James Young Summer League

[walker834]

 This is how Ainge drafts though and why he's a good drafter.  Some work out and some players have to develop. AB was the same thing.  How many people gave up on him?  And Sully?  These people don't understand how Ainge drafts. Every so often there's a fab melo or a marcus banks in there.  Should have taken Draymond Danny.  I was all over that.

[Scintan]

This is how Ainge drafts though and why he's a good drafter.  Some work out and some players have to develop.

Before you go claiming Ainge is a good drafter, take a good look at all the Celtics draft picks beginning in 2006, including the obvious drafted-to-trade picks (In other words, Olynyk counts as a Celtics draft pick, but Marshon Brooks doesn't).  That's a 10 year stretch.

[walker834]

I think Danny likes drafting lower in the draft and has a propensity to find good prospects.  james young kind of is that guy right now.

[Ilikesports17]

This is how Ainge drafts though and why he's a good drafter.  Some work out and some players have to develop.

Before you go claiming Ainge is a good drafter, take a good look at all the Celtics draft picks beginning in 2006, including the obvious drafted-to-trade picks (In other words, Olynyk counts as a Celtics draft pick, but Marshon Brooks doesn't).  That's a 10 year stretch.

2006: rondo at 21 = great pick
2007: turns #5 into Ray Allen --> great work
2008: jr giddens (garbage but pick #30)
2009: no first
2010: AB at 19 = very good pick
2011: Jajuan Johnson = awful but at 27
2012: Sully at 19 = good ; melo at 20 = awful
2013: Olynyk at 13 = decent
2014: I think smarts good jury's out on young but really to early to judge.

So in the range you suggest it's only fair to grade
06,07,08,10,11,12,13
A 7 year span.

Despite picking nearly exclusively in the back half of the first he's managed to pick up a lot of cery nice players. I'd say he had a good track record since '06

[Scintan]

This is how Ainge drafts though and why he's a good drafter.  Some work out and some players have to develop.

Before you go claiming Ainge is a good drafter, take a good look at all the Celtics draft picks beginning in 2006, including the obvious drafted-to-trade picks (In other words, Olynyk counts as a Celtics draft pick, but Marshon Brooks doesn't).  That's a 10 year stretch.

2006: rondo at 21 = great pick
2007: turns #5 into Ray Allen --> great work
2008: jr giddens (garbage but pick #30)
2009: no first
2010: AB at 19 = very good pick
2011: Jajuan Johnson = awful but at 27
2012: Sully at 19 = good ; melo at 20 = awful
2013: Olynyk at 13 = decent
2014: I think smarts good jury's out on young but really to early to judge.

So in the range you suggest it's only fair to grade
06,07,08,10,11,12,13
A 7 year span.

Despite picking nearly exclusively in the back half of the first he's managed to pick up a lot of cery nice players. I'd say he had a good track record since '06

You're cheating by tossing in trades, and making excuses about not having first round picks, which is not surprising when it comes to the sunshine crew.

The reality is that he's been a pretty lousy drafter during the past 10 years.  That's not to say that it's all his fault.  He's been drafting after the talent's been gone for the most part, so most people will be pretty lousy drafters in that situation.  It's the nature of the NBA beast.

[Ilikesports17]

This is how Ainge drafts though and why he's a good drafter.  Some work out and some players have to develop.

Before you go claiming Ainge is a good drafter, take a good look at all the Celtics draft picks beginning in 2006, including the obvious drafted-to-trade picks (In other words, Olynyk counts as a Celtics draft pick, but Marshon Brooks doesn't).  That's a 10 year stretch.

2006: rondo at 21 = great pick
2007: turns #5 into Ray Allen --> great work
2008: jr giddens (garbage but pick #30)
2009: no first
2010: AB at 19 = very good pick
2011: Jajuan Johnson = awful but at 27
2012: Sully at 19 = good ; melo at 20 = awful
2013: Olynyk at 13 = decent
2014: I think smarts good jury's out on young but really to early to judge.

So in the range you suggest it's only fair to grade
06,07,08,10,11,12,13
A 7 year span.

Despite picking nearly exclusively in the back half of the first he's managed to pick up a lot of cery nice players. I'd say he had a good track record since '06

You're cheating by tossing in trades, and making excuses about not having first round picks, which is not surprising when it comes to the sunshine crew.

The reality is that he's been a pretty lousy drafter during the past 10 years.  That's not to say that it's all his fault.  He's been drafting after the talent's been gone for the most part, so most people will be pretty lousy drafters in that situation.  It's the nature of the NBA beast.

You confuse me

[feckless]

This is how Ainge drafts though and why he's a good drafter.  Some work out and some players have to develop.

Before you go claiming Ainge is a good drafter, take a good look at all the Celtics draft picks beginning in 2006, including the obvious drafted-to-trade picks (In other words, Olynyk counts as a Celtics draft pick, but Marshon Brooks doesn't).  That's a 10 year stretch.

2006: rondo at 21 = great pick
2007: turns #5 into Ray Allen --> great work
2008: jr giddens (garbage but pick #30)
2009: no first
2010: AB at 19 = very good pick
2011: Jajuan Johnson = awful but at 27
2012: Sully at 19 = good ; melo at 20 = awful
2013: Olynyk at 13 = decent
2014: I think smarts good jury's out on young but really to early to judge.

So in the range you suggest it's only fair to grade
06,07,08,10,11,12,13
A 7 year span.

Despite picking nearly exclusively in the back half of the first he's managed to pick up a lot of cery nice players. I'd say he had a good track record since '06

Let's take 2011 as an example of how good a drafter Danny is??

JaJuan awful but at 27 you say so don't blame Danny--you know who was drafted after JaJuan??---Jimmy Butler, Cory Joseph, Chandler Parson, Lavoy Allen, Isaiah Thomas, Norris Cole---I guess Danny just had a bad year!

[droopdog7]

This is how Ainge drafts though and why he's a good drafter.  Some work out and some players have to develop.

Before you go claiming Ainge is a good drafter, take a good look at all the Celtics draft picks beginning in 2006, including the obvious drafted-to-trade picks (In other words, Olynyk counts as a Celtics draft pick, but Marshon Brooks doesn't).  That's a 10 year stretch.

2006: rondo at 21 = great pick
2007: turns #5 into Ray Allen --> great work
2008: jr giddens (garbage but pick #30)
2009: no first
2010: AB at 19 = very good pick
2011: Jajuan Johnson = awful but at 27
2012: Sully at 19 = good ; melo at 20 = awful
2013: Olynyk at 13 = decent
2014: I think smarts good jury's out on young but really to early to judge.

So in the range you suggest it's only fair to grade
06,07,08,10,11,12,13
A 7 year span.

Despite picking nearly exclusively in the back half of the first he's managed to pick up a lot of cery nice players. I'd say he had a good track record since '06

Let's take 2011 as an example of how good a drafter Danny is??

JaJuan awful but at 27 you say so don't blame Danny--you know who was drafted after JaJuan??---Jimmy Butler, Cory Joseph, Chandler Parson, Lavoy Allen, Isaiah Thomas, Norris Cole---I guess Danny just had a bad year!

Question is, who was drafted before DA drafted JaJuan?  My guess is the guys you mentioned are better than many of those guys too. 

Every year guys will fall through the cracks.  Missing out on them isn't a crime.  If the teams that drafted the guys you mentioned also had a first round pick, I am betting that in most cases their second pick was better than their first.  Are they geniuses or did they simply get lucky?

[feckless]

This is how Ainge drafts though and why he's a good drafter.  Some work out and some players have to develop.

Before you go claiming Ainge is a good drafter, take a good look at all the Celtics draft picks beginning in 2006, including the obvious drafted-to-trade picks (In other words, Olynyk counts as a Celtics draft pick, but Marshon Brooks doesn't).  That's a 10 year stretch.

2006: rondo at 21 = great pick
2007: turns #5 into Ray Allen --> great work
2008: jr giddens (garbage but pick #30)
2009: no first
2010: AB at 19 = very good pick
2011: Jajuan Johnson = awful but at 27
2012: Sully at 19 = good ; melo at 20 = awful
2013: Olynyk at 13 = decent
2014: I think smarts good jury's out on young but really to early to judge.

So in the range you suggest it's only fair to grade
06,07,08,10,11,12,13
A 7 year span.

Despite picking nearly exclusively in the back half of the first he's managed to pick up a lot of cery nice players. I'd say he had a good track record since '06

Let's take 2011 as an example of how good a drafter Danny is??

JaJuan awful but at 27 you say so don't blame Danny--you know who was drafted after JaJuan??---Jimmy Butler, Cory Joseph, Chandler Parson, Lavoy Allen, Isaiah Thomas, Norris Cole---I guess Danny just had a bad year!

Question is, who was drafted before DA drafted JaJuan?  My guess is the guys you mentioned are better than many of those guys too. 

Every year guys will fall through the cracks.  Missing out on them isn't a crime.  If the teams that drafted the guys you mentioned also had a first round pick, I am betting that in most cases their second pick was better than their first.  Are they geniuses or did they simply get lucky?

Many of those you mention were solid picks, look it up, all were better than Jajuan.  Chandler Parsons for one has gone on record as saying he was shocked the C's passed on him.  He had his best workout for the C's and he grew up a neighbor of Doc's.  Wouldn't it be nice to have Chandler Parsons or Jimmy Butler about now, but Danny picked Jajuan Johnson?? One of the stupidest draft picks ever.  I'm sorry James Young where he was drafted may rival Jajuan for an awful pick.

[Boris Badenov]

This is how Ainge drafts though and why he's a good drafter.  Some work out and some players have to develop.

Before you go claiming Ainge is a good drafter, take a good look at all the Celtics draft picks beginning in 2006, including the obvious drafted-to-trade picks (In other words, Olynyk counts as a Celtics draft pick, but Marshon Brooks doesn't).  That's a 10 year stretch.

2006: rondo at 21 = great pick
2007: turns #5 into Ray Allen --> great work
2008: jr giddens (garbage but pick #30)
2009: no first
2010: AB at 19 = very good pick
2011: Jajuan Johnson = awful but at 27
2012: Sully at 19 = good ; melo at 20 = awful
2013: Olynyk at 13 = decent
2014: I think smarts good jury's out on young but really to early to judge.

So in the range you suggest it's only fair to grade
06,07,08,10,11,12,13
A 7 year span.

Despite picking nearly exclusively in the back half of the first he's managed to pick up a lot of cery nice players. I'd say he had a good track record since '06

Let's take 2011 as an example of how good a drafter Danny is??

JaJuan awful but at 27 you say so don't blame Danny--you know who was drafted after JaJuan??---Jimmy Butler, Cory Joseph, Chandler Parson, Lavoy Allen, Isaiah Thomas, Norris Cole---I guess Danny just had a bad year!

Question is, who was drafted before DA drafted JaJuan?  My guess is the guys you mentioned are better than many of those guys too. 

Every year guys will fall through the cracks.  Missing out on them isn't a crime.  If the teams that drafted the guys you mentioned also had a first round pick, I am betting that in most cases their second pick was better than their first.  Are they geniuses or did they simply get lucky?

Many of those you mention were solid picks, look it up, all were better than Jajuan.  Chandler Parsons for one has gone on record as saying he was shocked the C's passed on him.  He had his best workout for the C's and he grew up a neighbor of Doc's.  Wouldn't it be nice to have Chandler Parsons or Jimmy Butler about now, but Danny picked Jajuan Johnson?? One of the stupidest draft picks ever.  I'm sorry James Young where he was drafted may rival Jajuan for an awful pick.

If you're curious I posted a pretty detailed assessment of Ainge's draft performance a while back.

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=65996.msg1502948#msg1502948

In the event that you don't feel like reading, I'll quote the general approach from that post here, because it has some humor value given the argument you're making:

My approach here is pretty simple. Because Danny's draft position has varied over time, I think the best benchmark of his performance is how the guys he's chosen have done vs. the guys who were chosen right after the guys he picked.

I've argued this out before, but this is a more reasonable thing to do than to ask whether *any* player drafted after Danny's pick turned out to be better. (I call this the "Chandler Parsons Fallacy"). If you evaluate any GM this way he will look awful, because hindsight is 20/20.

[Scintan]

You confuse me

Then let me try to clarify. 

It's useless for you to jump into the discussion if you aren't going to be objective with your posts, and you clearly were not being objective with your post.

[Scintan]

If you're curious I posted a pretty detailed assessment of Ainge's draft performance a while back.

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=65996.msg1502948#msg1502948

In the event that you don't feel like reading, I'll quote the general approach from that post here, because it has some humor value given the argument you're making:

My approach here is pretty simple. Because Danny's draft position has varied over time, I think the best benchmark of his performance is how the guys he's chosen have done vs. the guys who were chosen right after the guys he picked.

I've argued this out before, but this is a more reasonable thing to do than to ask whether *any* player drafted after Danny's pick turned out to be better. (I call this the "Chandler Parsons Fallacy"). If you evaluate any GM this way he will look awful, because hindsight is 20/20.

Your evaluation method is poor, which makes your analysis useless.

[feckless]

This is how Ainge drafts though and why he's a good drafter.  Some work out and some players have to develop.

Before you go claiming Ainge is a good drafter, take a good look at all the Celtics draft picks beginning in 2006, including the obvious drafted-to-trade picks (In other words, Olynyk counts as a Celtics draft pick, but Marshon Brooks doesn't).  That's a 10 year stretch.

2006: rondo at 21 = great pick
2007: turns #5 into Ray Allen --> great work
2008: jr giddens (garbage but pick #30)
2009: no first
2010: AB at 19 = very good pick
2011: Jajuan Johnson = awful but at 27
2012: Sully at 19 = good ; melo at 20 = awful
2013: Olynyk at 13 = decent
2014: I think smarts good jury's out on young but really to early to judge.

So in the range you suggest it's only fair to grade
06,07,08,10,11,12,13
A 7 year span.

Despite picking nearly exclusively in the back half of the first he's managed to pick up a lot of cery nice players. I'd say he had a good track record since '06

Let's take 2011 as an example of how good a drafter Danny is??

JaJuan awful but at 27 you say so don't blame Danny--you know who was drafted after JaJuan??---Jimmy Butler, Cory Joseph, Chandler Parson, Lavoy Allen, Isaiah Thomas, Norris Cole---I guess Danny just had a bad year!

Question is, who was drafted before DA drafted JaJuan?  My guess is the guys you mentioned are better than many of those guys too. 

Every year guys will fall through the cracks.  Missing out on them isn't a crime.  If the teams that drafted the guys you mentioned also had a first round pick, I am betting that in most cases their second pick was better than their first.  Are they geniuses or did they simply get lucky?

Many of those you mention were solid picks, look it up, all were better than Jajuan.  Chandler Parsons for one has gone on record as saying he was shocked the C's passed on him.  He had his best workout for the C's and he grew up a neighbor of Doc's.  Wouldn't it be nice to have Chandler Parsons or Jimmy Butler about now, but Danny picked Jajuan Johnson?? One of the stupidest draft picks ever.  I'm sorry James Young where he was drafted may rival Jajuan for an awful pick.

If you're curious I posted a pretty detailed assessment of Ainge's draft performance a while back.

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=65996.msg1502948#msg1502948

In the event that you don't feel like reading, I'll quote the general approach from that post here, because it has some humor value given the argument you're making:

My approach here is pretty simple. Because Danny's draft position has varied over time, I think the best benchmark of his performance is how the guys he's chosen have done vs. the guys who were chosen right after the guys he picked.

I've argued this out before, but this is a more reasonable thing to do than to ask whether *any* player drafted after Danny's pick turned out to be better. (I call this the "Chandler Parsons Fallacy"). If you evaluate any GM this way he will look awful, because hindsight is 20/20.

Ok after reading your analysis it seems Danny has on average made good picks--but it by no means shows him to be great at picking nor does it dispute just how plain awful some of his picks have been.

[Boris Badenov]

If you're curious I posted a pretty detailed assessment of Ainge's draft performance a while back.

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=65996.msg1502948#msg1502948

In the event that you don't feel like reading, I'll quote the general approach from that post here, because it has some humor value given the argument you're making:

My approach here is pretty simple. Because Danny's draft position has varied over time, I think the best benchmark of his performance is how the guys he's chosen have done vs. the guys who were chosen right after the guys he picked.

I've argued this out before, but this is a more reasonable thing to do than to ask whether *any* player drafted after Danny's pick turned out to be better. (I call this the "Chandler Parsons Fallacy"). If you evaluate any GM this way he will look awful, because hindsight is 20/20.

Your evaluation method is poor, which makes your analysis useless.

Well now, that is one convincing logical argument. Talk about backing up your position with facts and analysis. How ever could I have been so misguided?

[dreamgreen]

All I can say is WOW! Lot of experts on here - bad foot work, doesn't watch film, can't go right, off balanced, lost, low IQ ...

Not sure if the kid is going to be a player or not. He has gotten off to slow starts and last night like the rest of the team couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat. Next game he will go for 30 and everyone will flip flop hahaha.

Summer league is a horrible way to judge anyone, it's chaos, means nothing IMO. Let's give him a little more time, preseason will mean a lot more to me.