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shootin hoops in backyard
« on: December 29, 2015, 05:51:24 AM »

Offline rollie mass

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a recent post, it was said that his shooting hoops in backyard was not real basketball
i bet if you ask any pro they will say different,how many of us spent hours, starting as a little kid shootin hoops in backyard,playing horse,one on one
this was serious stuff back then and got quite heated,we shot till you couldn't see
 we  suffered sprained ankles,scrapes galore with hoops to high or low ,nets and no nets,shoveled off courts to play in freezing weather,walked miles to play with more than your neighbor or played all day in summer sun and as we or someone got to drive ,would go miles for a lighted court,-there were only a couple in boston area then
alone on a court practicing your jumper ,your pullup running through all your fakes,the sound of a solitary ball only wishing for somebody to compete with
here in england there are few outdoor courts and nobody on them and nobody with grey hair
one of my most tresured moments recently was the day before christmas eve in tenerife spain watching my kid playing 30n 3 on a lighted outdoor court surrounded by graffiti and christmas lights and you could hear the surf and it was getting late and a spanish kid walks up and asks to play-a little older but so quick and impressive -his name was angel
real basketball is played everywhere  from backyards to boston garden


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watching wyc the other night as excited as a kid cheering the celts and exhorting the crowd-red aurbache would have been proud
wyc,ainge and brad stevens and boston the best sports town in the world
my first post was about the real basketball and outdoor courts but remembering being at the foul line at old garden under all those banners in the  tech tourney only one thing was more frightening -- asking a girl to dance-we won
 this 16 yr old played under all those banners and then the next day and find my picture in center  front page of  globe sports section mid air in the paint scoring over outsrteched arms of several defenders-
this forum is a wonderfull space for us older fans that have held the priciples the celts inspired in sports
so celtspride the poster thanks

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The practice error I often seen made, is that people do not practice at game speed.   They dog it, when shooting hoops in the backyard.   Only when people practice at game speed does it help in a game.

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« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2015, 08:09:47 AM »

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i live in rural england near border of wales and just after posting took a walk to post office(part of rehab) and as i was handing over parcels i mentioned to the clerk i had seen her in baseball cap and sports jacket(really out of place here) and she looked like she was from boston-she replied yeh or a basketball court-turns out she plays and coaches a womens wheelchair basketball squad in Wales what are the odds of that-
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Nothing wrong with taking a few hundred shots in the backyard. Now playing pickup ball is probably pointless.
Once you are labeled 'the best' you want to stay up there, and you can't do it by loafing around.
 
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TP to Rollie for the great sentiment.

I spent the better part of my childhood and early adulthood engaged in the "pointless" activity of playing pick up ball.

The past-time of playing basketball has never given me anything of material value, but I wouldn't trade my life long love of the game for anything.
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tp and as the kids say respect,
 for time well spent-thanks
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 Tp, Rollie. Ah Love and basketball. Pick up games are not pointless. Growing up playing in the mean streets in Massachusetts games were rough and competitive.

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i live in rural england near border of wales and just after posting took a walk to post office(part of rehab) and as i was handing over parcels i mentioned to the clerk i had seen her in baseball cap and sports jacket(really out of place here) and she looked like she was from boston-she replied yeh or a basketball court-turns out she plays and coaches a womens wheelchair basketball squad in Wales what are the odds of that-

what football club do you support?

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tp and as the kids say respect,
 for time well spent-thanks

Rollie, where and when did you play in high school?  My Dad used to talk about Tech Tourney like it was the best, of course his high school (somerville) did pretty well usually.  Never really got to ask him any details before he passed but in his yearbook I think his senior memory quote was tech tourney related, 1956 I think? 

Thanks for sharing, I always enjoy your posts and your obvious love for basketball!

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tp and as the kids say respect,
 for time well spent-thanks

Rollie, where and when did you play in high school?  My Dad used to talk about Tech Tourney like it was the best, of course his high school (somerville) did pretty well usually.  Never really got to ask him any details before he passed but in his yearbook I think his senior memory quote was tech tourney related, 1956 I think? 

Thanks for sharing, I always enjoy your posts and your obvious love for basketball!
he said he is in england

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I've played primarily pick up since I started followng basketball in '09. When I play in organized games I can tell that my lack experience playing in a system frustrates certain team mates that expect me to be certain places or make certain switches.

But I'm also 6'3 with a 6'8 wingspan,(unofficially measures by my little bro)  in Mass on the courts I come across that makes me something between a defensive 3 and a mobile big man. I've still got the post game if I'm playing smaller teams but when I've  played in rec leagues where we had a 6'8 beast I was able to slide over to the 3 and stretch the floor with my developing corner 3.

Trying to find the right balance, but the thousands of jumpshots, drives and rebounding put back drills that I put up alone on my parents hoop have been anything but worthless.

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tp and as the kids say respect,
 for time well spent-thanks

Rollie, where and when did you play in high school?  My Dad used to talk about Tech Tourney like it was the best, of course his high school (somerville) did pretty well usually.  Never really got to ask him any details before he passed but in his yearbook I think his senior memory quote was tech tourney related, 1956 I think? 

Thanks for sharing, I always enjoy your posts and your obvious love for basketball!
i grew up in lexington and was coached by rollie massimino who later coached villanova to the biggest upsert of decades beating Ewing led georgtown undefeated for two years-he brought mean street new jersey basketball with him feriocius man to man help defence and team first he set up a powerhouse program that produced ronnie lee  an all american who played for phoenix
i was honorable mention all state in 1964 we won bay state tournament and we went to semi-final tech tourney 1965 lost by a point and wakefield won tech-we had been co middlesex champs with them and defeated each other once-it would have made for a great final-by the way someville played good ball-ringe tech produced some good players-i live now in chester england and have been here for a couple decades of great manchester united football-my son played premier league basketball a 6-5 point guard,my nephew was all state needham and his kid was one of top 30 in usa fab frosh camp in atlanta---------
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I've played primarily pick up since I started followng basketball in '09. When I play in organized games I can tell that my lack experience playing in a system frustrates certain team mates that expect me to be certain places or make certain switches.

But I'm also 6'3 with a 6'8 wingspan,(unofficially measures by my little bro)  in Mass on the courts I come across that makes me something between a defensive 3 and a mobile big man. I've still got the post game if I'm playing smaller teams but when I've  played in rec leagues where we had a 6'8 beast I was able to slide over to the 3 and stretch the floor with my developing corner 3.





tp for all those hours,thats quite a wingspan,my sons was huge and deceptive there were kids that had never been blocked that just couldn't see it coming or adjust to that skinny kid-rj is deceptive he has allready had numerous blocks from behind


Trying to find the right balance, but the thousands of jumpshots, drives and rebounding put back drills that I put up alone on my parents hoop have been anything but worthless.
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Yes, that was my comment. Thanks Rollie for sticking up for the basketball fans who played with friends or alone shooting the ball.

I never got into golf, but perhaps that is a good analogy. Lots of people love golf. If they can afford to play, they improve. Not only that, it has to heighten their enjoyment from watching the pros.

Hockey is another sport which I missed out on because it would cost too much money to participate. Basketball is free, like you said. We didn't mind if there was no net or if the rim was too high or low. Heck, I used to simulate basketball with a rolled up sock and a waste basket.

It helps to understand the game even when never having been involved in high school. I did get in one year in a rec league probably around age 12. That was exciting. To be in uniform and get sent in and wait by the scorer's table. On the court, you could really feel the tension if you weren't advanced or tall enough to just get by on physical advantage.

I learned how to get by on my natural abilities. There is a reason why I root for the Phil Pressey's and Isaiah's. They are the players I would have been most like if by chance I kept getting better.

You don't forget those things, even in the simulations we did as kids or with friends.

If everyone was average, then I could compete.

I remember one time I tried playing with what were to me the A team players. They were so good. I thought I was good, then I learned that it takes more than being able to shoot, run, and pass. It makes one a little bit more compassionate to young players such as Avery Bradley used to be and I reckon also with RJ Hunter, Young, even back to Pressey.

Hunter has all the tools. Bradley seemed to be a scrub. Now Avery just has to figure out how to pass the ball and we are all ready to go with one of the best shooting guards in the NBA.

I am not sure if James Young will ever make it. He is not as inept as Fab Melo was, but he seems to have a lot more work to do than Avery needed.

When I was in that A type pick up game, I just tried to not make any mistakes or get in the way of players who really had the stuff.

Thanks again Rollie for sticking up for the layman basketball fan. I do remember the Villanova upset over Georgetown. That was a great win for the little man.

Something changed in Avery Bradley starting last year. It seems to have been the same challenge Young and Hunter must overcome. In my prime, I could hit 80% free throws and once I hit 50 threes out of 100. But there was no defense. It was just me.

So maybe I have been wrong to discount James Young's chances. As awkward as he looked and RJ also with their jump shots, I am pretty sure they did what I did with even better numbers and could do it every day of the week, unlike myself who basically hit a nice groove.

I had other times in the backyard where I was nailing jump shots like Avery when he is on fire. I truly appreciate the NBA players who never give up and prove us wrong when we refer to them as scrubs. I used to think Avery was a scrub. I was very wrong.

Evan Turner is no good at shooting unless he is about 15 feet away. Amir is good at threes, but only if he has a half hour to set his feet and overthink whether to shoot it or not. Those guys will never be great shooters. Amir's defense and overall game, though, is very good. Unfortunately, Danny might have picked him up a couple years too late.

Isaiah is the one I can't figure out. He shoots 90% on free throws and sometimes he is on fire for outside shooting. I wish he was more efficient with his jump shots. Though he makes up for it by getting to the free throw line very often.

Hopefully RJ can become a Ray Allen/Avery level jump shooter. Maybe he is just nervous. Maybe he picked up some bad habits in college where he was forced to ball hog and throw up shots that one probably shouldn't and it brought down his percentages.

Rondo.... maybe he is the true mystery. He improved with the midrange jumper. He actually got good at it. But then his free throw shooting got even worse. There is a lot going on in basketball. It is not always what it seems, e.g. when Avery looked like he didn't know how to shoot. He must have been nailing them in practice or I doubt Stevens would have kept forcing the issue of Avery as a go-to option.

There was that guy Dustin Pedroia on the Red Sox. Sorry, I know it's a different sport. Yet, it was similar in that he was truly awful and not many were appreciating Francona sticking it out with him.

Marcus Smarts' career will be very interesting. He is already a top defender. I think most players can get good at shooting and that's done by taking those easy 100's of shots with no one covering us.

It is amazing how much respect the C's are finally getting from around the league. I don't think anyone knows how the year will end. It's easy to say we will be first round and done or maybe win one series, but one never knows. The Pistons won a title without any superstars. It is rare, but if any team could do it, it would be us and especially if Danny can help out Brad by tweaking the roster here and there.

I recall Leon Powe, Big Baby, and even Sully helped us as rookies. I like that RJ Hunter is in the rotation because we will need his skills for the playoffs. I am not as hopeful that Rozier can figure it out this year, but I wouldn't mind Jordan Mickey getting an RJ Hunter type opportunity. Maybe I am wrong, but I think Mickey might be ready and would fit in much better to the way the team is evolving. I wish Sully would lose twenty more pounds and immediately. And here's hoping Amir can heal his feet. I doubt we have any chance in the playoffs unless he can figure that out.