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Re: David Aldridge on C's (trade idea, thoughts)
« Reply #15 on: June 29, 2015, 07:20:28 PM »

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They trade Michael Carter-Williams because he can't shoot and trade for Marcus Smart? That's only a marginal upgrade.   (And it's an upgrade, meaning Philly won't do it.)

Re: David Aldridge on C's (trade idea, thoughts)
« Reply #16 on: June 29, 2015, 07:54:26 PM »

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I have a better trade for Boston.


How about we trade Sully and AB to the Cavs

For

LeBron James .















 :D
they would have to include a lot more in that package for that to work.  ;D

Yeah, i'm thinking we'd have to add Gerald Wallace for sure, and might even have to throw in Marcus Thornton...but I feel like that's too much if all we're getting back is Lebron, you know?

Maybe we can throw in a second round pick from next year and convince them to send us Lebron and Kyrie?  ;D

Re: David Aldridge on C's (trade idea, thoughts)
« Reply #17 on: June 29, 2015, 08:13:01 PM »

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They trade Michael Carter-Williams because he can't shoot and trade for Marcus Smart? That's only a marginal upgrade.   (And it's an upgrade, meaning Philly won't do it.)

Marcus Smart can shoot.  He shot 33.5% from three last season which (for a rookie guard who was supposed to not be able to shoot) is pretty good - especially given the large sample size (he took over 4 attempts per game). 

By comparison look at some other guards who have come in to the NBA with the expectation of not being able to shoot, and see how they shot from three in their rookie years:

* Dennis Schroeder shot 23.8%
* Phil Pressey shot 24.6%
* Dante Exum shot 31.4%
* Elfrid Payton shot 26.2%
* Michael Carter Williams shot 26.4%

Dante Exum is the only guy in that group of 5 who came even close to shooting a respectable percentage, and I'd say he was seen as being a similar caliber shooter to Smart at draft time (not a BAD shooter, just inconsistent with his shooting form).  But even then Exum took half as many attempts as Smart and still shot a significantly lower percentage.

Past history tells me that if Marcus Smart has shot 33.5% form three in his rookie year on over 4 attempts per game, then he's going to become a pretty good shooter.   I expect Smart to eventually be at least a 35% - 36% shooter from three which is not a far stretch given how much most players improve their shooting percentages after their rookie years.

In fact right now, three point shooting is the LAST thing I'm worried about with Smart.  My bigger concern is his ability to score in other ways - on drives to the basket, from midrange, floaters, etc.  Last season 57% of all shots came from three, with the next most (17.6%) coming from inside 3 feet where he actually shot a pretty respectable (for a rookie guard) 56%.  He also had a pretty respectable free throw rate of 26.6% - not incredibly high but again, promising for a rookie guard.

But Avery Bradley is seen by many people here as a 3+D guy, and he shot higher percentages than Smart inside 3 feet (61.2% vs 56%), from 3-10 feet (39.2% vs 25.6%), from 16 feet ot 3 point (43.1% vs 29.5%) and from three (35.2% vs 33.5%).

The only area on the court where Smart shot better was from 12-16 feet (35.6% for Bradley,
38.2% for Smart).

Also only 34.8% of Bradley's FGA were threes (his previous high was 26.4%, so that was easilly a high for him) while a whopping 57.0% of Smart's FGA were threes. 

This gives me some feat that Smart may not develop into anything more than a pure 3+D player (a Derek Fisher 2.0) role player.  Hopefully he can prove me wrong ad add more to his game than that.
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Re: David Aldridge on C's (trade idea, thoughts)
« Reply #18 on: June 29, 2015, 08:17:05 PM »

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Based on team needs the trade makes sense. I'm just not sure I'm sold on Noel. His injury risks and attitude scare me a bit. It would be pretty cool to have a local guy on the team though and his strengths are exactly what this team needs.

What is it about Noel's attitude that scares you? I haven't heard anything about his "attitude." As for injuries, he was pretty healthy last year, wasn't he?

Re: David Aldridge on C's (trade idea, thoughts)
« Reply #19 on: June 29, 2015, 08:17:44 PM »

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Based on team needs the trade makes sense. I'm just not sure I'm sold on Noel. His injury risks and attitude scare me a bit. It would be pretty cool to have a local guy on the team though and his strengths are exactly what this team needs.

What concerns you about his attitude?
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Re: David Aldridge on C's (trade idea, thoughts)
« Reply #20 on: June 29, 2015, 08:18:29 PM »

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I could live with that trade idea.

Yeah, with Monroe reportedly being very interested in NYK, I am not so sure we have many other options for big guys. I would love to have Noel, but would miss Smart and the potential of Young. We do need to consolidate the roster, though, and this seems like the most logical move.

Add a guy like Harris into the mix at SF and I would be pretty satisfied with our summer. I know very little about Rozier, but just watching the way he moves on the court gets me excited.

I like this trade a lot. Not sure if it's all the talk on Celtics Blog but I am actually pretty excited about possibly acquiring Noel.

He's a young, defensive talented center and with so much room to get better.

James Young is nothing more than an after thought for me as I don't think he's that good.

Re: David Aldridge on C's (trade idea, thoughts)
« Reply #21 on: June 29, 2015, 08:18:43 PM »

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Noel is fantastic and I would definitely trade Smart for him. And I am a huge fan of Smart.
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Re: David Aldridge on C's (trade idea, thoughts)
« Reply #22 on: June 29, 2015, 08:21:48 PM »

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Based on team needs the trade makes sense. I'm just not sure I'm sold on Noel. His injury risks and attitude scare me a bit. It would be pretty cool to have a local guy on the team though and his strengths are exactly what this team needs.

What concerns you about his attitude?

Chad Ford made some comments in a podcast recently about Noel having attitude problems. Ford didn't go into any detail though. I'd love to know what he was talking about.

I haven't seen anything elsewhere about Noel having character problems.

Re: David Aldridge on C's (trade idea, thoughts)
« Reply #23 on: June 29, 2015, 08:37:20 PM »

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Based on team needs the trade makes sense. I'm just not sure I'm sold on Noel. His injury risks and attitude scare me a bit. It would be pretty cool to have a local guy on the team though and his strengths are exactly what this team needs.

What concerns you about his attitude?

Chad Ford made some comments in a podcast recently about Noel having attitude problems. Ford didn't go into any detail though. I'd love to know what he was talking about.

I haven't seen anything elsewhere about Noel having character problems.

Chad Ford had bad stuff to say about him before he was drafted because he hadn't hired an agent yet. Chad Ford probably just doesn't like his agent or something. I remember reading somewhere that Chad Ford just does favors for agents. I think Chad Ford has character problems considering he edited his draft boards after seeing how the players turned out. I don't take Chad Ford seriously.
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Re: David Aldridge on C's (trade idea, thoughts)
« Reply #24 on: June 29, 2015, 08:37:58 PM »

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I've never heard any complaints about Noel's attitude either. 

IIRC one of his biggest plus sides in all his draft scouting reports was that he had a great attitude, a hard worker, and had an incredibly high motor.

If there are any reports of attitude issues, this is news to me.

Re: David Aldridge on C's (trade idea, thoughts)
« Reply #25 on: June 29, 2015, 08:40:16 PM »

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Based on team needs the trade makes sense. I'm just not sure I'm sold on Noel. His injury risks and attitude scare me a bit. It would be pretty cool to have a local guy on the team though and his strengths are exactly what this team needs.

What concerns you about his attitude?

Chad Ford made some comments in a podcast recently about Noel having attitude problems. Ford didn't go into any detail though. I'd love to know what he was talking about.

I haven't seen anything elsewhere about Noel having character problems.


Yeah but if he did, wouldn't you if you had to play for Philly? :D

Re: David Aldridge on C's (trade idea, thoughts)
« Reply #26 on: June 29, 2015, 08:42:41 PM »

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Nobody outside of Chad Ford has said anything bad about Noel's attitude. I don't value Chad Ford's credibility. Therefore I don't believe Noel has a bad attitude.
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Re: David Aldridge on C's (trade idea, thoughts)
« Reply #27 on: June 29, 2015, 09:15:59 PM »

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I wonder if they would take Rozier instead of Smart.  He seems more like a typical Philly guard, too.

lol so they're gonna take the #16 pick that was a reach in this draft for the what? #6 pick that's already got 2 years of experience AND is a rim protector? cmon man.

we aren't getting Love, we aren't getting Monroe, we aren't getting any elite free agent (which I've been saying since I joined the forum and was immediately given crap for, but that's neither here nor there)

be happy if we actually are able to overpay for Tobias and land him.  at least he's young enough to still potentially develop into something special, and grow with the other young guys on the squad.  any one else of impact signed beyond Harris would be a bonus.   and if we add Noel and land a 22 year old, 4 year experienced 3 that can play 3 positions and is still growing, and a 22 year old rim protector who could have been his class' #1 overall pick?  that's an offseason you have to sign up for as a Celtics fan

Re: David Aldridge on C's (trade idea, thoughts)
« Reply #28 on: June 29, 2015, 09:30:17 PM »

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They trade Michael Carter-Williams because he can't shoot and trade for Marcus Smart? That's only a marginal upgrade.   (And it's an upgrade, meaning Philly won't do it.)

Marcus Smart can shoot.  He shot 33.5% from three last season which (for a rookie guard who was supposed to not be able to shoot) is pretty good - especially given the large sample size (he took over 4 attempts per game). 

By comparison look at some other guards who have come in to the NBA with the expectation of not being able to shoot, and see how they shot from three in their rookie years:

* Dennis Schroeder shot 23.8%
* Phil Pressey shot 24.6%
* Dante Exum shot 31.4%
* Elfrid Payton shot 26.2%
* Michael Carter Williams shot 26.4%

Dante Exum is the only guy in that group of 5 who came even close to shooting a respectable percentage, and I'd say he was seen as being a similar caliber shooter to Smart at draft time (not a BAD shooter, just inconsistent with his shooting form).  But even then Exum took half as many attempts as Smart and still shot a significantly lower percentage.

Past history tells me that if Marcus Smart has shot 33.5% form three in his rookie year on over 4 attempts per game, then he's going to become a pretty good shooter.   I expect Smart to eventually be at least a 35% - 36% shooter from three which is not a far stretch given how much most players improve their shooting percentages after their rookie years.

In fact right now, three point shooting is the LAST thing I'm worried about with Smart.  My bigger concern is his ability to score in other ways - on drives to the basket, from midrange, floaters, etc.  Last season 57% of all shots came from three, with the next most (17.6%) coming from inside 3 feet where he actually shot a pretty respectable (for a rookie guard) 56%.  He also had a pretty respectable free throw rate of 26.6% - not incredibly high but again, promising for a rookie guard.

But Avery Bradley is seen by many people here as a 3+D guy, and he shot higher percentages than Smart inside 3 feet (61.2% vs 56%), from 3-10 feet (39.2% vs 25.6%), from 16 feet ot 3 point (43.1% vs 29.5%) and from three (35.2% vs 33.5%).

The only area on the court where Smart shot better was from 12-16 feet (35.6% for Bradley,
38.2% for Smart).

Also only 34.8% of Bradley's FGA were threes (his previous high was 26.4%, so that was easilly a high for him) while a whopping 57.0% of Smart's FGA were threes. 

This gives me some feat that Smart may not develop into anything more than a pure 3+D player (a Derek Fisher 2.0) role player.  Hopefully he can prove me wrong ad add more to his game than that.

When I said shooting, I meant scoring, as in every shot attempt is a shot. Sorry for the lack of clarification, but I just found out that Smart shot worse (percentage-wise) from the field than Carter-Williams. (Smart shot just over 36% while Carter-Williams shot just over 39%).

I actually agree with you 100% in that Smart needs to show a more diverse repertoire scoring-wise. When I said Carter-Williams and Smart can't shoot, I meant that they can't score in a variety of ways. In Carter-Williams' sense, it was the traditional thought- his lack of a jumper limits his offensive moves. In Smart's case, however, his lack of anything outside of a long-range bomb was what concerned me. So yeah, I agree with pretty much everything you said (although I have a more optimistic outlook on Smart's ability to add to his game). My bad for the ambiguous statement.

Re: David Aldridge on C's (trade idea, thoughts)
« Reply #29 on: June 30, 2015, 05:44:39 AM »

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I have a better trade for Boston.


How about we trade Sully and AB to the Cavs

For

LeBron James .















 :D

Now, that's a deal!  ;D