Knicks work out Mid 1st rd prospects, could C's be selecting for them?

[Ilikesports17]

Golden state did not bottom out for 5 years. They were incidentally bad to get curry then mediocre to get klay then tanked for 1 year to get Barnes. Adding bogut lee(not so much) iggy and livingstone were all shrewd moves then they drafted draymod green in rd 2 and ezeli late in the first.

The reason the GS model is flawed is that they got the MVP at pick 6 and Klay at 11 and another stud in the second round. That is not repeatable. Boston could easily ove up to the 10-12 range this year, but smart whoever you get at 10-12 and pick 33 will almost certainly not be as good as green Steph and klay

[Csfan1984]

Golden state did not bottom out for 5 years. They were incidentally bad to get curry then mediocre to get klay then tanked for 1 year to get Barnes. Adding bogut lee(not so much) iggy and livingstone were all shrewd moves then they drafted draymod green in rd 2 and ezeli late in the first.

The reason the GS model is flawed is that they got the MVP at pick 6 and Klay at 11 and another stud in the second round. That is not repeatable. Boston could easily ove up to the 10-12 range this year, but smart whoever you get at 10-12 and pick 33 will almost certainly not be as good as green Steph and klay

So what 4 years.... Point is they sucked a while not one year. Also it helps when you have Wolves drafting 2x in front of you to land a MVP.

[gpap]

Folks, the Knicks thing isn't happening.

Sorry to tell you.

There's a story about how D'Angelo Russell doesn't want to play for the Sixers so chances are the Sixers will draft Porzingis.
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/06/21/report-buzz-around-nba-is-that-dangelo-russell-doesnt-want-to-play-for-sixers/

The Knicks will only consider trading the pick if Towns, Okafor and Russell are off the board.

Well, I gotta felling Russell will fall to the Knicks at 4.

There's also this story about how it sounds like Russell would much rather play for the Knicks.
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/06/21/dangelo-russell-says-i-can-definitely-thrive-in-triangle-offense/

Even if Sixers do draft Russell, I just don't understand the logic in the Knicks trading down if they can pick up Winslow, Cauley Stein, Porzingis or Stanley Johnson.

They have plenty of cap space to go after free agents.

[ThaPreacher]

Bradley and 28 to Denver for 7th pick.
Sullinger and 16 to Detroit for 8th pick.

Danny hopes that Sac drafts Cauley-Stein.  A combination of Winslow, Hezonja, Mudiay.


Ah draft day dreams

[rondohondo]

Being able to sign 2 Max players by clearing salary would be Danny's main motive--and he also would be able to draft a top talent---it would be brilliant....If we could add LMA and K.Love + one of Russell/Winslow/WCS....Who cares about giving up Sullinger and Bradley--?

Yes, we could have a roster of

PG: Smart                       / IT
SG: Winslow                   /Young
SF: Crowder                   / Turner
PF: Aldridge or Love       / KO
 C: Monroe                     / Zeller

That is easily a 50+ win team/ top 3 in east , with plenty of room to grow. We would still have all our picks and Brooklyn's picks coming in the next 3 years, and with cap rising could sign another max in 2016 with cap room to spare

[Vermont Green]

I just don't understand the logic in the Knicks trading down if they can pick up Winslow, Cauley Stein, Porzingis or Stanley Johnson.

I believe that the thinking is that 19 year old rookies, even top ones, take a few years to develop.  The Knicks have Melo and need to put players around him now.  That is why cashing in this valuable pick for contributing players now and future picks later is a reasonable strategy.  Kind of the same thinking by Cleveland when they included Wiggins in the trade for Love.  They are not trading to trade down.  That is not the point.

You seem awfully confident in your "this won't happen" position which is fine, none of us know what is going to happen but it doesn't seem too hard to understand the logic of why the Knicks would explore trading the pick.  They may regret it just like the Cavs may regret trading Wiggins but the #4 pick could also turn out to be a bust and not do them any good at all.

If I was NYK, I would trade the pick, assuming at least one rotation player is added to the team and that I get a decent future pick or picks.  Ideally, I would then trade the future pick next year for another player that can help me know.  Again, if I am the Knicks, I am not doing this to trade down.  I am doing this for the players that I get who can contribute right away.

[jambr380]

Being able to sign 2 Max players by clearing salary would be Danny's main motive--and he also would be able to draft a top talent---it would be brilliant....If we could add LMA and K.Love + one of Russell/Winslow/WCS....Who cares about giving up Sullinger and Bradley--?

Yes, we could have a roster of

PG: Smart                       / IT
SG: Winslow                   /Young
SF: Crowder                   / Turner
PF: Aldridge or Love       / KO
 C: Monroe                     / Zeller

That is easily a 50+ win team/ top 3 in east , with plenty of room to grow. We would still have all our picks and Brooklyn's picks coming in the next 3 years, and with cap rising could sign another max in 2016 with cap room to spare

Love the thought of that team, but have to assume that Aldridge/Love/Monroe would all be pretty bummed if we traded AB and Sully (as well as other players/picks) for a rookie.

[celticsfan8591]

Folks, the Knicks thing isn't happening.

Sorry to tell you.

There's a story about how D'Angelo Russell doesn't want to play for the Sixers so chances are the Sixers will draft Porzingis.
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/06/21/report-buzz-around-nba-is-that-dangelo-russell-doesnt-want-to-play-for-sixers/

The Knicks will only consider trading the pick if Towns, Okafor and Russell are off the board.

Well, I gotta felling Russell will fall to the Knicks at 4.

There's also this story about how it sounds like Russell would much rather play for the Knicks.
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/06/21/dangelo-russell-says-i-can-definitely-thrive-in-triangle-offense/

Even if Sixers do draft Russell, I just don't understand the logic in the Knicks trading down if they can pick up Winslow, Cauley Stein, Porzingis or Stanley Johnson.

They have plenty of cap space to go after free agents.

Considering how little criticism from the media and rest of the league has deterred Hinkie from pursuing his tanking strategy, he doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who would kowtow to the demands of a rookie.  He could very well think Kristaps is a better prospect and take him 3rd anyway, but I don't think Russell stating his preference to play elsewhere will be a factor.  That said, I do think us trading all the way up to 4 is a long shot, but we do have some role players who could fit nicely around Melo and make the roster appear less barren to free agents.  If Philly does indeed take Russell, what about Thomas, Bradley, 16, and 28 for 4 and Calderon? 

[sawick48]

I actually had to finally make a username for this site to post this because I am just sick of reading it:  please, PLEASE, stop throwing out the fantasy that the Celtics are just going to sign ANY top free agent.  The only thing we are going to be able to do with cap space is overpay for guys to play here.  never in the history of the league has Boston signed a high impact free agent. 

These guys are all multi-millionaires that have been catered to their entire lives, in what world would someone like that CHOOSE to live in a city with miserable winters and a non-party-town-reputation such as Boston?  Personally, obviously, I love the city and the franchise, but facts are facts, it's just not a desirable destination, especially as a rebuilding/retooling franchise, and especially for young guys in their prime.  I can't believe some of you are making me paraphrase this Judas but: Kevin Love ain't walkin through that door.  LaMarcus Aldridge ain't walking through that door.  Greg Monroe may but more likely he's just going to use us to leverage all the money he can out of the Knicks.  stop it. Danny is the best GM in the league because he has to be creative, but part of the reason he's forced to be creative is because he can't just go out and sign superstars. 

We KEEP superstars once they get here.  But sign them off the street, is not, and has never been, the Celtic way.

[Ilikesports17]

I actually had to finally make a username for this site to post this because I am just sick of reading it:  please, PLEASE, stop throwing out the fantasy that the Celtics are just going to sign ANY top free agent.  The only thing we are going to be able to do with cap space is overpay for guys to play here.  never in the history of the league has Boston signed a high impact free agent. 

These guys are all multi-millionaires that have been catered to their entire lives, in what world would someone like that CHOOSE to live in a city with miserable winters and a non-party-town-reputation such as Boston?  Personally, obviously, I love the city and the franchise, but facts are facts, it's just not a desirable destination, especially as a rebuilding/retooling franchise, and especially for young guys in their prime.  I can't believe some of you are making me paraphrase this Judas but: Kevin Love ain't walkin through that door.  LaMarcus Aldridge ain't walking through that door.  Greg Monroe may but more likely he's just going to use us to leverage all the money he can out of the Knicks.  stop it. Danny is the best GM in the league because he has to be creative, but part of the reason he's forced to be creative is because he can't just go out and sign superstars. 

We KEEP superstars once they get here.  But sign them off the street, is not, and has never been, the Celtic way.

I think we have a good shot at Monroe and if he opts out, love. What's your point anyway? No we aren't New York Miami or LA but rn LA and New York suck and Miami doesn't figure to be players in fa. We aren't a terrible destination and we have a chance (even if it's small) to bring in any fa out there. It is silly to dismiss the fa route as a potential root because the celtics haven't attracted big FAs in the past.

That being said it is also silly to count on or expect a star to sign here. But the whole we never sign fas argument is a tired one and one hitch has been debunked several times on this board.   

[tarheelsxxiii]

If we get #4... and Okafor or Russell drop... I will eat my leg off and post tumblr pictures for proof. And I do not own or know what a tumblr account is. But I'd eat it, real good.

[Rida]

If we get rid of Bradley AND get a top 4 pick out of it I would be ecstatic

Couldn't agree more, I think trading bradley would be fantastic if it helps us move up

[JOMVP]

I actually had to finally make a username for this site to post this because I am just sick of reading it:  please, PLEASE, stop throwing out the fantasy that the Celtics are just going to sign ANY top free agent.  The only thing we are going to be able to do with cap space is overpay for guys to play here.  never in the history of the league has Boston signed a high impact free agent. 

These guys are all multi-millionaires that have been catered to their entire lives, in what world would someone like that CHOOSE to live in a city with miserable winters and a non-party-town-reputation such as Boston?  Personally, obviously, I love the city and the franchise, but facts are facts, it's just not a desirable destination, especially as a rebuilding/retooling franchise, and especially for young guys in their prime.  I can't believe some of you are making me paraphrase this Judas but: Kevin Love ain't walkin through that door.  LaMarcus Aldridge ain't walking through that door.  Greg Monroe may but more likely he's just going to use us to leverage all the money he can out of the Knicks.  stop it. Danny is the best GM in the league because he has to be creative, but part of the reason he's forced to be creative is because he can't just go out and sign superstars. 

We KEEP superstars once they get here.  But sign them off the street, is not, and has never been, the Celtic way.

Never, in the history of the league, has the Celtics had this kind of room under the cap to sign free agents.

[cb8883]

I actually had to finally make a username for this site to post this because I am just sick of reading it:  please, PLEASE, stop throwing out the fantasy that the Celtics are just going to sign ANY top free agent.  The only thing we are going to be able to do with cap space is overpay for guys to play here.  never in the history of the league has Boston signed a high impact free agent. 

These guys are all multi-millionaires that have been catered to their entire lives, in what world would someone like that CHOOSE to live in a city with miserable winters and a non-party-town-reputation such as Boston?  Personally, obviously, I love the city and the franchise, but facts are facts, it's just not a desirable destination, especially as a rebuilding/retooling franchise, and especially for young guys in their prime.  I can't believe some of you are making me paraphrase this Judas but: Kevin Love ain't walkin through that door.  LaMarcus Aldridge ain't walking through that door.  Greg Monroe may but more likely he's just going to use us to leverage all the money he can out of the Knicks.  stop it. Danny is the best GM in the league because he has to be creative, but part of the reason he's forced to be creative is because he can't just go out and sign superstars. 

We KEEP superstars once they get here.  But sign them off the street, is not, and has never been, the Celtic way.

Amen. This is the sermon that I've been giving here for the last few years. If we draft these stars they won't leave. If they come here via trade then they will stay. But as a free agent? Come on!!! It's never going to happen. Unless you want to max out on Harris or Middleton which would be very poor investments.

[Celtics4ever]

Never, in the history of the league, has the Celtics had this kind of room under the cap to sign free agents.

Never, in the history of the league, has the Celtics had warm good weather to offer a free agent either.

I think we get two B level free agents, we do not have the draws to get a tier 1.