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Hibbert and Zeller
« on: June 22, 2015, 11:26:31 AM »

Offline drogbagarnett

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Given the fact that Indiana is set to move away from Hibbert in their rotation and he is likely to opt in for another 14 million before the increase in cap, how about this Draft day trade with the Indiana Pacers:
Hibbert (14m) and #11 for Zeller, Wallace and #16

Indiana : Zeller is the type of center they are trying to get quickness and shooting... Plus he is from the area... from 11 to 16 they drop but can still get a Portis or Lyles with good upside for their frontcourt and get into a win now mode. Plus they are saving almost 3 million that can always help.

Boston : Get into the lottery at #11 for a chance to get Causley Stein or Miles Turner (as rumored) and get rid of Wallace... It cost us Zeller who I really like as a back up center!! But if Miles Turner confirm his potential this could be a referred to as a great trade! We also get a reclamation project who Brad Stevens can turn back into a great shot blocker with a nice mid range shot in limited min...

A second rounder from either team to sweeten the pot as needed and you got yourself a deal to trade into the lottery...

I have a strong beleive such a trade could happen on Thursday, just hope I didn't jinx it by posting it here... lol!

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Re: Hibbert and Zeller
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2015, 11:44:08 AM »

Offline BudweiserCeltic

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No interest in Hibbert.
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Re: Hibbert and Zeller
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2015, 11:50:17 AM »

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No Hibbert please. Dude looks like he's gonna fall apart every minute he plays
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Re: Hibbert and Zeller
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2015, 11:54:00 AM »

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It's an interesting trade because of the #11 draft pick, but I just don't care for Hibbert and prefer to avoid him.

Of all the Hibbert trade scenarios I've seen, this one is the most I would be willing to go for, but I just don't have much interest in him, plus it reduces our buying power this Summer some.
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Re: Hibbert and Zeller
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2015, 12:34:53 PM »

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Quote from: drogbagarnett on June 22, 2015, 11:26:31 AM
Given the fact that Indiana is set to move away from Hibbert in their rotation and he is likely to opt in for another 14 million before the increase in cap, how about this Draft day trade with the Indiana Pacers:
Hibbert (14m) and #11 for Zeller, Wallace and #16

Indiana : Zeller is the type of center they are trying to get quickness and shooting... Plus he is from the area... from 11 to 16 they drop but can still get a Portis or Lyles with good upside for their frontcourt and get into a win now mode. Plus they are saving almost 3 million that can always help.

Boston : Get into the lottery at #11 for a chance to get Causley Stein or Miles Turner (as rumored) and get rid of Wallace... It cost us Zeller who I really like as a back up center!! But if Miles Turner confirm his potential this could be a referred to as a great trade! We also get a reclamation project who Brad Stevens can turn back into a great shot blocker with a nice mid range shot in limited min...

A second rounder from either team to sweeten the pot as needed and you got yourself a deal to trade into the lottery...

I have a strong beleive such a trade could happen on Thursday, just hope I didn't jinx it by posting it here... lol!

I would jump over this deal if it would happen.  Gives us a legit center now and in the future.  But I only do it if Willie Cauley Stein is available at the 11.
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Re: Hibbert and Zeller
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2015, 01:15:54 PM »

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Willy Causley-Stein is actually available at 11 on both Draftexpress and NBAdraft...
so I would definitely be interested! both him and Turner are worth doing this trade for I think...
Don't understand people commenting on Hibbert value...
It's an expiring! Instead of having Wallace on street clothes on the bench you add a player that can at least be a serviceable shot blocker in very limited min for just one year (or half a year if you can move him at the tread deadline...) I dont see wallace reestablishing his value but with Hibbert at least we can hope Brad can work his magic and if not then it expires at the end of the year and we move on with Causley-Stein or Turner in Celtics green!!!
This deal is so obvious I dont know who says no!!
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Re: Hibbert and Zeller
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2015, 01:29:09 PM »

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Trying to look at this from Indiana's perspective, why not just trade Hibbert for Wallace and Zeller? It still seems like a reasonable deal for both teams. Then, I just use 11 to draft either WCS or Turner, whoever falls to me. Boston will have to get another center from either the draft (unlikely unless they move up or take a chance on Upshaw) or sign an FA like Koufos or Biyombo.
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Re: Hibbert and Zeller
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2015, 01:46:46 PM »

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Quote from: drogbagarnett on June 22, 2015, 01:15:54 PM
Willy Causley-Stein is actually available at 11 on both Draftexpress and NBAdraft...
so I would definitely be interested! both him and Turner are worth doing this trade for I think...
Don't understand people commenting on Hibbert value...
It's an expiring! Instead of having Wallace on street clothes on the bench you add a player that can at least be a serviceable shot blocker in very limited min for just one year (or half a year if you can move him at the tread deadline...) I dont see wallace reestablishing his value but with Hibbert at least we can hope Brad can work his magic and if not then it expires at the end of the year and we move on with Causley-Stein or Turner in Celtics green!!!
This deal is so obvious I dont know who says no!!
The thing about Wallace vs. Hibbert is the ease with which you can stretch his contract if needed during free-agency. Might not need to, but I think that's a valuable option to have in a Summer where the Celtics buying power will be high, compared to potentially very low next Summer (because everyone will have cap space). That said, Hibbert is more tradeable and should be easier to dump.

Now if there's a player we really like at #11, then go for it. I'm not enamored with blindly trading to that pick without some assurances that the player we want/like is there.

Let me put it this way, if the idea behind this trade is to acquire Hibbert, then I'm not a fan. If the idea is to grab a player we're after at #11, I see little problem with it.
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Re: Hibbert and Zeller
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2015, 01:58:46 PM »

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This trade proposal, while interesting and thought provoking, is only pie in the sky because of the draft pick exchange. Someone has to make a case why Indiana needs to swap draft positions with us instead of a straight players trade. Right now, I don't see it but I would loved to be convinced because it would be a great deal for us.
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Re: Hibbert and Zeller
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2015, 02:05:17 PM »

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Quote from: Irish Stew on June 22, 2015, 01:58:46 PM
This trade proposal, while interesting and thought provoking, is only pie in the sky because of the draft pick exchange. Someone has to make a case why Indiana needs to swap draft positions with us instead of a straight players trade. Right now, I don't see it but I would loved to be convinced because it would be a great deal for us.

I already made the point of why I don't like Hibbert, so you're working on the assumption that the Celtics are interested in Hibbert the player and his contract, which I don't think that's the case. And Indiana is certainly not interested in Hibbert.

So, why not make this a straight up player swap it's because no one is really interested in Hibbert. It's all about the picks and the financials.

The pick swap is in compensation for the salary cap relief Indiana would get, and a younger Center who runs the floor who the Pacers seem to be looking for.
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Re: Hibbert and Zeller
« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2015, 02:09:39 PM »

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I can't help but feel like you have an inside source.  Spill it lol.
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Re: Hibbert and Zeller
« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2015, 03:27:30 PM »

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Quote from: BudweiserCeltic on June 22, 2015, 02:05:17 PM
Quote from: Irish Stew on June 22, 2015, 01:58:46 PM
This trade proposal, while interesting and thought provoking, is only pie in the sky because of the draft pick exchange. Someone has to make a case why Indiana needs to swap draft positions with us instead of a straight players trade. Right now, I don't see it but I would loved to be convinced because it would be a great deal for us.

I already made the point of why I don't like Hibbert, so you're working on the assumption that the Celtics are interested in Hibbert the player and his contract, which I don't think that's the case. And Indiana is certainly not interested in Hibbert.

So, why not make this a straight up player swap it's because no one is really interested in Hibbert. It's all about the picks and the financials.

The pick swap is in compensation for the salary cap relief Indiana would get, and a younger Center who runs the floor who the Pacers seem to be looking for.
I disagree. If Ainge acquires Hibbert it is to give him the opportunity to have a one year tryout to resurrect his career at the age of 28. His contract should not be confused with the bag of balls contract that is Gerald Wallace. There is more than a slight possibility that the Celtics come out of this with a solid starting center that they can sign after next year. If not, they just let him walk like they would have done with Wallace. That is the Celtics max upside in this deal. Indiana's max upside is that, in Zeller, they have a good backup center or stopgap starter until they draft one. Those two upsides are reasonably equal. The draft pick swap makes this deal lopsided in the Celtics favor and I doubt that Larry would be interested in doing this. Adding to this is the possibility that Turner or WCS may slide to them at 11, but neither will make it to 16. Is this worth $3 million in cap relief? 
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Re: Hibbert and Zeller
« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2015, 03:45:25 PM »

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Quote from: Irish Stew on June 22, 2015, 03:27:30 PM
Quote from: BudweiserCeltic on June 22, 2015, 02:05:17 PM
Quote from: Irish Stew on June 22, 2015, 01:58:46 PM
This trade proposal, while interesting and thought provoking, is only pie in the sky because of the draft pick exchange. Someone has to make a case why Indiana needs to swap draft positions with us instead of a straight players trade. Right now, I don't see it but I would loved to be convinced because it would be a great deal for us.

I already made the point of why I don't like Hibbert, so you're working on the assumption that the Celtics are interested in Hibbert the player and his contract, which I don't think that's the case. And Indiana is certainly not interested in Hibbert.

So, why not make this a straight up player swap it's because no one is really interested in Hibbert. It's all about the picks and the financials.

The pick swap is in compensation for the salary cap relief Indiana would get, and a younger Center who runs the floor who the Pacers seem to be looking for.
I disagree. If Ainge acquires Hibbert it is to give him the opportunity to have a one year tryout to resurrect his career at the age of 28. His contract should not be confused with the bag of balls contract that is Gerald Wallace. There is more than a slight possibility that the Celtics come out of this with a solid starting center that they can sign after next year. If not, they just let him walk like they would have done with Wallace. That is the Celtics max upside in this deal. Indiana's max upside is that, in Zeller, they have a good backup center or stopgap starter until they draft one. Those two upsides are reasonably equal. The draft pick swap makes this deal lopsided in the Celtics favor and I doubt that Larry would be interested in doing this. Adding to this is the possibility that Turner or WCS may slide to them at 11, but neither will make it to 16. Is this worth $3 million in cap relief?
They can stretch Wallace and have more cap relief too. This is a good idea to for DA to float.
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Re: Hibbert and Zeller
« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2015, 07:31:07 PM »

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Quote from: Irish Stew on June 22, 2015, 03:27:30 PM
Quote from: BudweiserCeltic on June 22, 2015, 02:05:17 PM
Quote from: Irish Stew on June 22, 2015, 01:58:46 PM
This trade proposal, while interesting and thought provoking, is only pie in the sky because of the draft pick exchange. Someone has to make a case why Indiana needs to swap draft positions with us instead of a straight players trade. Right now, I don't see it but I would loved to be convinced because it would be a great deal for us.

I already made the point of why I don't like Hibbert, so you're working on the assumption that the Celtics are interested in Hibbert the player and his contract, which I don't think that's the case. And Indiana is certainly not interested in Hibbert.

So, why not make this a straight up player swap it's because no one is really interested in Hibbert. It's all about the picks and the financials.

The pick swap is in compensation for the salary cap relief Indiana would get, and a younger Center who runs the floor who the Pacers seem to be looking for.
I disagree. If Ainge acquires Hibbert it is to give him the opportunity to have a one year tryout to resurrect his career at the age of 28. His contract should not be confused with the bag of balls contract that is Gerald Wallace. There is more than a slight possibility that the Celtics come out of this with a solid starting center that they can sign after next year. If not, they just let him walk like they would have done with Wallace. That is the Celtics max upside in this deal. Indiana's max upside is that, in Zeller, they have a good backup center or stopgap starter until they draft one. Those two upsides are reasonably equal. The draft pick swap makes this deal lopsided in the Celtics favor and I doubt that Larry would be interested in doing this. Adding to this is the possibility that Turner or WCS may slide to them at 11, but neither will make it to 16. Is this worth $3 million in cap relief?
The real question here is would you rather have draft #11 and a disgruntled 14m bench warmer or draft #16 and a perfect local young center for your new system in Zeller and a strectchable 10m or at least a good lockerroom vet...?
I would even add an early second rounder of next year for their trouble if needed...

So is it worth 3 million AND Zeller and a 2nd rounder?


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Re: Hibbert and Zeller
« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2015, 07:35:32 PM »

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Physically and mentally weak or unstable .

Only has the above capacities for limited minutes on a court ......as a backup.......

Would be too much money for him as back up right now .
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