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a ranking of 76ers assets
« on: July 23, 2015, 05:33:21 PM »

Offline coffee425

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Hi, another 76ers post here.

A Philly sports writer just ranked the top-5 76ers assets.
http://www.csnphilly.com/basketball-philadelphia-76ers/where-does-joel-embiid-rank-among-sixers-assets-now?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo

Just thought it was funny that after 3 years of draft tanking, their best assets come from even more draft tanking for the next couple years.



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Re: a ranking of 76ers assets
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2015, 06:05:08 PM »

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(1) Noel
(2) 2016 Sixers pick - top 5
(3) Okafor
(4) 2016 Lakers pick
(5) Saric
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« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2015, 06:07:19 PM »

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A little surprised Saric ended behind Embiid or the MIA pick that is going to require a major injury to fall into the late lottery. I'm not high on Saric at all, but the general consensus is better. Thought the following was somewhat noteworthy for news content. Agree that it's best to hold Embiid and hope rather than take a mid-first. hit-or-miss pick. Embiid's issue is health rather than potential talent though some of the Librety Ballers have been excessive about a guy who had minimal playing time against people rather than chairs. Think the bit about Divac is silly. Kings may well win that deal at the end of the day.

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If the Sixers hypothetically tried to move Embiid right now, what might they get in return? As a rough thought experiment, I asked around. One longtime league executive said he’s worth “a real protected first.” When I asked if the Sixers could get into the lottery for Embiid, the reply was quick: “No.” Another longtime front office man disagreed slightly and said he’d go “back end of the lottery, maybe” for Embiid. He called it a “dice roll” for teams that are starting over and want to gamble. Those are just two opinions, and Hinkie has done pretty well for himself when negotiating with other front offices (poor, overmatched Vlade Divac), but it’s evident that, at present, it would be hard to find a return approaching the third overall pick that the Sixers invested in Embiid. It’s hold him and hope, or move him and take a huge loss on the investment. The first option seems smartest and most likely.
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Re: a ranking of 76ers assets
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2015, 06:18:26 PM »

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In 2016, Philly gets:
Lakers pick (Top 3 protected)
Miami pick (Top 11 protected)
Oklahoma pick (Top 15 protected)
The right to swap their own pick with the Kings (if the Kings have a top 10 pick)
2nd rounder from Denver

In 2016, C's get:
Nets Pick
Dallas pick (Top 7 protected)
Minny pick (top 12 protected; becomes a 2nd rounder in 2016 and another in 2017 if the 1st isn't conveyed)
Celts own pick
Cleveland's 2nd
The more favorable of Dallas' and Memphis' 2nd
Philly's 2nd

Philly estimate for 2016:
Own 1st (won't swap with Kings) - 5
Lakers 1st - 6
Miami 1st - 17
OKC 1st - 19
Denver's 2nd - 36

Philly's 2016 draft: 5, 6, 17, 19 and 36

Boston estimate for 2016:
1st round:
Nets 1st - 10
Own 1st - 16
Dallas 1st - 18
Philly 2nd - 35
Minny 2nd - 38
Dallas/Memphis 2nd - 48
Cleveland 2nd - 57

Boston's 2016 draft = 10, 16, 18, 35, 38, 48, 57


In addition to having Okafur, Noel and the possibility of Embiid in the future, the Sixers (based on my guess above) will have much better draft options than the C's in 2016. 

C's draft could be a lot different if the C's fall out of the playoffs, the Nets falter, the Mavs fall just enough, and the Wolves surge to #13.  How does 3, 8, 11, and 13 sound? 

Philly's draft could falter if the Lakers are a lot better than expected and if Philly somehow manages to start winning.


As of now in a total youth rebuild kind of way, I'd much rather be in the Sixers shoes.
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« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2015, 06:35:18 PM »

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Quote from: Who on July 23, 2015, 06:05:08 PM
(1) Noel
(2) 2016 Sixers pick - top 5
(3) Okafor
(4) 2016 Lakers pick
(5) Saric

I would swap Noel and Okafor but otherwise that looks right.
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Re: a ranking of 76ers assets
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2015, 06:38:16 PM »

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Quote from: Neurotic Guy on July 23, 2015, 06:18:26 PM
In 2016, Philly gets:
Lakers pick (Top 3 protected)
Miami pick (Top 11 protected)
Oklahoma pick (Top 15 protected)
The right to swap their own pick with the Kings (if the Kings have a top 10 pick)
2nd rounder from Denver

In 2016, C's get:
Nets Pick
Dallas pick (Top 7 protected)
Minny pick (top 12 protected; becomes a 2nd rounder in 2016 and another in 2017 if the 1st isn't conveyed)
Celts own pick
Cleveland's 2nd
The more favorable of Dallas' and Memphis' 2nd
Philly's 2nd

Philly estimate for 2016:
Own 1st (won't swap with Kings) - 5
Lakers 1st - 6
Miami 1st - 17
OKC 1st - 19
Denver's 2nd - 36

Philly's 2016 draft: 5, 6, 17, 19 and 36

Boston estimate for 2016:
1st round:
Nets 1st - 10
Own 1st - 16
Dallas 1st - 18
Philly 2nd - 35
Minny 2nd - 38
Dallas/Memphis 2nd - 48
Cleveland 2nd - 57

Boston's 2016 draft = 10, 16, 18, 35, 38, 48, 57


In addition to having Okafur, Noel and the possibility of Embiid in the future, the Sixers (based on my guess above) will have much better draft options than the C's in 2016. 

C's draft could be a lot different if the C's fall out of the playoffs, the Nets falter, the Mavs fall just enough, and the Wolves surge to #13.  How does 3, 8, 11, and 13 sound? 

Philly's draft could falter if the Lakers are a lot better than expected and if Philly somehow manages to start winning.


As of now in a total youth rebuild kind of way, I'd much rather be in the Sixers shoes.

I really don't understand the fascination of pumping up one's team's assets and downgrading our own and we see this all the time on this board. I have highlighted the really egregious example of it here.

In what world does a team with

Russel Westbrook
Waiters
Kevin Durant
Sergie Ibaka
Enes Kanter

and some servicable bench players in Augustine, Adams and Collison

Finish neck and neck with

Deron Williams
Parsons coming off injury
Wesley Matthews (coming off achilles)
Dirk (37 years old)
Zaza

 How do you post that as a serious prediction?
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« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2015, 06:38:57 PM »

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surprised 'culture' didn't make the list.  thought they were most innovative team in the league?
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« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2015, 06:43:21 PM »

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Quote from: D Dub on July 23, 2015, 06:38:57 PM
surprised 'culture' didn't make the list.  thought they were most innovative team in the league?

They have a top notch team for hiding medical issues from other teams also
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« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2015, 06:49:58 PM »

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Realistically, Philly's top three assets are probably

1) Philadelphia 2016 pick
2) Philadelphia 2017 pick
3) Philadelphia 2018 pick
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« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2015, 06:50:28 PM »

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Quote from: oldtype on July 23, 2015, 06:49:58 PM
Realistically, Philly's top three assets are probably

1) Philadelphia 2016 pick
2) Philadelphia 2017 pick
3) Philadelphia 2018 pick

They gotta fire hinkie!
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« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2015, 07:05:24 PM »

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I think Dallas is going to get off to a disappointing start and end up tanking around mid-season to ensure they keep that top 7 protected pick.
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« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2015, 07:08:07 PM »

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I vote that we create a forum devoted to discussing the 76ers.   :)
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« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2015, 07:17:42 PM »

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Quote from: Who on July 23, 2015, 07:05:24 PM
I think Dallas is going to get off to a disappointing start and end up tanking around mid-season to ensure they keep that top 7 protected pick.

Sit Dirk, trade Parsons.  That ought to do it, right?


If they're trading Parsons to get worse anyway, do we get in on that?
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« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2015, 07:21:06 PM »

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Quote from: PhoSita on July 23, 2015, 07:17:42 PM
Quote from: Who on July 23, 2015, 07:05:24 PM
I think Dallas is going to get off to a disappointing start and end up tanking around mid-season to ensure they keep that top 7 protected pick.

Sit Dirk, trade Parsons.  That ought to do it, right?


If they're trading Parsons to get worse anyway, do we get in on that?

I expect Dirk after seeing how miserable his team is will get one of those midseason injuries that sees him play little to nothing the rest of the way.

I don't think Parsons makes that much of a difference to the W-L column. No need to trade him in order to get into the bottom 7.
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« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2015, 07:28:07 PM »

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Quote from: PhoSita on July 23, 2015, 07:17:42 PM
Quote from: Who on July 23, 2015, 07:05:24 PM
I think Dallas is going to get off to a disappointing start and end up tanking around mid-season to ensure they keep that top 7 protected pick.

Sit Dirk, trade Parsons.  That ought to do it, right?


If they're trading Parsons to get worse anyway, do we get in on that?
I was big on Parsons when Dallas signed him but he plateaued last year and kind of fell off defensively. Of course, he'd start at SF for us so if there was a way to get him cheap, I'd probably do it.
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