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Re: Rajon Rondo and the State of the Kings
« Reply #30 on: November 08, 2015, 11:27:18 PM »

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This is what Rondo is now, post-injury:

12 pts, 8-9 ast, 4-5 reb, 1-2 stl, 40% / 30% / 40%

He's not hurting their pace, though.  Sac is top 5 in pace so far.


I'm glad to see him proving he can be a useful player in the NBA, still.  Also glad the Celts didn't give him a long term contract.

Unfortunately, 40/30/40 guy can't play pg for a good team.

Mike

Re: Rajon Rondo and the State of the Kings
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This is what Rondo is now, post-injury:

12 pts, 8-9 ast, 4-5 reb, 1-2 stl, 40% / 30% / 40%

He's not hurting their pace, though.  Sac is top 5 in pace so far.


I'm glad to see him proving he can be a useful player in the NBA, still.  Also glad the Celts didn't give him a long term contract.
excuse me. but doesnt sacramento currently have a w/l record of 1-6? where is rondo' usefulness here? i just dont see it right now.
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Re: Rajon Rondo and the State of the Kings
« Reply #32 on: November 09, 2015, 12:16:43 AM »

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This is what Rondo is now, post-injury:

12 pts, 8-9 ast, 4-5 reb, 1-2 stl, 40% / 30% / 40%

He's not hurting their pace, though.  Sac is top 5 in pace so far.


I'm glad to see him proving he can be a useful player in the NBA, still.  Also glad the Celts didn't give him a long term contract.


Unfortunately, 40/30/40 guy can't play pg for a good team.

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Re: Rajon Rondo and the State of the Kings
« Reply #33 on: November 09, 2015, 12:25:25 AM »

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It's been a tough past couple of seasons for Rondo, I'm glad he's finally found a spot where he fits in. I expect him to have a great 'revenge' game against Dallas when they meet.
Isn't the main difference between the two teams the fact that Dallas is all about winning and Sacto is used to being a bad team?

DAL is a winning team based off of the fact that they happened to catch lightning in a bottle with Dirk's last good year in the league (2011), and Tyson could still defend and rebound a little back then, too.

Plus, it helped that LeBron, Wade and Bosh couldn't replicate what BOS did in 2007-08.

Things fell into place for Dirk, and I'm glad about that.

As for Rajon Rondo I'll ALWAYS remember the Good Years in BOS and how he competed and played with like-minded players and coaching staff - not the mess in DAL where Cuban wanted to be the Great Miracle Worker.

Cuban should stick to Reality TV - along with Trump.

I agree regading Rondo.

For all of his current issues he has (and he does have a lot of them) I'll always remember the days in Boston - where he genuinely looked like one of the 3 or 4 top point guards in the NBA, and at some points even looked like arguably a top 10 player.

Rondo was basically a three point jumper away from being the next Jason Kidd: a pass-first, triple-double collecting extraordinaire.   That he was able to do the things he did at a measly 6'1" was might impressive.

It's unfortunate that he came into the league at a time where pure pass-first point guards are going out of fashion, in favor of high octane offensive combo guards parading as point guards.  If Rondo came into the league 5 years sooner, he'd probably still be impressing people.

The biggest problem with Rondo however, will always be his attitude.  His basketball IQ is off the charts, and is almost unmatched in this league - unfortunately it seems like he's had a tendency to let that get to his head, leading to a high degree of arrogance which in turn has caused him to butt heads with a lot of coaches and other players.

I've seen people like Rondo before, at the various places I've worked.  The young hotshot kid who is highly ambitious and extremely talented...but who's arrogance creates so many enemies that it holds him back from ever becoming / achieving what he should. 

Nobody likes those kids.  The ones who come in after a week in the organisation, and start telling the more experienced veterans how they should be doing things, talking back to managers, going out and trying to put changes in place without the right approvals, etc.  The "top guns" types.  Talent can get you a long way, but even great talent struggles to overcome great arrogance.

I just don't see him as being what you said - and I've never met him and probably never will.

His "warts" look a LOT bigger because DAL flamed out and HE (with his warts) was looked at to be the final piece. Even "I" thought it would work in DAL. Little did I know that Dirk was no where near the 2011 Dirk (nor a good defender EVER) nor was Tyson as effective as HE thought he was. It seemed fashionable to blame HIM and not the organization as well.

He evidently had these same supposed "warts" in BOS, too - right? I wonder why they did not seem so pronounced.....was it because KG (even in his twilight years) - defended(unlike Dirk)?

Was it because Paul Pierce - even NOW - is a better defender than Chandler Parsons? Heck, I'm talking about defense? Some of us here don't think he ever played DEFENSE in BOS.

I look at the totality of Rondo - just like I look at other players whom seemed gifted with more talent than he - but haven't achieved what Rondo has.

But these are just "MY" opinions and I won't deflect this Rondo-SAC thread any longer.

I believe SAC will be a better team this year and that it will work out for him, Boogie, Gay and Coach Karl.

I don't think Rondo's natural talent is as lacking as you suggest.

He might only be 6'1", but he has always been a freakish athletic with a freakish wingspan, and freakishly huge hands.  Those long arms are a bit reason why he was able to be such a great defender early in his career, those huge hands are a big reason why he was able to do so many crazy things with the ball, and his elite quickness/speed was a big reason why he was and to wreak so much havok constantly. 

Throw in his uncanny intangibles (basketball IQ, court vision, etc) and I think he's always been an incredibly gifted player.

Rondo has never been a natrual shooter, but that's really about the only thing he hasn't had going his way.

Also when I talk about mental concerns, i'm not even referring to his Dallas issues.  I'm referring to the apparent issues he had in Boston at times with various players - it just seems like he's the type who constantly gets on people's nerves. 

I absolutely admired his toughness and his scrappiness - full credit for that, and I think that's what earned him the respect of guys like Pierce and KG.  But he always came across as a bit of an **** to be honest.   

Anyhow, I think the Kings can;'t be judged (period) until Cousins returns.  He is statistically already one of the most impressive centers to ever play the game and is a true force.

I think it's clear Rondo will never be the player he once was, but I think he'll be a quality starter for many years to come if he plays on the right team. 

Re: Rajon Rondo and the State of the Kings
« Reply #34 on: November 09, 2015, 12:55:22 AM »

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This is what Rondo is now, post-injury:

12 pts, 8-9 ast, 4-5 reb, 1-2 stl, 40% / 30% / 40%

He's not hurting their pace, though.  Sac is top 5 in pace so far.


I'm glad to see him proving he can be a useful player in the NBA, still.  Also glad the Celts didn't give him a long term contract.


Unfortunately, 40/30/40 guy can't play pg for a good team.

Mike

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In the championship year, Rondo shot 49% from the field, 26% from three ( on only .2 attempts a game) and 61% from the line.

Mike

Re: Rajon Rondo and the State of the Kings
« Reply #35 on: November 09, 2015, 01:23:50 AM »

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Appears Rondo is back to putting up close to 12-8-5 on a regular basis with the occasional big time triple double.  Still can't shoot from outside or the free throw line.  Is what he is.

Hopefully the Kings enjoy some more success with him playing that role.  So far things haven't worked out for them this season, but with Cousins out there's a built-in excuse.

It looks like Rondo is really helping Cauley-Stein and Koufos stand out, which is nice to see, but the team has also defended really poorly.

Rondo and Caulie Stein are looking like an excellent fit, one of his alley oops the other night looked like a finger role to everyone including WCS who took a second or two to realize it was meant for him. Their timing's not even close to there yet and WCS is already feasting around the rim, not hard to imagine the two becoming a fixture once they build that chemistry.

Also good to see Marco Belinelli finally settling in to a nice rotation spot, makes more sense now why they found Stauskas expendable this summer.

Rondo had the team running so well against GS it really makes you wonder if the Kings would consider cutting ties with Cousins and turning the keys over to Rondo. Personally think they're both too ball dominant to ever be that great of a fit together, and I could see George Karl siding with Rondo if he had the choice, especially considering the boatload of assets that trading Cousins would bring in.

Not to derail this thread into a trade for Cousins rally but if they picked up a top stretch 4 big man capable of shooting 3's (Kelly Olynyk?) to stick next to Caulie Stein it'd open up some serious spacing for Rondo to work with. Might even be able to make the trade work without including the Brooklyn Pick though that'd probably be a pipe dream.

How about Rondo and Cousins stay together and develop chemistry?

Just my personal opinion, I think Cousins needs a point guard who has a big part of his game spotting up on the 3 point line while Cousins gets double teamed. Like a Mike Conley type

As for Rondo, I think he'd run into a ton of difficulty playing off such a high usage player. It hurts his ability to control the tempo and ball distribution.

Not that I don't think they can't play together, I just think that as their games are not complementary to each other.

Re: Rajon Rondo and the State of the Kings
« Reply #36 on: November 09, 2015, 02:39:50 AM »

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Appears Rondo is back to putting up close to 12-8-5 on a regular basis with the occasional big time triple double.  Still can't shoot from outside or the free throw line.  Is what he is.

Hopefully the Kings enjoy some more success with him playing that role.  So far things haven't worked out for them this season, but with Cousins out there's a built-in excuse.

It looks like Rondo is really helping Cauley-Stein and Koufos stand out, which is nice to see, but the team has also defended really poorly.

Rondo and Caulie Stein are looking like an excellent fit, one of his alley oops the other night looked like a finger role to everyone including WCS who took a second or two to realize it was meant for him. Their timing's not even close to there yet and WCS is already feasting around the rim, not hard to imagine the two becoming a fixture once they build that chemistry.

Also good to see Marco Belinelli finally settling in to a nice rotation spot, makes more sense now why they found Stauskas expendable this summer.

Rondo had the team running so well against GS it really makes you wonder if the Kings would consider cutting ties with Cousins and turning the keys over to Rondo. Personally think they're both too ball dominant to ever be that great of a fit together, and I could see George Karl siding with Rondo if he had the choice, especially considering the boatload of assets that trading Cousins would bring in.

Not to derail this thread into a trade for Cousins rally but if they picked up a top stretch 4 big man capable of shooting 3's (Kelly Olynyk?) to stick next to Caulie Stein it'd open up some serious spacing for Rondo to work with. Might even be able to make the trade work without including the Brooklyn Pick though that'd probably be a pipe dream.

How about Rondo and Cousins stay together and develop chemistry?

Just my personal opinion, I think Cousins needs a point guard who has a big part of his game spotting up on the 3 point line while Cousins gets double teamed. Like a Mike Conley type

As for Rondo, I think he'd run into a ton of difficulty playing off such a high usage player. It hurts his ability to control the tempo and ball distribution.

Not that I don't think they can't play together, I just think that as their games are not complementary to each other.

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Re: Rajon Rondo and the State of the Kings
« Reply #37 on: November 09, 2015, 05:55:34 AM »

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People heal at different rates, and Rondo may be healed and healthy now.  He has played through some pretty significant injuries in the past, and Carlisle benching him may have inadvertently helped him in that process.
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Re: Rajon Rondo and the State of the Kings
« Reply #38 on: November 10, 2015, 12:17:23 AM »

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San Antonio crushing the Kings.. just so many good results for the celtics this year. Literally everything going to plan: everything except our slowish start.
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« Reply #39 on: November 10, 2015, 12:29:42 AM »

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San Antonio crushing the Kings.. just so many good results for the celtics this year. Literally everything going to plan: everything except our slowish start.
Unless the draft is weak, I doubt Ainge trades a top three pick for Cousins.

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« Reply #40 on: November 10, 2015, 01:59:52 AM »

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Cousins says there are "internal issues" within the Kings players. A player only meeting has been arranged.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2587828-demarcus-cousins-comments-on-internal-issues-with-kings-players-only-meeting

Rondo doing his work as our spy, making Cousins mad and allowing us to jump in and trade for him.
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Re: Rajon Rondo and the State of the Kings
« Reply #41 on: November 10, 2015, 02:30:11 AM »

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Before Cousins left the game against the Clippers, the Kings were winning, and Rondo and Boogi were playing well together.
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« Reply #42 on: November 10, 2015, 08:22:58 AM »

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Just my personal opinion, I think Cousins needs a point guard who has a big part of his game spotting up on the 3 point line while Cousins gets double teamed. Like a Mike Conley type

I agree this is the problem but I see it a little differently.  It is Rondo's man that will sag off him and double on Cousins.  Rondo's man will be in Cousins face all game long or until Rondo shoots consistently enough to show he needs to be covered.  This will also allow everyone else to stay home on the other players who can actually shoot.  So Cousins is doubled, all shooters are covered, Rondo left open and hits 40% when he actually shoots.

I think Rondo has probably figured out that even though he can make the flashiest passes, it doesn't help to simply hold the ball but the shooting/sagging issue is still something that hurts the team.

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« Reply #43 on: November 10, 2015, 12:59:33 PM »

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Re: Rajon Rondo and the State of the Kings
« Reply #44 on: November 10, 2015, 01:29:55 PM »

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This is what Rondo is now, post-injury:

12 pts, 8-9 ast, 4-5 reb, 1-2 stl, 40% / 30% / 40%

He's not hurting their pace, though.  Sac is top 5 in pace so far.


I'm glad to see him proving he can be a useful player in the NBA, still.  Also glad the Celts didn't give him a long term contract.
excuse me. but doesnt sacramento currently have a w/l record of 1-6? where is rondo' usefulness here? i just dont see it right now.

I doubt Koufos or WCS look anywhere near as good as they have without Rondo.

Not saying Rondo is a star or anything. (Haven't you read any of my posts in the past?)  But I think he's showing that you can still play him and get OK production, and he won't kill your offense or your pace, necessarily.  Pairing him with bigs who can finish inside is a big deal, I think.  Anyway, his flaws are what they are.  He'll probably never again be an above average starting point guard, except for stand out games here and there. 

He just might have an actual NBA career beyond this season in Sacramento, though, which is not something I was sure about a few weeks ago.
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