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« on: July 09, 2015, 05:45:53 PM »

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I said this a while back in a round about way.  Two different situations and players obviously but Dallas is one of those fringe teams that did land a guy like Jordan.  He backed out of his offer, but a better situation he may not have.  Dirk is aging there with Chandler. We just picked up Lee and have Dallas's pick and an assortment of young players that are coming into their own.  We want to get into that range of a team like Dallas though so we can actually land a free agent.  Players will come if we offer them a situation like that. We also have Marcus Smart  and a pg to get guys the ball.

I guess what I'm saying is adding David Lee should vault us into a hybrid team of sorts.  He kind of is our Dirk now.

Dallas more than likely is going to go into tank mode and might be looking to unload pieces since they failed at landing that player, but I don't see that happening here.

Dirk is getting too old. Lee can attract players here who want to be a #1 guy.  Dallas has it wrong in ways where we are doing it right.
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« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2015, 06:02:04 PM »

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Dallas is trying to build around an aging superstar.  We have Lee and want a younger superstar I would guess.  Deandre would actually be a better fit here but not sure he is our guy either because of free throw woes etc. I don't think he is.  I think there is someone else and the C's should be focusing on adding another player to go with Lee.

Teams like the Lakers and Mavs are really disfunctional situations.  We are in a good situation here.

What the Mavs were trying to do is what we can do imo..  Ainge is basically breaking the code of being that team stuck in the middle. It  can work.
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« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2015, 06:32:20 PM »

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Dirk is one of my favorite players ever.  Top 25 guy all-time, in my book.

Do me a favor and don't suggest that David Lee is in any way comparable.

Not so much anymore, but Dirk was for most of his career a guy around which you could build a great offense. 

Lee is a productive complementary player who puts up big counting stats if you give him extended minutes, but he's never been any good as a featured player, and arguably takes away as much as he gives you due to his defensive issues.


Nobody is signing with our team just because we acquired David Lee.  He's a respected veteran around the league, and I'm sure most guys would be happy to play with him, but I don't think anybody looks at our team now and says, "Man, I could really go far with David Lee and Isaiah Thomas by my side!"
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« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2015, 06:36:05 PM »

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Mavs owns the rights for this dude. The best pointguard in europe.

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« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2015, 07:04:10 PM »

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Quote from: PhoSita on July 09, 2015, 06:32:20 PM
Dirk is one of my favorite players ever.  Top 25 guy all-time, in my book.

Do me a favor and don't suggest that David Lee is in any way comparable.

Not so much anymore, but Dirk was for most of his career a guy around which you could build a great offense. 

Lee is a productive complementary player who puts up big counting stats if you give him extended minutes, but he's never been any good as a featured player, and arguably takes away as much as he gives you due to his defensive issues.


Nobody is signing with our team just because we acquired David Lee.  He's a respected veteran around the league, and I'm sure most guys would be happy to play with him, but I don't think anybody looks at our team now and says, "Man, I could really go far with David Lee and Isaiah Thomas by my side!"

No offense but I think you completely missed the point of what I was saying.  I have lee as a 3rd wheel ultimately.  We need another player.  Then players and really good ones might think about coming here to play with guys like Smart, Lee, Isiaiah and what we acquire going forward. 
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« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2015, 07:09:39 PM »

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Quote from: walker834 on July 09, 2015, 05:45:53 PM
I said this a while back in a round about way.  Two different situations and players obviously but Dallas is one of those fringe teams that did land a guy like Jordan.  He backed out of his offer, but a better situation he may not have.  Dirk is aging there with Chandler. We just picked up Lee and have Dallas's pick and an assortment of young players that are coming into their own.  We want to get into that range of a team like Dallas though so we can actually land a free agent.  Players will come if we offer them a situation like that. We also have Marcus Smart  and a pg to get guys the ball.

I guess what I'm saying is adding David Lee should vault us into a hybrid team of sorts.  He kind of is our Dirk now.

Dallas more than likely is going to go into tank mode and might be looking to unload pieces since they failed at landing that player, but I don't see that happening here.

Dirk is getting too old. Lee can attract players here who want to be a #1 guy.  Dallas has it wrong in ways where we are doing it right.
I'm sorry but I didn't follow that at all.
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« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2015, 07:10:54 PM »

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For all we know right now Lee might be a guy who will land us a disgruntled star as well. Lee plays well for us a contender might want him and we mi ght be able to get another piece.  Either way Lee is a key.
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« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2015, 07:13:17 PM »

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I'm saying if we add to our talent level we might be able to lure someone who can be a #1 guy for us.  Dallas has it backwards.  They have an aging superstar and are trying to add guys who want bigger roles.  Going to Dallas would have done nothing for Deandre.  He still would have been playing in Dirk's shadow.

I'm saying we are doing it the right way. Dallas had it wrong.   What Dallas tried to do is what we should be able to do ultimately.
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« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2015, 07:22:29 PM »

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Quote from: walker834 on July 09, 2015, 07:04:10 PM

No offense but I think you completely missed the point of what I was saying.

You said, "Lee can attract players here who want to be #1 guys."
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« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2015, 07:24:20 PM »

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Quote from: PhoSita on July 09, 2015, 07:22:29 PM
Quote from: walker834 on July 09, 2015, 07:04:10 PM

No offense but I think you completely missed the point of what I was saying.

You said, "Lee can attract players here who want to be #1 guys."

I believe he can be a part of that yes.  He is a good passer for a big man and plays unselfishly.
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« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2015, 07:26:18 PM »

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I thinks parsons and Cuban are also good recruiters

Parsons actively met with DJ
Also parsons did the same to Howard to get him to Houston
He seems like a guy that though not a superstar like wade can still attract free agents

But I think the better model to follow in rebuilding is Spurs/golden state
Draft your core
Trade and sign free agents for role players to fill your roster
And continuously draft players to develop (while GSW hasn't done this much but did so with Barnes and Ezeli)

This ensures that a team is continuously successful such as the Spurs
Also signing and trading for stars seems harder in this league now
KG only opted to go to join us when he saw Ray Allen join Pierce
Not many stars are leaving their teams

Being a major city is not much of an allure as being ready to compete
This is shown by Monroe opting to sign with bucks rather than NY
And also Aldridge choosing Spurs over LA
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« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2015, 07:27:12 PM »

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The thing is Agents aren't stupid.  The celtics have a guy like Marcus and Isiaiah and Lee and guys who play unselfishly they are going to want their guy to be in a good situation where that player is wanted etc..
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« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2015, 07:29:19 PM »

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Seems like the opposite--the C's were the first team to get screwed by Doc--even though we now say good riddance.
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« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2015, 07:30:51 PM »

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Quote from: clover on July 09, 2015, 07:29:19 PM
Seems like the opposite--the C's were the first team to get screwed by Doc--even though we now say good riddance.

Well yeah it is.  That's why i said actually.   jordan backed out of his deal.  There is a lack of tone and what I'm saying this way.  Read between the lines a bit. Dallas is a very different place than Boston so it's not surprising.
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Quote from: walker834 on July 09, 2015, 07:13:17 PM
I'm saying if we add to our talent level we might be able to lure someone who can be a #1 guy for us.  Dallas has it backwards.  They have an aging superstar and are trying to add guys who want bigger roles.  Going to Dallas would have done nothing for Deandre.  He still would have been playing in Dirk's shadow.

I'm saying we are doing it the right way. Dallas had it wrong.   What Dallas tried to do is what we should be able to do ultimately.
Dallas has it backwards, but the title of the thread is "The mavs are actually a good model for us."

I'm still confused about the comparison you're trying to make between the teams, unless you're just saying that we both need more talented rosters, in which case, sure.
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