Are the Nets and Mavs purposely not tanking due to the picks owed to the Celtics

[MJohnnyboy]

Fab Melo, unfortunately (I prefer to think that it gave us the ability to take a chance on Sully and still have another pick, though)

That was a different pick. We acquired that pick that became Fab Melo originally from the Jeff Green for Kendrick Perkins trade (before his heart issues). The one IMshak is referring to is the one that we got as compensation for Green's heart issues.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

Fab Melo, unfortunately (I prefer to think that it gave us the ability to take a chance on Sully and still have another pick, though)

That was a different pick. We acquired that pick that became Fab Melo originally from the Jeff Green for Kendrick Perkins trade (before his heart issues). The one IMshak is referring to is the one that we got as compensation for Green's heart issues.

Yep. Maybe we used it for Moore? It was a 2nd.

[fairweatherfan]

Fab Melo, unfortunately (I prefer to think that it gave us the ability to take a chance on Sully and still have another pick, though)

That was a different pick. We acquired that pick that became Fab Melo originally from the Jeff Green for Kendrick Perkins trade (before his heart issues). The one IMshak is referring to is the one that we got as compensation for Green's heart issues.

Yep. Maybe we used it for Moore? It was a 2nd.

The answer's on the last page - we used it (it was a Charlotte 2nd OKC had acquired I believe) in the Courtney Lee deal.


http://www.nba.com/celtics/news/press_release/press072012-celtics-acquire-courtney-lee.html

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

Fab Melo, unfortunately (I prefer to think that it gave us the ability to take a chance on Sully and still have another pick, though)

That was a different pick. We acquired that pick that became Fab Melo originally from the Jeff Green for Kendrick Perkins trade (before his heart issues). The one IMshak is referring to is the one that we got as compensation for Green's heart issues.

Yep. Maybe we used it for Moore? It was a 2nd.

The answer's on the last page - we used it (it was a Charlotte 2nd OKC had acquired I believe) in the Courtney Lee deal.


http://www.nba.com/celtics/news/press_release/press072012-celtics-acquire-courtney-lee.html

Thank you. Was good use at the time!

[merkins]

Boston didn't Dallas and Brooklyn faulty players in the sense that all the faults were open and public.  There was no hidden medical records, there was no concealed reports, etc.  Brooklyn knew it was acquiring two old men who were long past their prime.  Dallas knew it was acquiring a hard headed stubborn PG that couldn't shoot.  This isn't a case of hide the ball on injuries (see Jrue Holiday or Andrew Bynum).

Exactly. I feel like people are misunderstanding me. When I say rip off, I don't mean Danny knew something that Brooklyn and Dallas didn't know. They made those deals and they're paying dearly for it. That is on them, not Danny.

My point is, they don't want to make those picks all the sweeter for Danny, hence why I don't think they are going to tank.

While the end result may be the same I think your reasoning here is off base.  You are injecting a personal vendetta/bias that an organization is going to double down on a lost bet by winning to not make themselves feel so bad about losing what may be a high pick. 

I don't think for a second two successful businessmen think this way and will steer their billion dollar franchises to win or lose for any reason other than it positions themselves the best possible way they can for the future. 

Obviously the Dallas pick protection impacts the tank discussion because they still have a stake in that outcome.  For the Nets, winning or losing games just to spoil the C's pick would be a pure amateur maneuver that even the terribly managed Nets wouldn't entertain.

[Moranis]

Boston didn't Dallas and Brooklyn faulty players in the sense that all the faults were open and public.  There was no hidden medical records, there was no concealed reports, etc.  Brooklyn knew it was acquiring two old men who were long past their prime.  Dallas knew it was acquiring a hard headed stubborn PG that couldn't shoot.  This isn't a case of hide the ball on injuries (see Jrue Holiday or Andrew Bynum).

Exactly. I feel like people are misunderstanding me. When I say rip off, I don't mean Danny knew something that Brooklyn and Dallas didn't know. They made those deals and they're paying dearly for it. That is on them, not Danny.

My point is, they don't want to make those picks all the sweeter for Danny, hence why I don't think they are going to tank.

While the end result may be the same I think your reasoning here is off base.  You are injecting a personal vendetta/bias that an organization is going to double down on a lost bet by winning to not make themselves feel so bad about losing what may be a high pick. 

I don't think for a second two successful businessmen think this way and will steer their billion dollar franchises to win or lose for any reason other than it positions themselves the best possible way they can for the future. 

Obviously the Dallas pick protection impacts the tank discussion because they still have a stake in that outcome.  For the Nets, winning or losing games just to spoil the C's pick would be a pure amateur maneuver that even the terribly managed Nets wouldn't entertain.

But Brooklyn has no incentive not to go all in for the next 3 seasons because they don't own their own draft pick.  As long as the moves they make don't affect the team past 2017/2018 then they should in fact go all in.

[LarBrd33]

What do you guys think?

Lol I love the premise of this thread... like the default mode for a team is to tank and teams would have to go out of their way to not tank.  TP.

[Celtics18]

What do you guys think?

Lol I love the premise of this thread... like the default mode for a team is to tank and teams would have to go out of their way to not tank.  TP.

Well, isn't that the way the modern NBA works?

If you aren't a top five team going into the season, you may as well be tanking, right?