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MIN/BOS Trade idea (KG not coming back)
« on: November 17, 2015, 11:51:30 AM »

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http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14149298/the-long-hard-road-redemption-plan-minnesota-starting-make-sense

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It's only a matter of time before the agents for Payne, Muhammad, Dieng and other young guys playing limited roles begin to pipe up.The Wolves have more prospects than they can realistically play as long as Garnett and Prince receive entitlement minutes. Minnesota has to resist the temptation to deal away future assets for a chance at a long-awaited playoff spot, but if they can conclude that guys such as Dieng and Muhammad aren't part of their core, they could look to package them for a mid-career veteran who could help now -- provided he's the right age, on the right kind of deal.

Maybe to entice Minny to let two young players we need (wing and rim protector), we can take on Pekovics contract:

Dieng, Muhammad, Pek

Lee, Sully, and a future 1st (not Nets)

They clear up space for FA's while still having money ready for Wiggins and Towns in 1-2 years. Sully gives them a good option at the 4 next to Towns to complete the youth lineup.

We take on a bad contract (as the cap rises) and get two positions we really need. Can trade/cut Turner to make more room too.

Smart, IT, Rozier
AB, RJH
Crowder, Muhammad
AJ, KO, Jerebko
Dieng, Zeller, Pekovic

Maybe not include Pek, but it wouldn't hurt to call and see what it might take to get the other two.
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« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2015, 11:54:01 AM »

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I think taking Pek is part of the enticement for the Wolves. Remove that, and things are less interesting for them.
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« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2015, 12:05:14 PM »

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Considering how well Sully has played, I'm not sure I wanna trade him and a 1st for Dieng or Shabazz, especially if we get stuck with Pek.

Is Pek in his last season with his contract?

Sullinger has played better than he has in his entire time here. I have no problem trading him, but I'd want to get back a little better of a prospect at one of our two positions of need if were gonna include him and a 1st.
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« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2015, 12:25:39 PM »

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Quote from: Lucky17 on November 17, 2015, 11:54:01 AM
I think taking Pek is part of the enticement for the Wolves. Remove that, and things are less interesting for them.

Considering we seem to not be a huge FA attraction, would he really tie up much money that could be used for someone else? My calculations earlier still gave us enough room for a max deal after this trade by Summer 2016.
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« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2015, 12:27:10 PM »

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Quote from: BDeCosta26 on November 17, 2015, 12:05:14 PM
Considering how well Sully has played, I'm not sure I wanna trade him and a 1st for Dieng or Shabazz, especially if we get stuck with Pek.

Is Pek in his last season with his contract?

Sullinger has played better than he has in his entire time here. I have no problem trading him, but I'd want to get back a little better of a prospect at one of our two positions of need if were gonna include him and a 1st.

Sully is playing great. The trade isn't to make room for other guys but to avoid the likely situation where he demands more than he really deserves and we let him walk for nothing in the summer to a team like Minny or even Philly who are all aboard the youth movement train.
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« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2015, 12:41:55 PM »

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Quote from: TheTruthFot18 on November 17, 2015, 12:25:39 PM
Quote from: Lucky17 on November 17, 2015, 11:54:01 AM
I think taking Pek is part of the enticement for the Wolves. Remove that, and things are less interesting for them.

Considering we seem to not be a huge FA attraction, would he really tie up much money that could be used for someone else? My calculations earlier still gave us enough room for a max deal after this trade by Summer 2016.

Question is whether you want to invest $36 mil over this current and the following two seasons in a big man with a chronic foot problem.
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« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2015, 12:48:05 PM »

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Quote from: Lucky17 on November 17, 2015, 12:41:55 PM
Quote from: TheTruthFot18 on November 17, 2015, 12:25:39 PM
Quote from: Lucky17 on November 17, 2015, 11:54:01 AM
I think taking Pek is part of the enticement for the Wolves. Remove that, and things are less interesting for them.

Considering we seem to not be a huge FA attraction, would he really tie up much money that could be used for someone else? My calculations earlier still gave us enough room for a max deal after this trade by Summer 2016.

Question is whether you want to invest $36 mil over this current and the following two seasons in a big man with a chronic foot problem.

I meant for that to be implied in my trade offer. The attraction is getting quality players at spots we need without giving up any of our young assets on good contracts or any of the valuable picks.

I don't know how contracts and trades work but maybe we could wait until summer to see what the free agent scene looks like. Sully would have to be a sign and trade then.
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« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2015, 12:50:13 PM »

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I disagree thst we need much help on the wing. Crowder is good and JJ is good for his small role. When one of the 2 of them is on the court good things happen for us.
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« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2015, 12:59:50 PM »

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TWolves say no. Why would they swap Dieng, who can't get playing time as a big, for Sullinger, also a big, and then throw in a good wing prospect in Muhammad for a "meh" 1st + the relieving of a contract when the TWolves won't be bringing in a big FA target for some time, if ever? Moving bad contracts has a lot of value to LA, Chicago, New York. It doesn't have as much value for Minnesota.
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Re: MIN/BOS Trade idea (KG not coming back)
« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2015, 01:50:24 PM »

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Quote from: TheFlex on November 17, 2015, 12:59:50 PM
TWolves say no. Why would they swap Dieng, who can't get playing time as a big, for Sullinger, also a big, and then throw in a good wing prospect in Muhammad for a "meh" 1st + the relieving of a contract when the TWolves won't be bringing in a big FA target for some time, if ever? Moving bad contracts has a lot of value to LA, Chicago, New York. It doesn't have as much value for Minnesota.

I would think it's the other way around. LA, Chicago, NY can afford to hold big contracts, smaller markets cannot afford to have players on big contracts not cracking the rotation.
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« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2015, 02:05:03 PM »

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Would love Dieng - he may not be our next future superstar, but he is a very good defensive player and can certainly score around the rim. I am not sure what it would take to get him - Turner, Zeller, and a 2nd? That sounds like too much to me, but both of our guys going out are expiring while Dieng has an extra year on his contract. Those two would seem to help the Wolves playoff hopes.
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« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2015, 02:15:16 PM »

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Quote from: jambr380 on November 17, 2015, 02:05:03 PM
Would love Dieng - he may not be our next future superstar, but he is a very good defensive player and can certainly score around the rim. I am not sure what it would take to get him - Turner, Zeller, and a 2nd? That sounds like too much to me, but both of our guys going out are expiring while Dieng has an extra year on his contract. Those two would seem to help the Wolves playoff hopes.

This trade is based off my interest in Dieng. The article brought him up along with Muhammad so i thought they could both be had at the right price. Dieng seems to be very similar to Rudy Gobert and he seems to have taken off in Utah.
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« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2015, 02:28:34 PM »

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I like Dieng, but folks overrate him as a defender because he's got above average shot blocking numbers. Those don't properly represent his overall results.
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