Portland trade idea.

[Csfan1984]

Was thinking about Blazers situation. Injuries, bench scoring and big man depth hurt them these last playoffs. If they really want to keep LA and make a deep run they need a roster change up. Of course C's could use a good young player asset and a guy that provides cap space in 2016 to pair with Wallace coming off books.

C's trade: IT, Turner and Sully
Blazers trade: Batum, McCollum and future first.

For C's Batum is banged up (often) but has one year left. He is also a decent SF when healthy. McCollum is a promising SG prospect to backup AB. 2015 draft may end up with Payne as bpa at 16. Payne can be backup PG for C's but I prefer C's take Andrew Harrison or Rozi at 33 to play backup PG. This means C's take Portis or Lyles at 16 to replace Sully. This also allows Smart to get his true shot at running the team.

Lineup: Smart, AB, Batum, KO, Zeller
Bench: Harrison (33), McCollum, Young,  Wallace, Portis (16), Christmas (45),

Blazers over haul their bench to provide some real fire power. They are also in prime draft spot to get Anderson, RHJ, or Hunter to play SF off bench.

Lineup: Lillard, Affalo, Turner, LA, Lopez
Bench: IT, Mathews, Anderson (24), Sully, Leonard, Kaman

[GreenPride17]

Awful for the Celtics

[bigperm47]

I agree no way would I do this

[Csfan1984]

Awful for the Celtics

IT is just a six man and Turner and Sully are going into last years you won't get much for them. Batum is a starter who fits better than Turner and provides cap space at end of the year. McCollum is a nice young SG. Sure it's a step back but this team isn't extending Turner or Sully and IT only helps if you have good players that can help space the floor. Portland has the spacing and want to win now. C's need to keep building. Grab cap relief next year and two assets.

[Geo123]

Awful for the Celtics

IT is just a six man and Turner and Sully are going into last years you won't get much for them. Batum is a starter who fits better than Turner and provides cap space at end of the year. McCollum is a nice young SG. Sure it's a step back but this team isn't extending Turner or Sully and IT only helps if you have good players that can help space the floor. Portland has the spacing and want to win now. C's need to keep building. Grab cap relief next year and two assets.

IT is not just a 6th man he's also the only guy on the team that can create his own shot which is extremely critical in the NBA when the shot clock is winding down.  Plus he's on a great contract.  I wouldn't trade him unless it's an overwhleming deal and that's not at all.

[Granath]

I wonder what goes on in people's heads sometime. There's all sorts of problems with the "logic" driving this trade deal. Sully will be a RFA, so it's not like the Celtics can't keep him. Batum is going to be a UFA and costs $11m a year while Sully costs $3m this year. So if the Celtics "won't get much" for Sully and Turner, why should they give up much of anything for Batum (McCollum is simply a throw in here...career backup)? In addition, the Celtics don't need any cap relief and if they're lucky enough to need some because they're signing multiple top notch FAs, there's easier ways to do it.

As for the deal itself, it's terrible. Sully and IT are the best players in the deal by far and it's not even close. One could even argue that Turner is the 3rd best player in such a deal, though I'd give that edge to Batum. Batum, like Turner, is a marginal starter and McCollum is a career backup - not a young guy with "potential". You don't give up the two best players in a trade unless you're getting a top pick back and a future 1st isn't really going to do it. Not to mention the Cs can't use all the picks they've already acquired and have plenty of ammo to move up already.

Csfan1984? More like Blazersfan2015. 

[tazzmaniac]

I expected this to be a trade proposal for Aldridge.  I would not mind trading IT but not for Batum and McCollum.  Also Portland traded their 2016 1st (protected) so the earliest future 1st we could get is their 2018 1st. 

[Csfan1984]

I wonder what goes on in people's heads sometime. There's all sorts of problems with the "logic" driving this trade deal. Sully will be a RFA, so it's not like the Celtics can't keep him. Batum is going to be a UFA and costs $11m a year while Sully costs $3m this year. So if the Celtics "won't get much" for Sully and Turner, why should they give up much of anything for Batum (McCollum is simply a throw in here...career backup)? In addition, the Celtics don't need any cap relief and if they're lucky enough to need some because they're signing multiple top notch FAs, there's easier ways to do it.

As for the deal itself, it's terrible. Sully and IT are the best players in the deal by far and it's not even close. One could even argue that Turner is the 3rd best player in such a deal, though I'd give that edge to Batum. Batum, like Turner, is a marginal starter and McCollum is a career backup - not a young guy with "potential". You don't give up the two best players in a trade unless you're getting a top pick back and a future 1st isn't really going to do it. Not to mention the Cs can't use all the picks they've already acquired and have plenty of ammo to move up already.

Csfan1984? More like Blazersfan2015.

The team does need cap space if they want max players in 2016. It is a good route to take if we lose all the good FAs this year which is more likely than not. You are way over valuing IT, Sully and Turner as well. IT could not get good scoring in playoffs on this team, Turner often let's the ball stick and Sully has trouble committing to his conditioning. They all have serious flaws. Good complement pieces but a first round sweep if asked to be more. Do we really want to get swept again and pick 15-17 range again? Sometimes you take a step back to go foward Batum, a first, and McCollum is solid return.

[Denis998]

I feel that you are undervaluing IT, he is like the second best player on our team. He is a mastermind in the pick and roll, and our only consistent option at the 3 pointer. He is also like top 5 in 4th quarter points. The value he brings to our team is beyond belief, and is to be credited for the run we made once he got here.

[Csfan1984]

I feel that you are undervaluing IT, he is like the second best player on our team. He is a mastermind in the pick and roll, and our only consistent option at the 3 pointer. He is also like top 5 in 4th quarter points. The value he brings to our team is beyond belief, and is to be credited for the run we made once he got here.

And what happened in the playoffs? IT is a good six man but you need spacing and good bigs. Sully, KO and Zeller aren't good enough bigs. AB, Turner, Crowder and Smart not good enough shooters. Off the bench in Portland he is a better fit especially when Lillard is struggling. For this team IT helps, stuck in no man's land a bottom 7-10 team in the East, yuck

[Granath]

I feel that you are undervaluing IT, he is like the second best player on our team. He is a mastermind in the pick and roll, and our only consistent option at the 3 pointer. He is also like top 5 in 4th quarter points. The value he brings to our team is beyond belief, and is to be credited for the run we made once he got here.

And what happened in the playoffs? IT is a good six man but you need spacing and good bigs. Sully, KO and Zeller aren't good enough bigs. AB, Turner, Crowder and Smart not good enough shooters. Off the bench in Portland he is a better fit especially when Lillard is struggling. For this team IT helps, stuck in no man's land a bottom 7-10 team in the East, yuck

Except your proposal does nothing - NOTHING - to help the Celtics get better. You want spacing and good bigs. Well, how do the players you propose to acquire help with that? Batum certainly isn't a big and certainly doesn't help with shooting, connecting on only 32% of 3 point attempts last year. McCollum is a bench player and nothing more. You trade away good players who contributed to the Cs getting to the playoffs for an overpriced stiff whose contract is expiring next year (don't we have one of those in Gerald Wallace?), a bench player and yet another mid-round 1st.

No one disagrees that the Cs need more help to be a top squad in the East. It's just that your proposal does absolutely zilch to accomplish it. Where's the shooting you want? Where's the spacing you want? Where's the big man you want? Nowhere to be found! So how does that help? Oh, maybe it's designed to throw assets out the door for pennies to get worse so *maybe* the Celtics can win a good spot in the lottery next year. If the Cs were going to do that, they would have not acquired IT and they would have done it this past year. That ship sailed about 5 months ago. See it on the horizon? Wave bye bye to it.

How about let's not panic by sending good players away for nothing. Instead, let's continue to acquire assets - Sully and IT both qualify as good assets - so that when there's an opportunity to get shooting, a big man or whatever else the Cs actually have the firepower to pull off a deal. Doesn't that sound so much better?

[konkmv]

Noooooooooooooo

[Granath]

Oh, and I find this funny:

Player A: 6'8", 200 pounds, SF
Player B: 6'7", 205 pounds, SF
Player C: 6'7", 240 pounds, SF

Player A: 9.5 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 4.8 apg,
Player B: 9.5, 5.1, 5.5
Player C: 9.5, 4.6, 1.4

Player A Per 36: 10, 6.3, 5.2
Player B Per 36: 12.4, 6.6, 7.2
Player C Per 36: 14, 6.9, 2.1

Player A: $11m
Player B: $3m
Player C: $1.1m

As most of you have guessed, A is Batum, B is Turner and C is Crowder (who is returning). Why in God's name do we need an $11m player when we have two that cost who can provide similar output, more flexibility and cost less together than Batum?

[Future Celtics Owner]

IT is the best player on the team and he has one of, if not the best contracts out there; aside from rookie contracts.

[Granath]

IT is the best player on the team and he has one of, if not the best contracts out there; aside from rookie contracts.

No, he sucks, remember? He only finished in 2nd place as the 6th man of the year. He only scored 19 points and 5 assists per game as a Celtics. ONLY! We should give him up for a bag of stale donuts and a cup of lukewarm coffee.