What's your best offer for Middleton?

[CroCorvus]

I like Middleton and would be great to get him, but the price would be sky high. He is their  cornerstone player and they love him there. But, they are playing like crap way below their possibilities and expectations, so it could be some way we could pry him or Jabari.

[Celtics4ever]

I would not mind having him but JC has been solid and I do not think it is a position of need.   We could use the go to scorer.   I am hoping Ainge gets a big who can score.

Any decent  bigs from the 2012 draft who are not going to resign with their team?  That we could target, I am not enamored of Crowder playing the four.

[timriffic]

bucks need   a better defender than monroe , he has been a bad fit there. So lets expand this trade.
middleton, Monroe
for  amir , AB, sully, and celtics dallas 1st and philly 2nd
and whatever stocking stuffers to  make the #'s work

[timriffic]

ran it thru trade checker and  celtics include Lee and this deals works ,  overall i think both teams improve

[obnoxiousmime]

Middleton is their only good shooter so it's not going to happen. I think they'd consider dealing Parker, but there's really no rush for them to do so now. If you offered them a PG with the same potential/value as Parker and who can shoot, maybe they'd do it. Someone like Isaiah, for instance, though I wonder if Kidd prefers his PGs bigger and stronger like MCW.

They don't really need to sell players to tank, so I expect them to continue as is and make moves in the offseason.

[chilidawg]

I'd give up Bradley or Sullinger and a mid first in a heartbeat.  Maybe two firsts.  Not sure why Milwaukee would want to give up their best player though.

[ssspence]

Parker isn't playing too good but has a lot of potential as well.  I think Parker just needs to be let loose himself. On a team like ours where he could be a go to guy I think he would flourish.

Parker is basically playing out of position and not being used to his strengths.   I think they should make a trade at some point.  There's two teams that have an overload of quality SF prospects... Bucks and Orlando.  It'll be interesting to see if either team makes a trade in the next couple months.

What position does Parker play in the NBA?

[Csfan1984]

I do think it's better for Bucks to trade Parker but that would probably take us doing a lot more pieces and taking a big risk for us. Say IT, AB, Sully, Dallas and Wolves picks for Parker, Henson and Vasquez. They get really big changes for a better starting lineup. C"s make a move and play really big? Without IT and AB they say no but giving them up kills C's shooting..
Bucks
S= IT, AB, Middelton, GA, Monroe (Great starters)
B= MCW, Bayless, Sully, Plum (Better bench w/ Sully and MCW off it)

C's
S= Smart, Crowder, Parker, AJ, KO (C's play big)
B= Turner, JJ, Henson, Zeller (again C's are now Big)
R=Rozier, Hunter, Young, Mickey, Vaz

Three more things
-I dont think Noel for Parker is a possible direction as they already have Henson. Lower D but is still considered very good paint defense and he has better O.
-AJ is still on a two year, and Parker maybe OK at the 4 given time. This means flexibility in draft so Simmons, Lab, Ingram or Brown all good fits still.
-C's outside shooting will be very rough but they should out rebound any team playing so big. If you believe Crowder is for real scoring and Smart plus Parker will better their shots, do the deal.

[Ilikesports17]

Parker isn't playing too good but has a lot of potential as well.  I think Parker just needs to be let loose himself. On a team like ours where he could be a go to guy I think he would flourish.

Parker is basically playing out of position and not being used to his strengths.   I think they should make a trade at some point.  There's two teams that have an overload of quality SF prospects... Bucks and Orlando.  It'll be interesting to see if either team makes a trade in the next couple months.

Agreed, I dont see the Bucks putting Middleton or GA on the block, but this blogs convinced me that Jabari is gettable and I could certainly see any of the Orlando Wings becoming available including  Hezonja, Gordon, and Harris.

All guys wed have to at least look into.

I also firmly believe that if Parker hits the block he needs to become a priority and one that is above winning this year.

[Ilikesports17]

I do think it's better for Bucks to trade Parker but that would probably take us doing a lot more pieces and taking a big risk for us. Say IT, AB, Sully, Dallas and Wolves picks for Parker, Henson and Vasquez. They get really big changes for a better starting lineup. C"s make a move and play really big? Without IT and AB they say no but giving them up kills C's shooting..
Bucks
S= IT, AB, Middelton, GA, Monroe (Great starters)
B= MCW, Bayless, Sully, Plum (Better bench w/ Sully and MCW off it)

C's
S= Smart, Crowder, Parker, AJ, KO (C's play big)
B= Turner, JJ, Henson, Zeller (again C's are now Big)
R=Rozier, Hunter, Young, Mickey, Vaz

Three more things
-I dont think Noel for Parker is a possible direction as they already have Henson. Lower D but is still considered very good paint defense and he has better O.
-AJ is still on a two year, and Parker maybe OK still at the 4 given time means flexibility in draft. Simmons, Lab, Ingram or Brown all good fits still.
-C's outside shooting will be very rough but they should out rebound any team playing so big. If you believe Crowder is for really scoring and Smart plus Parker will better their shots, do the deal.

Problem with the hypothetical Parker for a Philly big is that none of the Philly bigs outside of Maybe Embiid fit with Monroe at all.

I mean Noel is a bit like Drummond in that his offense is limited to stuff around the basket and his primary strength is as a center on D. That combo already didnt work because Monroe cant defend PFs and cant shoot at all.

Now Okafor is even worse, because now neither of your 2 best bigs can play D and neither stretch the floor at all.

If we could get Parker I think the cost would be something like you outlined. However I dont see Milwakee being too excited to give up Henson. So Id restrict the trade to Vasquez + Paker for IT + AB and maybe just maybe a pick.

Now your problem is at the SF. Now probably our best player and our best SF play the same position. I dont think Crowder can play the 2 and we know that Parker cant really play the 4 for extended periods. So what you would have to do is basically clear out the 3, so those 2 guys take nearly all 48 minutes there (bye bye Turner) and then give them each time at the 4 in small ball lineups.

Ultimately I think Parker can play the 4 in the new NBA provided he is asked to do mostly SF things. In the end Id trust Brad to make the Parker-Crowder thing work.

Unfortunately the prizes in the draft:
Simmons, Ingram, lets even extend to Brown, Dunn, and say Labisierre and Bender

dont jump out as the type that fill those holes.

[Csfan1984]

I do think it's better for Bucks to trade Parker but that would probably take us doing a lot more pieces and taking a big risk for us. Say IT, AB, Sully, Dallas and Wolves picks for Parker, Henson and Vasquez. They get really big changes for a better starting lineup. C"s make a move and play really big? Without IT and AB they say no but giving them up kills C's shooting..
Bucks
S= IT, AB, Middelton, GA, Monroe (Great starters)
B= MCW, Bayless, Sully, Plum (Better bench w/ Sully and MCW off it)

C's
S= Smart, Crowder, Parker, AJ, KO (C's play big)
B= Turner, JJ, Henson, Zeller (again C's are now Big)
R=Rozier, Hunter, Young, Mickey, Vaz

Three more things
-I dont think Noel for Parker is a possible direction as they already have Henson. Lower D but is still considered very good paint defense and he has better O.
-AJ is still on a two year, and Parker maybe OK still at the 4 given time means flexibility in draft. Simmons, Lab, Ingram or Brown all good fits still.
-C's outside shooting will be very rough but they should out rebound any team playing so big. If you believe Crowder is for really scoring and Smart plus Parker will better their shots, do the deal.

Problem with the hypothetical Parker for a Philly big is that none of the Philly bigs outside of Maybe Embiid fit with Monroe at all.

I mean Noel is a bit like Drummond in that his offense is limited to stuff around the basket and his primary strength is as a center on D. That combo already didnt work because Monroe cant defend PFs and cant shoot at all.

Now Okafor is even worse, because now neither of your 2 best bigs can play D and neither stretch the floor at all.

If we could get Parker I think the cost would be something like you outlined.

Agreed. I was thinking the same in terms of fits. Would Bucks go further in looking for rotation fits by demanding KO over Sully? Would that kill C's too much to do IT, AB, KO, Dallas and Wolves picks for Parker, Vaz and Henson?

[Ilikesports17]

I do think it's better for Bucks to trade Parker but that would probably take us doing a lot more pieces and taking a big risk for us. Say IT, AB, Sully, Dallas and Wolves picks for Parker, Henson and Vasquez. They get really big changes for a better starting lineup. C"s make a move and play really big? Without IT and AB they say no but giving them up kills C's shooting..
Bucks
S= IT, AB, Middelton, GA, Monroe (Great starters)
B= MCW, Bayless, Sully, Plum (Better bench w/ Sully and MCW off it)

C's
S= Smart, Crowder, Parker, AJ, KO (C's play big)
B= Turner, JJ, Henson, Zeller (again C's are now Big)
R=Rozier, Hunter, Young, Mickey, Vaz

Three more things
-I dont think Noel for Parker is a possible direction as they already have Henson. Lower D but is still considered very good paint defense and he has better O.
-AJ is still on a two year, and Parker maybe OK still at the 4 given time means flexibility in draft. Simmons, Lab, Ingram or Brown all good fits still.
-C's outside shooting will be very rough but they should out rebound any team playing so big. If you believe Crowder is for really scoring and Smart plus Parker will better their shots, do the deal.

Problem with the hypothetical Parker for a Philly big is that none of the Philly bigs outside of Maybe Embiid fit with Monroe at all.

I mean Noel is a bit like Drummond in that his offense is limited to stuff around the basket and his primary strength is as a center on D. That combo already didnt work because Monroe cant defend PFs and cant shoot at all.

Now Okafor is even worse, because now neither of your 2 best bigs can play D and neither stretch the floor at all.

If we could get Parker I think the cost would be something like you outlined.

Agreed. I was thinking the same in terms of fits. Would Bucks go further in looking for rotation fits by demanding KO over Sully? Would that kill C's too much to do IT, AB, KO, Dallas and Wolves picks for Parker, Vaz and Henson?

Id be hesitant to do that deal. Definitely.

You have to consider it, but IT and AB is a really steep price in itself, then adding the first and a top 40 second and it really starts to be a trade where Parker has to become a star for it to be worth it, then also throwing in KO?

Its hard because I think Parker has star power and we really need that star scorer, so literally any deal that nets you him needs to be looked at carefully especially if you can keep smart and the Nets pick, but that is basically every thing valuable we have except for those two assets.

[greenrunsdeep41]

I feel like Sully, RJ, and two firsts would be the starting point for what I would want to give up. The only issue is that Middleton is the same type of guy the C's want James Young to evolve into. He has a similar skill set and with James only being 20 could easily turn into a similar player. Take a look at Khris' stat line from when he was 21- which James will be next year.

12-'13   
DET
27   0   17.6   2.3-5.2   .440   0.5-1.7   .311   1.0-1.2   .844   0.2   1.7   1.9   1.0   0.1   0.6   2.0   0.4   6.1

I dont think that this state line would be out of the question right now if James Young got more minutes and at a younger age.

The tough part about all of these debates is that we want to win now. At what point do we sit back and really enjoy the process. Does anyone else feel like it would be better to just sit back and enjoy the show (growth)?

[Csfan1984]

I suppose you do give up KO if Parker is star potential. But he has to be develop or its a bad trade. I could live with potential of a 5 of Smart, Crowder, Parker, Simmons and AJ. I could.

[LarBrd33]

bucks need   a better defender than monroe , he has been a bad fit there. So lets expand this trade.
middleton, Monroe
for  amir , AB, sully, and celtics dallas 1st and philly 2nd
and whatever stocking stuffers to  make the #'s work

That's their key problem... Monroe and Parker are their "bigs"... neither is a defender.  They are now 8 games under .500 this year because of it.   I don't really want Monroe either.  It's why it almost makes sense for the BUcks to go for Nerlens Noel with one of their SFs, but I don't know if Monroe can play PF next to Monroe.  They'd probably need to follow-up trade Monroe.

Honestly if I were them, I'd probably trade Monroe to the highest bidder...  And think real hard about trading Jabari Parker.     But your trade makes some sense as well... I think you'd have to include Lee's expiring as well.   

Either way, the Bucks shouldn't keep playing Parker like this.  He's playing out of position and isn't getting an opportunity to do what he can do.  Whoever has Parker should be giving him a chance to play through his mistakes and develop into a Carmelo Anthony type... not just sit around cutting to the basket for dunks.  He has SO MUCH talent, but it's clear that Middleton is their best offensive player right now.   I really think the BUcks need to make a decision at some point.  Also, am I the only one who thinks Giannis might be a tad overrated?  I wouldn't be shocked to see any one of those 3 guys (Middleton, Parker, Giannis) moved.