The star is missing

[DarkAzcura]

I think you're glossing over the fact that Allen was 32 and coming off of dual ankle surgery (a procedure that ended his season) when you try to equate the two situations. Milwaukee's Ray Allen was not walking through that door.

The Bosh comparison is similar, but I think Bosh is a better player than Love is -- born out by the fact that he was able to adjust his game accordingly when paired with better teammates. Now, there's an argument to be made that Love hasn't had a fair chance to get over the adjustment period, but the idea that the Cavaliers should make the adjustments around the third most important player on their team (yeah, we disagree here) is hilarious to me.

Yeah we will disagree there. I don't think Irving is that amazing, and that's where the difference in opinion will be.

That's so not the point anyway.

? I don't get it. I said that because you pointed out one sentence of my original post. It wasn't the point of my original post, but you made a post about it and I decided to respond to it and have a discussion about it.

Also, I don't find it hilarious at all. He shouldn't be considered the third most important player on the team. Love is a more diverse and versatile offensive player. He's a better passer for his position. He's as good a shooter for his position. He can draw fouls better. He can play the post and on the perimeter. Irving is a nice volume scorer with awesome handles, but his passing ability is average to below average for a point guard, and he's not that great at drawing fouls. I think Love can make that offense truly great if given the opportunity because he has more diversity to his game. 

EDIT: I have an editing problem. I always will, lol. Just wait 5-10 minutes. 

[D.o.s.]

I quoted you because you took one small segment from my post and ignored the rest of it. I thought that was somewhat obvious: I was discussing why the Ray/Bosh comparisons were not so good, and you decided to zone in on why you don't think Kyrie is amazing.

Now, your response would fit me here, because I could say "Yeah we will disagree there. I don't think Love is that amazing, and that's where the difference in opinion will be." See how that is an actual, contextually legitimate response?

I'm not sure if Irving is overrated or not: his health is definitely a question mark. I do think that Love is much better than the average 4 compared to Kyrie's ability above the PG position, but that speaks more to the depth at point, IMO.

EDIT: Also I've thought Kevin Love was overrated for years can I just have my moment in the sun please.

[DarkAzcura]

I quoted you because you took one small segment from my post and ignored the rest of it. I thought that was somewhat obvious: I was discussing why the Ray/Bosh comparisons were not so good, and you decided to zone in on why you don't think Kyrie is amazing.

Now, your response would fit me here, because I could say "Yeah we will disagree there. I don't think Love is that amazing, and that's where the difference in opinion will be." See how that is an actual, contextually legitimate response?

I'm not sure if Irving is overrated or not: his health is definitely a question mark. I do think that Love is much better than the average 4 compared to Kyrie's ability above the PG position, but that speaks more to the depth at point, IMO.

Fair enough, but because Love is that much better than the average 4, I would use that as an argument that Cleveland should take advantage of that type of mismatch more often.

I was also disagreeing with you that the Ray/Bosh comparisons weren't good.  Ray was 32, but if he went back to Seattle, he was still good enough to put up 23-25 PPG in the way he always did. In 07-08, he definitely took a step back in terms of his role. By the time 2009 and 2010 rolled around, his ball handling was toast (honestly might be due to lack of in game reps + old age).

Bosh was more willing to take a step back in general because he didn't have the personality to want to dominate. He was also more defensively skilled than Love (which I mentioned already) so he could make his mark there. Bosh was/is a better two way player, but Love has always been a better offensive player, even compared to Bosh's Toronto days. I'm purely talking about Love's role on offense. I understand his defensive limitations.

EDIT: Fine, you can have your moment in the sun. It's freakin' Cleveland anyway. I don't feel like defending a Cavs player this much. 

[D.o.s.]

Yeah it's possible you might be right. I see what you're saying about the other Big 3's, as well, but I think Cleveland might have a square peg-round hole problem with Love and their other two superstars to a greater degree than Boston or Miami (or even NY, if you consider their prospective Big 3 of Chandler Stat and Melo).

[Who]

I think LeBron should be the one to adjust his game to bring the best out of his teammates rather than his teammates adjusting to him.

LeBron is the most well rounded and overall most talented player in the league. He is the best equipped player to adapt his game and still play at a dominant level.

Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love are talented but much less well rounded. Cleveland needs to allow them to play to their strengths to get high caliber play from them. When they are asked to adapt their games and not to play to their strengths, they are no longer dominant players because they are not well-rounded enough to do so and still succeed at a high level individually.

[GC003332]

The use of the word Star is just a tool that the media uses to create fan interest, much like the word Great,hoping to get fans to fork out their hard earned money to buy tickets,their favourite players Jersey, subscribe etc
In my reckoning a star is someone in the conversation annually for league MVP.
Does Boston lack a star, yes
So do about 25 other teams in the league.

Just have to keep following good , decent pros work hard and combine their talents collectively better than the other squads until a Star falls out of the sky eventually.