Trade Ideas Using Future Picks

[Vermont Green]

I scribbled down a list of all of the realistic trade assets that we have and it just blows my mind.  I believe that the current focus of the Celtics, at least through the draft, will be more consolidation meaning trading 2 or more pieces for 1 better piece.  Likely that means moving up in the draft but possibly it could involve bringing back a player.  Not too far down the road, we may be looking at more significant sign and trade type things (that could introduce Wallace) but it seems like that is after the draft.

Players:       Young, Bradley, Turner, Thomas, Olynyk, Sullinger, Zeller
2015 Draft:  #16, #28, #33, #45
2016 Draft:  BOS (#12), BKN (#8), DAL (#16), CLE (#30), 5-Seconds
2017 Draft:  BOS/BKN (#10), 3-Seconds
2018 Draft:  BOS (#20), BKN (#10), 1-Second

The point of this post is first to get other opinions on where people think these future firsts will land.  I feel like I have been pretty realistic.  I am assuming BOS does not make the playoffs in 2015/16 but does in 2016/17.  I assume BKN continues downhill through 2018.  DAL may not make the playoffs depending on how they replenish.  Smart is intentionally omitted.

Part two of this is I think there should be more talk of trades now using these pick from outyears.  It seems nearly all of the trades that get discussed involve this year's picks.  How about:

#28 plus 2016-DAL-1st plus 2016-PHI-2nd for CHA #9

Or how about:

Bradley and 2016-BKN-1st for NYK-#4

So hopefully more ideas but only those that involve at least one future pick.

[GC003332]

One bit of housekeeping the Suns now have the Cavs first rounder next year due to the IT4 trade.
Still have the Memphis pick, if they don't suck the next couple of years it will probably be delivered in 2019.there is always the dream that the bottom could fall out for them and it rolls over until 2021.

[Denis998]

Solid post, I would exclude Thomas though, he is one of the best pick and role players in the NBA. Good trade proposals too, a general rule I use is to only trade BKN picks for top 6 picks in the draft. It seems as if we don't have enough picks at 2017, only one pick that year.

[Csfan1984]

Wolves 1st year 2nd is a good asset to list.

Combining assets only works when you get likely rebuilding team to bite as a seller. With Melo in NY I don't not believe Knicks would be sellers. They would be competitive buyers looking to consolidate their assets like C's and use cap space. I feel basically each bottom teams fall under seller, neutral or buyer.

Sellers: Nuggets, Suns, Sixers(cap seller), Hornets, Nets
    These teams are rebuilding, lack a star and/or have a few bad contracts hindering a turn around. Therefore are sellers.

Neutral: Celtics, Pistons, Magic, Wolves, Pacers
    These teams can go either way as rosters have mixed assets.

Buyers:Lakers, Knicks, Kings, Heat, Thunder, Jazz.
    These teams have trade chips and Stars/big cap space.

Look for selling to buyers or buying from sellers.

[tazzmaniac]

I scribbled down a list of all of the realistic trade assets that we have and it just blows my mind.  I believe that the current focus of the Celtics, at least through the draft, will be more consolidation meaning trading 2 or more pieces for 1 better piece.  Likely that means moving up in the draft but possibly it could involve bringing back a player.  Not too far down the road, we may be looking at more significant sign and trade type things (that could introduce Wallace) but it seems like that is after the draft.

Players:       Young, Bradley, Turner, Thomas, Olynyk, Sullinger, Zeller
2015 Draft:  #16, #28, #33, #45
2016 Draft:  BOS (#12), BKN (#8), DAL (#16), CLE (#30), 5-Seconds
2017 Draft:  BOS/BKN (#10), 3-Seconds
2018 Draft:  BOS (#20), BKN (#10), 1-Second

The point of this post is first to get other opinions on where people think these future firsts will land.  I feel like I have been pretty realistic.  I am assuming BOS does not make the playoffs in 2015/16 but does in 2016/17.  I assume BKN continues downhill through 2018.  DAL may not make the playoffs depending on how they replenish.  Smart is intentionally omitted.

Part two of this is I think there should be more talk of trades now using these pick from outyears.  It seems nearly all of the trades that get discussed involve this year's picks.  How about:

#28 plus 2016-DAL-1st plus 2016-PHI-2nd for CHA #9

Or how about:

Bradley and 2016-BKN-1st for NYK-#4

So hopefully more ideas but only those that involve at least one future pick.

Neither of your trade proposals are close to being balanced.  Charlotte wants to win now and your proposal does nothing to help them do that.  Your Knicks proposal has them trading out of the 1st round just to acquire Bradley(?).  You could add the #16 to the proposal and it still probably wouldn't be enough. 

[Geo123]

I scribbled down a list of all of the realistic trade assets that we have and it just blows my mind.  I believe that the current focus of the Celtics, at least through the draft, will be more consolidation meaning trading 2 or more pieces for 1 better piece.  Likely that means moving up in the draft but possibly it could involve bringing back a player.  Not too far down the road, we may be looking at more significant sign and trade type things (that could introduce Wallace) but it seems like that is after the draft.

Players:       Young, Bradley, Turner, Thomas, Olynyk, Sullinger, Zeller
2015 Draft:  #16, #28, #33, #45
2016 Draft:  BOS (#12), BKN (#8), DAL (#16), CLE (#30), 5-Seconds
2017 Draft:  BOS/BKN (#10), 3-Seconds
2018 Draft:  BOS (#20), BKN (#10), 1-Second

The point of this post is first to get other opinions on where people think these future firsts will land.  I feel like I have been pretty realistic.  I am assuming BOS does not make the playoffs in 2015/16 but does in 2016/17.  I assume BKN continues downhill through 2018.  DAL may not make the playoffs depending on how they replenish.  Smart is intentionally omitted.

Part two of this is I think there should be more talk of trades now using these pick from outyears.  It seems nearly all of the trades that get discussed involve this year's picks.  How about:

#28 plus 2016-DAL-1st plus 2016-PHI-2nd for CHA #9

Or how about:

Bradley and 2016-BKN-1st for NYK-#4

So hopefully more ideas but only those that involve at least one future pick.

Neither of your trade proposals are close to being balanced.  Charlotte wants to win now and your proposal does nothing to help them do that.  Your Knicks proposal has them trading out of the 1st round just to acquire Bradley(?).  You could add the #16 to the proposal and it still probably wouldn't be enough.

+1

[Csfan1984]

Think you guys missed the point on the trades. He wasn't being 100% as in that was the trade and is it fair. He is asking if we project them (Dallas and BKN picks) high can the C's use those picks to move high up this draft. It's also why OP ask where do you project those picks. It's basically questions on future picks values if used this year. No need to tear into those "examples".

[perks-a-beast]

Does anyone think Turner + 16th + 33rd pick could land us the 8th pick to get Stanley Johnson? If so id do it in a heart beat.

[BDeCosta26]

Does anyone think Turner + 16th + 33rd pick could land us the 8th pick to get Stanley Johnson? If so id do it in a heart beat.

Probably not. As a general rule of thumb, if a trade idea makes you say "Wow, I would do that in a heartbeat", it's probably unrealistic. The Pistons need a wing, but Turner is too poor a shooter for SVG, his potential is about tapped, and the things he does well (ball-handling, passing, driving) the Pistons aren't in desperate need for.

Johnson could very well be available in the 9-12 range too. Bradley and 16 for Hairston and 9 could work. Sully, Turner and 28 might get the 10th pick from Miami as well. Or AB to Utah for Hood and 12.

[tazzmaniac]

Think you guys missed the point on the trades. He wasn't being 100% as in that was the trade and is it fair. He is asking if we project them (Dallas and BKN picks) high can the C's use those picks to move high up this draft. It's also why OP ask where do you project those picks. It's basically questions on future picks values if used this year. No need to tear into those "examples".

Putting out trade examples and saying "how about" invites comments.  Teams make trades based on their own self interests so trade proposals ought to take that into account.  Here's a realistic proposal with a future 1st. 

Miami:  #16 and 2016 Dallas 1st
Boston:  #10 

Miami is likely to be well over the luxury tax line this year.  They've also traded away 3 future 1sts.  With this trade, Miami would still get a good pick this year while saving money and they'd pick up a future 1st.     

[tazzmaniac]

Does anyone think Turner + 16th + 33rd pick could land us the 8th pick to get Stanley Johnson? If so id do it in a heart beat.

Not happening.  In last year's draft, Chicago traded the #16 and #19 for the #11.  Turner has very little value.  So you are essentially proposing the #16 and two seconds for the #8.  Furthermore, Johnson would be a good fit for the Pistons.     

[Geo123]

Does anyone think Turner + 16th + 33rd pick could land us the 8th pick to get Stanley Johnson? If so id do it in a heart beat.

Nope not going to get it done...

[Csfan1984]

Think you guys missed the point on the trades. He wasn't being 100% as in that was the trade and is it fair. He is asking if we project them (Dallas and BKN picks) high can the C's use those picks to move high up this draft. It's also why OP ask where do you project those picks. It's basically questions on future picks values if used this year. No need to tear into those "examples".

Putting out trade examples and saying "how about" invites comments.  Teams make trades based on their own self interests so trade proposals ought to take that into account.  Here's a realistic proposal with a future 1st. 

Miami:  #16 and 2016 Dallas 1st
Boston:  #10 

Miami is likely to be well over the luxury tax line this year.  They've also traded away 3 future 1sts.  With this trade, Miami would still get a good pick this year while saving money and they'd pick up a future 1st.   

Well I'd think if you see the entire context of the post then the question would have a better response. But if you jump to the end I can understand your view.

By the way I don't feel Heat do that trade despite having some reasoning to it. Think they want to flip pick for roster depth that is experienced as they are in win now mode.

[Vermont Green]

Neither of your trade proposals are close to being balanced.  Charlotte wants to win now and your proposal does nothing to help them do that.  Your Knicks proposal has them trading out of the 1st round just to acquire Bradley(?).  You could add the #16 to the proposal and it still probably wouldn't be enough.

I agree that the CHA deal might be a tough sell if they are looking for players to contribute now but I disagree they the reason would be because they think the #9 pick will produce a player that can help them right away.  If that is the case, we don't match up so well with them.

Same thinking for the Knicks.  Bradley can help them right away.  He is a good complimentary player to go with Melo and whatever big name FA it seem inevitable that they will sign this year.  Plus they get a future pick that allows them to add depth in the future.  I think the Knicks would be interested in a deal like this as it gets them a useful player now and also restocks their barren future draft pick cupboard.  The Knicks don't just get Bradley, they get a future pick that has lottery potential.

It does seem that draft picks seem to increase in value as you get closer to the draft, Ainge notwithstanding.  Someone could get some really good future value if they are patient and willing to deal with Danny.

[tazzmaniac]

Think you guys missed the point on the trades. He wasn't being 100% as in that was the trade and is it fair. He is asking if we project them (Dallas and BKN picks) high can the C's use those picks to move high up this draft. It's also why OP ask where do you project those picks. It's basically questions on future picks values if used this year. No need to tear into those "examples".

Putting out trade examples and saying "how about" invites comments.  Teams make trades based on their own self interests so trade proposals ought to take that into account.  Here's a realistic proposal with a future 1st. 

Miami:  #16 and 2016 Dallas 1st
Boston:  #10 

Miami is likely to be well over the luxury tax line this year.  They've also traded away 3 future 1sts.  With this trade, Miami would still get a good pick this year while saving money and they'd pick up a future 1st.   

Well I'd think if you see the entire context of the post then the question would have a better response. But if you jump to the end I can understand your view.

By the way I don't feel Heat do that trade despite having some reasoning to it. Think they want to flip pick for roster depth that is experienced as they are in win now mode.

I think the Heat would prefer to use the pick to improve their current roster too (e.g.  Sully and #16 for #10).  However a trade like that may not be available to them.  If that is the case and there is no one available at #10 that Riley really likes, I think they'd make the trade I proposed. 

As for the OP's projection of our future picks, I'd say they are reasonable but I don't think we are going to get three top 10 picks from the Brooklyn trade.  However future picks are less valuable than equivalent current picks unless a team needs to trade out for cap/tax reasons.