draft picks, say we keep 5, who do you want?
« on: January 15, 2016, 01:30:35 PM »

Offline ThePoeticWolf

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I'm just taking a guess we're going to try to trade away at least 3 of our draft picks.  This college season has been interesting with the talent, some freshman to senior that all look like they could be impact players.  So my question is say you have 5 draft picks, roughly where we fall in the draft.  I don't want to see we draft Simmons, Ingram, Brown with 3 of your picks.  I'm guessing if we get the 1st pick in the draft the "normal" pick is Ben Simmons, so now you have 4 picks.  The picks I'm using are from http://www.nbadraft.net/2016mock_draft give or take on some players where I think they can go.  I'm interested in seeing what people think of this years draft.  These are the picks I'm keeping. 

#1 - Ben Simmons if we get the #1 if we get the #3 I agree on taking Jaylen Brown

#13 - Diamond Stone, A 6'10 center/power forward showing a lot of promise as a freshman.  He's reminding me of a better version of Perkins with more of an offensive game.  They have him going at 17 but I'd be willing to take him earlier being a combo power forward/center.  Becomes the replacement for Lee, Zeller maybe Sully if we don't resign, or Johnson if we let him walk.  I personally want to resign Sully our of these bigs.

#20 - Damian Jones, a traditional center and been so much fun to watch the couple games I've caught.  I believe has the chance to be a center piece of a defense in the NBA, can't speak highly enough.  I'd take him at 13 but Stone they're saying is higher so I move him up to the 13th pick.  They say Jones is looking to be taken at 18 by the Magic but I don't see them taking a center this high in the draft with other needs.  So I'd be hoping he'd fall to 20th. 

#31 - Trade

#35 - Taurean Prince, this kid reminds me of a Jae Crowder and a defensive minded small forward/shooting guard.  Plus I like the fact he's a senior so he's had more time to develop his game and more likely to be NBA ready.

#50 - Trade

#51 - Marcus Paige, I've never been a fan of Terry Rozier so I'd be wanting to trade him to someone before the draft to draft Paige.  He's a senior and when been on the court he looks like a true point guard wanting to pass first but can score at will. 

#58 - Trade

If I did take Damian Jones at #13 instead of Diamond Stone, and kept the #20 pick I'd be taking Denzel Valentine at #20.

Re: We have 8 draft picks, say we keep 5, who do you want?
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2016, 01:32:09 PM »

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I wouldn't trade all of those second rounders, I'd use them on draft and stash guys.

If Danny ends up using a lot of the players currently on the team in major trades, we're gonna want to have draft-and-stash guys in our back pocket to replenish the roster.

Using our current draft position, this is who I'd take:


3. Dragan Bender . . . gotta go with upside here

14. Timothy Luwawu . . . 3 and D prospect who could be stashed

20. Caris LeVert . . . another wing prospect, steal if he can stay healthy


In this situation I'd love to see if Danny could use some of those second rounders plus #14 and #20 to move up a few spots from #14 and take another quality big man prospect like Ellenson, Rabb, or Poeltl.


Imagine heading into next season with Bender and Poeltl on the roster, plus Mickey, Olynyk, and maybe one of Jerebko, Zeller, or Sullinger.  That's a young frontcourt I could feel good about.
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Re: We have 8 draft picks, say we keep 5, who do you want?
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2016, 01:35:03 PM »

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I wouldn't trade all of those second rounders, I'd use them on draft and stash guys.

If Danny ends up using a lot of the players currently on the team in major trades, we're gonna want to have draft-and-stash guys in our back pocket to replenish the roster.

Fair enough.  I always forget about stashing players over seas.  Who would you like to see in the draft?

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« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2016, 01:38:12 PM »

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If Danny ended up taking both Bender and Luwawu with our first two picks in this draft, that'd pretty much shut up the talk that he doesn't draft Euros, too, which would be fun.


What do I think Danny would actually do with these picks?

3. Jaylen Brown . . . undersized shooting deficient wing w/ NBA-ready body

14. Damion Jones . . . upperclassman big man with no clear position

20. Nigel Hayes . . . upperclassman combo forward with no clear position
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« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2016, 01:42:37 PM »

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Sorry you posted it as I was writing.

Re: We have 8 draft picks, say we keep 5, who do you want?
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2016, 01:51:34 PM »

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Nets 1-5 Simmons, Ingram, Lab, Brown or trade it.

C's 12-17 Korkmaz, Hield, Stone, Daillo, Rabb

Dallas pick trade it for an upgrade to roster.

Philly pick Onuaku

Wolves pick take Hammons

I have no problem going all bigs or adding 3pt shooting at SG/SF.






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« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2016, 01:59:03 PM »

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Five guys who can score a lot, and consistently—whether that's at the rim, in the post, or from long distance, I don't care, just get some guys who can put up points.
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hard to gauge without know if those 3 picks you're proposing to be traded upgrade our other draft positions this year.

I suspect that IF 3 picks were dealt to improve our eventual positions, it'll be the worse of the C's/Dallas picks, the Philly second and the Minny second.  Depending where the better of the C's/Dallas pick ends up, I could see those 3 being used to bump that pick up a bit.  Say #14 + #17 to get to #10.   I think it'll be a bit easier this year to move up than last year since the dropoff after the top prospects happens sooner than last year.

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« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2016, 02:29:46 PM »

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I'd like to see us get Bender at 3, some picks consolidated plus maybe Smart to pick up Dunn at 5 or 6, then in the second round I like Domantas Sabonis, Nigel Hayes, and Gary Payton II.

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« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2016, 02:32:23 PM »

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I'd keep all eight.

3rd. Jaylen Brown

15ish - Dwayne Bacon

20ish - Stephen Zimmerman

31st - Malik Newman (if he slips)

35th - Juan Hernangomez (Draft and Stash)

50th - Zhou Qi (Draft and Stash)

51st - Danilo Fuzaro (Draft and Stash)

58th - Zach Auguste (Local kid - Draft and Stash ala Marcus Thornton in Australia)

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« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2016, 02:33:16 PM »

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Five guys who can score a lot, and consistently—whether that's at the rim, in the post, or from long distance, I don't care, just get some guys who can put up points.

You'll get 5 guys with no defined NBA position who do lots of little things to help a team win without having the talent to actually score consistently or create matchup problems for opponents, and you'll like it!
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Five guys who can score a lot, and consistently—whether that's at the rim, in the post, or from long distance, I don't care, just get some guys who can put up points.

You'll get 5 guys with no defined NBA position who do lots of little things to help a team win without having the talent to actually score consistently or create matchup problems for opponents, and you'll like it!
Your idea about needing a defined NBA position is antiquated imo. Even our own coach doesn't use the traditional positions.

In today's NBA versatility is paramount not fitting into specific position archetypes. With defense that rely more fitting a specific mold for a position is getting less and less important.

If you are referring to the 5 players listed in the OP, then I have some questions for you.

What does it matter if Simmons doesn't have an NBA position? He will be able to guard 4's and 3's, while providing ball handling, rebounding and a great option rolling to the hoop.

I don't agree that Stone and James doesn't have defined positions. They are both centers imo.

Prince is a guy who can guard multiple positions and hit 3's. Paige is a combo guard who should be able to guard both guard spots once he develops.

Btw Bender (provided we don't get Simmons or Ingram) , and Luwawu is the guys I hope we look at too. With the other pick I'd want a shooter like Valentine, or Heild or a big like Stone, or  Jones, so we pretty much agree on that.
 
I apologize if those weren't the players you/he were referring too.
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Re: We have 8 draft picks, say we keep 5, who do you want?
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2016, 03:16:30 PM »

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I am really starting to think the draft looks like this:

1. Simmons

small gap

2. Ingram

Huge Gap

3a.) Bender

3b.) Dunn

Gap

5.) Jaylen Brown

Gap: note: anybody in this category could slide to 12

6.) Labissiere

7.) Poeltl

8.) Murray

9.) Ellenson

10.) Ivan Rabb

Gap

11.) Diamond Stone

Large Gap

12.) Demetrius Jackson

13.) Wade Baldwin

14.) Furkan Korkmaz

Large Gap

Anyone after this looks very unappealing compared to the top 11.  There will probably be one really good player in this group because they're hard to scout.  I'm starting to hope we miss the playoffs again and that one of the 6-10 guys there falls to us.  They all look like starters to me.

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« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2016, 03:23:16 PM »

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Five guys who can score a lot, and consistently—whether that's at the rim, in the post, or from long distance, I don't care, just get some guys who can put up points.

You'll get 5 guys with no defined NBA position who do lots of little things to help a team win without having the talent to actually score consistently or create matchup problems for opponents, and you'll like it!

LOL. TP.

I guess that's pretty much how it is with Danny, huh? "Combo" guards who really can't play the point, but they can't score much either. Or "bigs" who are only 6-9 but can't really score or rebound or block shots.

Five guys who can score a lot, and consistently—whether that's at the rim, in the post, or from long distance, I don't care, just get some guys who can put up points.

You'll get 5 guys with no defined NBA position who do lots of little things to help a team win without having the talent to actually score consistently or create matchup problems for opponents, and you'll like it!

Your idea about needing a defined NBA position is antiquated imo. Even our own coach doesn't use the traditional positions.

In today's NBA versatility is paramount not fitting into specific position archetypes. With defense that rely more fitting a specific mold for a position is getting less and less important.

There's nothing wrong with versatility—in fact, I like having guys who can play multiple positions on offense and/or defense; further, I think it's a must in today's NBA.

But I also don't see anything wrong with having a traditional post player—6-11, 7 feet, great with his back to the basket—or a traditional shooting guard—6-4 to 6-7, great long-range shooter—or a traditional anything else.

It's fine to be a "jack of all trades, master of none," but I think coaches and players sometimes overthink the whole "versatility" thing to the point where certain players aren't even "jack of all trades, master of none," but more like "jack of one thing, maybe two, less than average at everything else."

Like Avery Bradley, for example. He was initially really good at only one thing—defense; since then he's become a pretty good shooter, but he's still below average at dribbling, passing, driving, and rebounding, and I think it can even be reasonably argued that his defense has suffered somewhat from his increased focus on shooting.

Versatility is great if it's natural; otherwise, I think you get players who might be pretty athletic but are particularly good at only one or two things and a liability in many other areas.
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« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2016, 04:00:01 PM »

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I would take best player available regardless of position for all the picks.
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