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Danny should stay put
« on: June 18, 2015, 06:27:16 PM »

Offline walker834

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 Unless there is a player that jumps out at us that we need to get I'd be pretty happy drafting a guy like Dekker at 16 and getting a rim protector some other way.  I don't think trades need to be made.  We have a lot of versatility with picks where in the future we might be able to score a stud young player that really comes through for us. 

I want Danny to build this thing and let players develop over time.  There's no reason to force things.

The way I envision this team is we have Brad Stevens.  He is our guy.  What we want are good interior rebounders and scorers and defenders on the wings and from the point of attack and on the interiot.  Being undersized is ok. It's not ideal ultimately.  Versatility and just a well coached team that is going to develop over time.
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Re: Danny should stay put
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2015, 06:37:39 PM »

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DA has quietly been assembling and drafting players like this for quite some time.  A lot of hype with draft time but DA stayed put last year and made a really smart choice.

AB
Smart
KO
Sully
Crowder
Zeller
Pressey
james Young
Isiah Thomas
Turner

All these guys deserve a shot next year to play an increased role.  That's 10 players already.  Drafting a couple more and losing guys like Bass and Gerald Wallace would be good. jerebko and Gigi are up in teh air a bit and if we can improve our rim protection and scoring from the wing that would be nice. 
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« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2015, 06:47:06 PM »

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Some don't like them but I trade up for 5 guys or I stay put
(Towns and Okafor excluded obviously)
Winslow, Mario, WCS, S.J., Porzingis. Other than those guys I stay put.
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Re: Danny should stay put
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2015, 06:52:43 PM »

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Quote from: Csfan1984 on June 18, 2015, 06:47:06 PM
Some don't like them but I trade up for 5 guys or I stay put
(Towns and Okafor excluded obviously)
Winslow, Mario, WCS, S.J., Porzingis. Other than those guys I stay put.

I like all those guys and could see DA making a move for one of them, but I wouldn't sell teh farm for any of them either.  Porzingis kind of interests me though.   He'd be pretty good here I feel.  Moreso than Stein even.  I like Stein quite a bit too. just something doesn't sit right though. I don't know what it is.  I feel we can do better?
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« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2015, 06:56:22 PM »

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Prospects get soooo hyped......

I like Stanley johnson too and Winslow but are they really better for what we need than Dekker?  We might have to move up to get him.

I'd say we come out of this draft with something like that and get some help on the interior somehow I don't know. I'd feel pretty confident.

We are right where we need to be this draft imo.
« Last Edit: June 18, 2015, 07:13:42 PM by walker834 »
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« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2015, 08:02:33 PM »

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Quote from: walker834 on June 18, 2015, 06:27:16 PM
Unless there is a player that jumps out at us that we need to get I'd be pretty happy drafting a guy like Dekker at 16 and getting a rim protector some other way.

That's fine but we don't need 4 more rookies on this team.  I doubt they can even carry more than 2 on the roster.  I would be perfectly fine with them trading either 28/33 with 16 if they could move up a few spots.

Or...they could move down and get a future 1st.
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« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2015, 08:23:29 PM »

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Quote from: walker834 on June 18, 2015, 06:37:39 PM
DA has quietly been assembling and drafting players like this for quite some time.  A lot of hype with draft time but DA stayed put last year and made a really smart choice.

AB
Smart
KO
Sully
Crowder
Zeller
Pressey
james Young
Isiah Thomas
Turner

All these guys deserve a shot next year to play an increased role.  That's 10 players already.  Drafting a couple more and losing guys like Bass and Gerald Wallace would be good. jerebko and Gigi are up in teh air a bit and if we can improve our rim protection and scoring from the wing that would be nice.
If you are looking for a team that wins maybe half of their games, sure.
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« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2015, 02:59:31 AM »

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I'm looking forward to European Championship 2015 in September, when we will see Hezonja in national jersey. He is about to explode since it will be held in Croatia partly.
I'd be delighted to see him as a Celtic pick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO7siFtVtZ0
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« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2015, 04:45:33 AM »

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@iadera

Croatia is in group C which is arguably the easiest of this Eubobasket championship.

There's lot of talent, I do not really expect Hezonja to stick out.

I feel more confident having Giannis in my team  ;)
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Re: Danny should stay put
« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2015, 05:05:24 AM »

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I think Danny is more or less forced to either move up or out or draft and stash at least 2 picks. It is very difficult to carry James Young (a semi-rookie) + more than 2 rookies. 2 rookies + Young might be the best outcome from roster perspective

If he manages to trade up to 8, 9 or 10 one of the guys in Csfan1984's list will be there. This has been discussed a lot and is probably the best option.

If no trade for top 10 is available, I guess he will be trying to use 28 and 33 and move up in the 20-22 range. There will be good options available there, who will not be on the board at 28 - one of RJ Hunter, Anderson, Vaughn, RHJ, Harrell.

This would give us:
- 16 - one of Dekker, Portis, Oubre, Lyles etc..
- 22 - one of  RJ Hunter, Anderson, Vaughn, RHJ, Harrell
- 45 - stash in the EU or D-League.

Not a bad outcome to me. Not perfect by any means, but not bad either.
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Re: Danny should stay put
« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2015, 05:10:19 AM »

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Quote from: krumeto on June 19, 2015, 05:05:24 AM
I think Danny is more or less forced to either move up or out or draft and stash at least 2 picks. It is very difficult to carry James Young (a semi-rookie) + more than 2 rookies. 2 rookies + Young might be the best outcome from roster perspective

If he manages to trade up to 8, 9 or 10 one of the guys in Csfan1984's list will be there. This has been discussed a lot and is probably the best option.

If no trade for top 10 is available, I guess he will be trying to use 28 and 33 and move up in the 20-22 range. There will be good options available there, who will not be on the board at 28 - one of RJ Hunter, Anderson, Vaughn, RHJ, Harrell.

This would give us:
- 16 - one of Dekker, Portis, Oubre, Lyles etc..
- 22 - one of  RJ Hunter, Anderson, Vaughn, RHJ, Harrell
- 45 - stash in the EU or D-League.

Not a bad outcome to me. Not perfect by any means, but not bad either.
That's true but there are plenty of eurotalents in this draft class esp. below 25 where we have three picks.
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« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2015, 05:11:08 AM »

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If there is no deal to move up in the draft, you take the best player available, not use the draft to try and cover needs. FA is a better way to cover needs. If the player/s you want to bring a championship are not available this FA period, you wait and keep developing. 
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« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2015, 05:16:18 AM »

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Quote from: Greyman on June 19, 2015, 05:11:08 AM
If there is no deal to move up in the draft, you take the best player available, not use the draft to try and cover needs. FA is a better way to cover needs. If the player/s you want to bring a championship are not available this FA period, you wait and keep developing.

TP, that's the way according Danny Ainge.
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« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2015, 05:21:43 AM »

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Quote from: greece666 on June 19, 2015, 05:10:19 AM
Quote from: krumeto on June 19, 2015, 05:05:24 AM
I think Danny is more or less forced to either move up or out or draft and stash at least 2 picks. It is very difficult to carry James Young (a semi-rookie) + more than 2 rookies. 2 rookies + Young might be the best outcome from roster perspective

If he manages to trade up to 8, 9 or 10 one of the guys in Csfan1984's list will be there. This has been discussed a lot and is probably the best option.

If no trade for top 10 is available, I guess he will be trying to use 28 and 33 and move up in the 20-22 range. There will be good options available there, who will not be on the board at 28 - one of RJ Hunter, Anderson, Vaughn, RHJ, Harrell.

This would give us:
- 16 - one of Dekker, Portis, Oubre, Lyles etc..
- 22 - one of  RJ Hunter, Anderson, Vaughn, RHJ, Harrell
- 45 - stash in the EU or D-League.

Not a bad outcome to me. Not perfect by any means, but not bad either.
That's true but there are plenty of eurotalents in this draft class esp. below 25 where we have three picks.

All of my favs removed their names from the draft, but indeed there are some interesting names:
- centers - Willy H, Gudaitis, Milutinov, Jaiteh
- SF - Osman, Diez

The only one I've watched from the group is Willy Hernangomez. I will not be dissatisfied with him at all. Solid rebounder, soft hands on O. I know nothing about his defense.
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Re: Danny should stay put
« Reply #14 on: June 19, 2015, 06:01:23 AM »

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SamDekker is not making any all star teams. You want more role players to add to a team full of them. Danny should use our best players and sell high on them to move up in this draft. Then next draft we will have a better pick plus all the other picks. He was p---ed we made the playoffs, we should be picking 9th.

I've been saying Avery Bradley for whatever pick gets us Myles Turner. But if Danny really wants to go scorched earth and make sure our coach can't use veteran role players to win useless games then trading for the 4th pick and using IT, ET, and Sully. CBS we don't need to worry about our players effort or commitment.
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