How will Jordan Mickey be signed?

[LooseCannon]

So, I bring this up because A) Want to confirm with someone else if that exception can be used to sign a 2nd round rookie to a 3-year deal, and B) To give you guys all the alternatives we have at our disposal to accomplish this.

I will confirm that the room exception can be used to sign a rookie not drafted in the first round to more than the minimum.

The normal trade-off is the rookie accepting more guaranteed money than the minimum in exchange for agreeing to some team-friendly non-guaranteed years.

[BudweiserCeltic]

So, I bring this up because A) Want to confirm with someone else if that exception can be used to sign a 2nd round rookie to a 3-year deal, and B) To give you guys all the alternatives we have at our disposal to accomplish this.

I will confirm that the room exception can be used to sign a rookie not drafted in the first round to more than the minimum.

The normal trade-off is the rookie accepting more guaranteed money than the minimum in exchange for agreeing to some team-friendly non-guaranteed years.

Thanks. Have been quite uninformed on this exception since we've never needed it before.

[Tr1boy]

When does Danny have until to sign Mickey and Holmes?

All year?

I thought 2nd round picks needed to be signed by the end of summer or they become FA?

Na', you have the rights for a full year and it gets more complicated when they start playing pro elsewhere, us keeping their rights, etc. I'm a bit murky on how it works. But no, you retain the rights for at least a year (next draft pretty much).

Ok. Then the quetion is, when are 2nd round picks (that teams want to have on their rosters) usually signed by?? 

For Mickey to play in the dleague , he has to be part of the 15 man roster? Same for Holmes??

For example, 2 players down in the d league, 13 players available to play in the game

[Boris Badenov]

When does Danny have until to sign Mickey and Holmes?

All year?

I thought 2nd round picks needed to be signed by the end of summer or they become FA?

Na', you have the rights for a full year and it gets more complicated when they start playing pro elsewhere, us keeping their rights, etc. I'm a bit murky on how it works. But no, you retain the rights for at least a year (next draft pretty much).

Ok. Then the quetion is, when are 2nd round picks (that teams want to have on their rosters) usually signed by?? 

For Mickey to play in the dleague , he has to be part of the 15 man roster? Same for Holmes??

For example, 2 players down in the d league, 13 players available to play in the game

My impression is that it happens at any time between the start of SL (unusual) to right before training camp (more typical) to right before the start of the season (sometimes).

As I understand it the thing that's really in play for a second rounder is how much of the contract is guaranteed (and/or how many years are guaranteed), which depends on how the guy performs at various points before the season starts. The team has an incentive to delay signing him for as long as possible, to learn as much as possible, but will often sign someone earlier as a gesture of good faith.

If the contract is minimum, it'll generally be for two years, but teams will occasionally work a third year in there to guarantee that they get Bird Rights.

That's my understanding anyway. Happy to be corrected.

[BudweiserCeltic]

When does Danny have until to sign Mickey and Holmes?

All year?

I thought 2nd round picks needed to be signed by the end of summer or they become FA?

Na', you have the rights for a full year and it gets more complicated when they start playing pro elsewhere, us keeping their rights, etc. I'm a bit murky on how it works. But no, you retain the rights for at least a year (next draft pretty much).

Ok. Then the quetion is, when are 2nd round picks (that teams want to have on their rosters) usually signed by?? 

For Mickey to play in the dleague , he has to be part of the 15 man roster? Same for Holmes??

For example, 2 players down in the d league, 13 players available to play in the game

Really depends on how the roster is looking, the availability of free-agent talent, and potential trades you're negotiating.

For example, I'd say an undrafted rookie might get a deal by late July or so if there's real interest in him (to avoid another team swooping him).

For a 2nd rounder, I'd say late August or so.

As for playing in the D-League, well don't know the rules all that well. I think Mickey can get an unaffiliated contract in D-League if he wants to.

As for Holmes, well if he goes to the D-League on his own he'll have no relationship with us whatsoever.

[LooseCannon]

So, I bring this up because A) Want to confirm with someone else if that exception can be used to sign a 2nd round rookie to a 3-year deal, and B) To give you guys all the alternatives we have at our disposal to accomplish this.

I will confirm that the room exception can be used to sign a rookie not drafted in the first round to more than the minimum.

The normal trade-off is the rookie accepting more guaranteed money than the minimum in exchange for agreeing to some team-friendly non-guaranteed years.

Thanks. Have been quite uninformed on this exception since we've never needed it before.

It works the same as the MLE, just for less money.

[saltlover]

So, I bring this up because A) Want to confirm with someone else if that exception can be used to sign a 2nd round rookie to a 3-year deal, and B) To give you guys all the alternatives we have at our disposal to accomplish this.

I will confirm that the room exception can be used to sign a rookie not drafted in the first round to more than the minimum.

The normal trade-off is the rookie accepting more guaranteed money than the minimum in exchange for agreeing to some team-friendly non-guaranteed years.

Thanks. Have been quite uninformed on this exception since we've never needed it before.

It works the same as the MLE, just for less money.

This is incorrect.  The room exception can only be used on contracts for two years of length or less.  If Ainge wants to sign either Mickey or Holmes to a longer deal, cap room is our only option at this point.  (Also, I'm fairly certain a deal with Mickey has already been reached, but not announced, as last week Ainge talked about having 15 players not including Pressey, and I don't think he was meaning Babb.)

[BudweiserCeltic]

So, I bring this up because A) Want to confirm with someone else if that exception can be used to sign a 2nd round rookie to a 3-year deal, and B) To give you guys all the alternatives we have at our disposal to accomplish this.

I will confirm that the room exception can be used to sign a rookie not drafted in the first round to more than the minimum.

The normal trade-off is the rookie accepting more guaranteed money than the minimum in exchange for agreeing to some team-friendly non-guaranteed years.

Thanks. Have been quite uninformed on this exception since we've never needed it before.

It works the same as the MLE, just for less money.

This is incorrect.  The room exception can only be used on contracts for two years of length or less.  If Ainge wants to sign either Mickey or Holmes to a longer deal, cap room is our only option at this point.  (Also, I'm fairly certain a deal with Mickey has already been reached, but not announced, as last week Ainge talked about having 15 players not including Pressey, and I don't think he was meaning Babb.)

CBA FAQ says you can use it for up to four-year contracts... maybe confusing it with the bi-annual?

Never mind, was reading the wrong section. I don't know whose bright idea it was to name it Room MID-Level exception. Just call it Room Exception and be done with it.

[LooseCannon]

So, I bring this up because A) Want to confirm with someone else if that exception can be used to sign a 2nd round rookie to a 3-year deal, and B) To give you guys all the alternatives we have at our disposal to accomplish this.

I will confirm that the room exception can be used to sign a rookie not drafted in the first round to more than the minimum.

The normal trade-off is the rookie accepting more guaranteed money than the minimum in exchange for agreeing to some team-friendly non-guaranteed years.

Thanks. Have been quite uninformed on this exception since we've never needed it before.

It works the same as the MLE, just for less money.

This is incorrect.  The room exception can only be used on contracts for two years of length or less.  If Ainge wants to sign either Mickey or Holmes to a longer deal, cap room is our only option at this point.  (Also, I'm fairly certain a deal with Mickey has already been reached, but not announced, as last week Ainge talked about having 15 players not including Pressey, and I don't think he was meaning Babb.)

CBA FAQ says you can use it for up to four-year contracts... maybe confusing it with the bi-annual?

saltlover is actually right about the room mid-level exception.

[BudweiserCeltic]

So, I bring this up because A) Want to confirm with someone else if that exception can be used to sign a 2nd round rookie to a 3-year deal, and B) To give you guys all the alternatives we have at our disposal to accomplish this.

I will confirm that the room exception can be used to sign a rookie not drafted in the first round to more than the minimum.

The normal trade-off is the rookie accepting more guaranteed money than the minimum in exchange for agreeing to some team-friendly non-guaranteed years.

Thanks. Have been quite uninformed on this exception since we've never needed it before.

It works the same as the MLE, just for less money.

This is incorrect.  The room exception can only be used on contracts for two years of length or less.  If Ainge wants to sign either Mickey or Holmes to a longer deal, cap room is our only option at this point.  (Also, I'm fairly certain a deal with Mickey has already been reached, but not announced, as last week Ainge talked about having 15 players not including Pressey, and I don't think he was meaning Babb.)

CBA FAQ says you can use it for up to four-year contracts... maybe confusing it with the bi-annual?

saltlover is actually right about the room mid-level exception.

Crap, I was reading the wrong section! I just saw the details.

[BudweiserCeltic]

So, I bring this up because A) Want to confirm with someone else if that exception can be used to sign a 2nd round rookie to a 3-year deal, and B) To give you guys all the alternatives we have at our disposal to accomplish this.

I will confirm that the room exception can be used to sign a rookie not drafted in the first round to more than the minimum.

The normal trade-off is the rookie accepting more guaranteed money than the minimum in exchange for agreeing to some team-friendly non-guaranteed years.

Thanks. Have been quite uninformed on this exception since we've never needed it before.

It works the same as the MLE, just for less money.

This is incorrect.  The room exception can only be used on contracts for two years of length or less.  If Ainge wants to sign either Mickey or Holmes to a longer deal, cap room is our only option at this point.  (Also, I'm fairly certain a deal with Mickey has already been reached, but not announced, as last week Ainge talked about having 15 players not including Pressey, and I don't think he was meaning Babb.)

Considering that our only option for a 3-year deal is to use cap space, I'm expecting we'll see a deal for him soon since I'm quite certain Ainge wants to lock him up to a 3-year deal.

And this came out a few hours ago:

Steve Bulpett @SteveBHoop
Celtics will be meeting tonight with Jordan Mickey's rep to work out a contract for the impressive second-round pick.

[gpap]

With a pen and paper?

[BudweiserCeltic]

So, I bring this up because A) Want to confirm with someone else if that exception can be used to sign a 2nd round rookie to a 3-year deal, and B) To give you guys all the alternatives we have at our disposal to accomplish this.

I will confirm that the room exception can be used to sign a rookie not drafted in the first round to more than the minimum.

The normal trade-off is the rookie accepting more guaranteed money than the minimum in exchange for agreeing to some team-friendly non-guaranteed years.

Thanks. Have been quite uninformed on this exception since we've never needed it before.

It works the same as the MLE, just for less money.

This is incorrect.  The room exception can only be used on contracts for two years of length or less.  If Ainge wants to sign either Mickey or Holmes to a longer deal, cap room is our only option at this point.  (Also, I'm fairly certain a deal with Mickey has already been reached, but not announced, as last week Ainge talked about having 15 players not including Pressey, and I don't think he was meaning Babb.)

Considering that our only option for a 3-year deal is to use cap space, I'm expecting we'll see a deal for him soon since I'm quite certain Ainge wants to lock him up to a 3-year deal.

And this came out a few hours ago:

Steve Bulpett @SteveBHoop
Celtics will be meeting tonight with Jordan Mickey's rep to work out a contract for the impressive second-round pick.

Steve Bulpett @SteveBHoop
Some are misleading w/earlier tweet. Even if Celts and JMickey work out contract tonight, he may not sign right away so C's stay flexible.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Steve Bulpett @SteveBHoop
Jordan Mickey's rep to speak with Celts again today. Things will get worked out, but no rush.

[Gainesville Celtic]

To answer your original question ---

I agree Ainge (who was one of the first GMs to do this) would like to sign Mickey with either cap room or an exception b/c it allows for a 3 year deal -- which gives BOS potential Bird Rights if Mickey pulls an Arenas/Draymond and turns into a really good player.

In either case though Mickey will still likely be signed for the minimum salary (or a little more, just for good will; but only like $50k, not $300K more). The only question is the mechanism.

I suspsect that ultimately he'll be signed with cap room.