Assets needed to land Aldridge and Matthews.

[KG Living Legend]

So the rondo tpe could be used sign and trade Matthews. but how many picks or players would Portland want for Aldridge.

[mmmmm]

Well, it isn't about how many picks and players Portland would want for Aldridge.

It is about how many picks and players Portland would want for facilitating a Sign & Trade deal.

They don't own Aldridge any more.  He is a free agent.  If he wants to sign with the Celtics, we COULD sign him outright as a FA and Portland would get nothing.

But that's not the ideal situation for either the Celtics or the TrailBlazers.   For the Celtics to sign him with cap space, they'd have to renounce all their TPEs (Rondo & Prince) and the rights to their major FAs (Bass & Jerebko).   It would be much better to not do that, since those things could be useful.  And for Portland, if that happened, they get nothing for him.

It would work better for both teams to do a sign & trade deal.   But all you are paying Portland for in that deal is for the service of doing that.  You aren't paying them the value of Aldridge.

Ideally, it would work best if Danny could find a third team with a player (on contract or FA able to be S&T'ed) making on the order of 10-12M that Portland wanted.  Danny could absorb that salary with the Rondo TPE and then turn around and send him to Portland to match most of LMA's salary.  He would need to provide some modest pick compensation to the third team and to Portland and one or two cheap players like Chris Babb would end up getting shuffled to balance things.

Alternatively, he could use Gerald Wallace' contract to match most of LMA's salary.  But because that would cost Portland 10M that they'd have to absorb, he'd have to give them something better than a late 2nd round pick.  Probably the 2015 #33  or the 2016 CLE pick would be good enough, though.  We took on 3 years of his contract for a mid-level 1st.  They would only be eating 1 year of it.    Again, from that point, you just balance out the deal with cheap players and 2nd round picks (current or future).   Wallace is a former 'Blazer so there is a small bit of homecoming there.

If you did use the Wallace contract then, as you noted, you could use the Rondo TPE to absorb Matthews, also in a s&t transaction, probably again, for a pretty modest pick.

There are lots of variations.  Danny is as good as anybody at understanding the CBA rules and how to creative construct a trade.

The first step is convincing Aldridge (or Monroe or Leonard or whomever) to sign here.  Once that happens, Danny has the tools to make it happen to his best advantage.

[LGC88]

TP, that is very informative.

[clover]

Well, it isn't about how many picks and players Portland would want for Aldridge.

It is about how many picks and players Portland would want for facilitating a Sign & Trade deal.

They don't own Aldridge any more.  He is a free agent.  If he wants to sign with the Celtics, we COULD sign him outright as a FA and Portland would get nothing.

But that's not the ideal situation for either the Celtics or the TrailBlazers.   For the Celtics to sign him with cap space, they'd have to renounce all their TPEs (Rondo & Prince) and the rights to their major FAs (Bass & Jerebko).   It would be much better to not do that, since those things could be useful.  And for Portland, if that happened, they get nothing for him.

It would work better for both teams to do a sign & trade deal.   But all you are paying Portland for in that deal is for the service of doing that.  You aren't paying them the value of Aldridge.

Ideally, it would work best if Danny could find a third team with a player (on contract or FA able to be S&T'ed) making on the order of 10-12M that Portland wanted.  Danny could absorb that salary with the Rondo TPE and then turn around and send him to Portland to match most of LMA's salary.  He would need to provide some modest pick compensation to the third team and to Portland and one or two cheap players like Chris Babb would end up getting shuffled to balance things.

Alternatively, he could use Gerald Wallace' contract to match most of LMA's salary.  But because that would cost Portland 10M that they'd have to absorb, he'd have to give them something better than a late 2nd round pick.  Probably the 2015 #33  or the 2016 CLE pick would be good enough, though.  We took on 3 years of his contract for a mid-level 1st.  They would only be eating 1 year of it.    Again, from that point, you just balance out the deal with cheap players and 2nd round picks (current or future).   Wallace is a former 'Blazer so there is a small bit of homecoming there.

If you did use the Wallace contract then, as you noted, you could use the Rondo TPE to absorb Matthews, also in a s&t transaction, probably again, for a pretty modest pick.

There are lots of variations.  Danny is as good as anybody at understanding the CBA rules and how to creative construct a trade.

The first step is convincing Aldridge (or Monroe or Leonard or whomever) to sign here.  Once that happens, Danny has the tools to make it happen to his best advantage.

Varejao?

[tazzmaniac]

Well, it isn't about how many picks and players Portland would want for Aldridge.

It is about how many picks and players Portland would want for facilitating a Sign & Trade deal.

They don't own Aldridge any more.  He is a free agent.  If he wants to sign with the Celtics, we COULD sign him outright as a FA and Portland would get nothing.

But that's not the ideal situation for either the Celtics or the TrailBlazers.   For the Celtics to sign him with cap space, they'd have to renounce all their TPEs (Rondo & Prince) and the rights to their major FAs (Bass & Jerebko).   It would be much better to not do that, since those things could be useful.  And for Portland, if that happened, they get nothing for him.

It would work better for both teams to do a sign & trade deal.   But all you are paying Portland for in that deal is for the service of doing that.  You aren't paying them the value of Aldridge.

Ideally, it would work best if Danny could find a third team with a player (on contract or FA able to be S&T'ed) making on the order of 10-12M that Portland wanted.  Danny could absorb that salary with the Rondo TPE and then turn around and send him to Portland to match most of LMA's salary.  He would need to provide some modest pick compensation to the third team and to Portland and one or two cheap players like Chris Babb would end up getting shuffled to balance things.

Alternatively, he could use Gerald Wallace' contract to match most of LMA's salary.  But because that would cost Portland 10M that they'd have to absorb, he'd have to give them something better than a late 2nd round pick.  Probably the 2015 #33  or the 2016 CLE pick would be good enough, though.  We took on 3 years of his contract for a mid-level 1st.  They would only be eating 1 year of it.    Again, from that point, you just balance out the deal with cheap players and 2nd round picks (current or future).   Wallace is a former 'Blazer so there is a small bit of homecoming there.

If you did use the Wallace contract then, as you noted, you could use the Rondo TPE to absorb Matthews, also in a s&t transaction, probably again, for a pretty modest pick.

There are lots of variations.  Danny is as good as anybody at understanding the CBA rules and how to creative construct a trade.

The first step is convincing Aldridge (or Monroe or Leonard or whomever) to sign here.  Once that happens, Danny has the tools to make it happen to his best advantage.

The 2016 CLE 1st was traded to acquire Thomas.  Denver had to give up the OKC 1st for Philly to take on McGee's contract.  So I don't think the #33 by itself would be enough to get rid of Wallace.  It would probably require the #33 and an additional future 2nd or maybe the Minny 1st by itself.  Since we're acquiring Aldridge, we could offer Sully to Portland instead of picks.   

[rickyfan3.0...]

I think teams will want Wallace's expiring deal this season.

[Moranis]

I think teams will want Wallace's expiring deal this season.

Not if they acquire it without any benefit to them.

[Hemingway]

I think he was saying that Wallace would have some value as an expiring contract. I think we've seen, but cant remember specifics, that expiring contracts are less valuable under this CBA than the last. Another consideration is the rising cap, not sure how that factors.

[Denis998]

Sign and trade both of them over to Boston in return for a future first, a pair of seconds, and the prince TPE. Sign Aldrige to the cap and Mathews to the Rondo TPE. At deals end Boston gets Aldrige and Mathews, and Portland gets a first, pair of secobds, and about 40 million in trade exceptions, which is a good thing for them which primes them to the FA sweepstakes once the cap increases.

[mmmmm]

Well, it isn't about how many picks and players Portland would want for Aldridge.

It is about how many picks and players Portland would want for facilitating a Sign & Trade deal.

They don't own Aldridge any more.  He is a free agent.  If he wants to sign with the Celtics, we COULD sign him outright as a FA and Portland would get nothing.

But that's not the ideal situation for either the Celtics or the TrailBlazers.   For the Celtics to sign him with cap space, they'd have to renounce all their TPEs (Rondo & Prince) and the rights to their major FAs (Bass & Jerebko).   It would be much better to not do that, since those things could be useful.  And for Portland, if that happened, they get nothing for him.

It would work better for both teams to do a sign & trade deal.   But all you are paying Portland for in that deal is for the service of doing that.  You aren't paying them the value of Aldridge.

Ideally, it would work best if Danny could find a third team with a player (on contract or FA able to be S&T'ed) making on the order of 10-12M that Portland wanted.  Danny could absorb that salary with the Rondo TPE and then turn around and send him to Portland to match most of LMA's salary.  He would need to provide some modest pick compensation to the third team and to Portland and one or two cheap players like Chris Babb would end up getting shuffled to balance things.

Alternatively, he could use Gerald Wallace' contract to match most of LMA's salary.  But because that would cost Portland 10M that they'd have to absorb, he'd have to give them something better than a late 2nd round pick.  Probably the 2015 #33  or the 2016 CLE pick would be good enough, though.  We took on 3 years of his contract for a mid-level 1st.  They would only be eating 1 year of it.    Again, from that point, you just balance out the deal with cheap players and 2nd round picks (current or future).   Wallace is a former 'Blazer so there is a small bit of homecoming there.

If you did use the Wallace contract then, as you noted, you could use the Rondo TPE to absorb Matthews, also in a s&t transaction, probably again, for a pretty modest pick.

There are lots of variations.  Danny is as good as anybody at understanding the CBA rules and how to creative construct a trade.

The first step is convincing Aldridge (or Monroe or Leonard or whomever) to sign here.  Once that happens, Danny has the tools to make it happen to his best advantage.

The 2016 CLE 1st was traded to acquire Thomas.  Denver had to give up the OKC 1st for Philly to take on McGee's contract.  So I don't think the #33 by itself would be enough to get rid of Wallace.  It would probably require the #33 and an additional future 2nd or maybe the Minny 1st by itself.  Since we're acquiring Aldridge, we could offer Sully to Portland instead of picks.

Oh - yeah, I forgot that we used that pick already.  Good catch.

Sending one of our prospects like Sully or KO in lew of picks is definitely an option, but I rather try to concentrate the value of our picks instead of keeping so many.

Given that the deal as proposed didn't necessarily require using either of KO or Sully, my thought was that one might be used to help climb up the draft board.

At any rate, the real point is that there are a lot options and variable ways it could all play out.

[flybono]

Well, it isn't about how many picks and players Portland would want for Aldridge.

It is about how many picks and players Portland would want for facilitating a Sign & Trade deal.

They don't own Aldridge any more.  He is a free agent.  If he wants to sign with the Celtics, we COULD sign him outright as a FA and Portland would get nothing.

But that's not the ideal situation for either the Celtics or the TrailBlazers.   For the Celtics to sign him with cap space, they'd have to renounce all their TPEs (Rondo & Prince) and the rights to their major FAs (Bass & Jerebko).   It would be much better to not do that, since those things could be useful.  And for Portland, if that happened, they get nothing for him.

It would work better for both teams to do a sign & trade deal.   But all you are paying Portland for in that deal is for the service of doing that.  You aren't paying them the value of Aldridge.

Ideally, it would work best if Danny could find a third team with a player (on contract or FA able to be S&T'ed) making on the order of 10-12M that Portland wanted.  Danny could absorb that salary with the Rondo TPE and then turn around and send him to Portland to match most of LMA's salary.  He would need to provide some modest pick compensation to the third team and to Portland and one or two cheap players like Chris Babb would end up getting shuffled to balance things.

Alternatively, he could use Gerald Wallace' contract to match most of LMA's salary.  But because that would cost Portland 10M that they'd have to absorb, he'd have to give them something better than a late 2nd round pick.  Probably the 2015 #33  or the 2016 CLE pick would be good enough, though.  We took on 3 years of his contract for a mid-level 1st.  They would only be eating 1 year of it.    Again, from that point, you just balance out the deal with cheap players and 2nd round picks (current or future).   Wallace is a former 'Blazer so there is a small bit of homecoming there.

If you did use the Wallace contract then, as you noted, you could use the Rondo TPE to absorb Matthews, also in a s&t transaction, probably again, for a pretty modest pick.

There are lots of variations.  Danny is as good as anybody at understanding the CBA rules and how to creative construct a trade.

The first step is convincing Aldridge (or Monroe or Leonard or whomever) to sign here.  Once that happens, Danny has the tools to make it happen to his best advantage.

The 2016 CLE 1st was traded to acquire Thomas.  Denver had to give up the OKC 1st for Philly to take on McGee's contract.  So I don't think the #33 by itself would be enough to get rid of Wallace.  It would probably require the #33 and an additional future 2nd or maybe the Minny 1st by itself.  Since we're acquiring Aldridge, we could offer Sully to Portland instead of picks.

Oh - yeah, I forgot that we used that pick already.  Good catch.

Sending one of our prospects like Sully or KO in lew of picks is definitely an option, but I rather try to concentrate the value of our picks instead of keeping so many.

Given that the deal as proposed didn't necessarily require using either of KO or Sully, my thought was that one might be used to help climb up the draft board.

At any rate, the real point is that there are a lot options and variable ways it could all play out.

What is the benefit of a SIGN AND TRADE, opposed to a Flat out Free Agent sign?

[GreenPride17]

I think teams will want Wallace's expiring deal this season.

You think trading Wallace and the Minnesota 1st to Philly would be enough?

[mmmmm]

Well, it isn't about how many picks and players Portland would want for Aldridge.

It is about how many picks and players Portland would want for facilitating a Sign & Trade deal.

They don't own Aldridge any more.  He is a free agent.  If he wants to sign with the Celtics, we COULD sign him outright as a FA and Portland would get nothing.

But that's not the ideal situation for either the Celtics or the TrailBlazers.   For the Celtics to sign him with cap space, they'd have to renounce all their TPEs (Rondo & Prince) and the rights to their major FAs (Bass & Jerebko).   It would be much better to not do that, since those things could be useful. And for Portland, if that happened, they get nothing for him.

It would work better for both teams to do a sign & trade deal.   But all you are paying Portland for in that deal is for the service of doing that.  You aren't paying them the value of Aldridge.

Ideally, it would work best if Danny could find a third team with a player (on contract or FA able to be S&T'ed) making on the order of 10-12M that Portland wanted.  Danny could absorb that salary with the Rondo TPE and then turn around and send him to Portland to match most of LMA's salary.  He would need to provide some modest pick compensation to the third team and to Portland and one or two cheap players like Chris Babb would end up getting shuffled to balance things.

Alternatively, he could use Gerald Wallace' contract to match most of LMA's salary.  But because that would cost Portland 10M that they'd have to absorb, he'd have to give them something better than a late 2nd round pick.  Probably the 2015 #33  or the 2016 CLE pick would be good enough, though.  We took on 3 years of his contract for a mid-level 1st.  They would only be eating 1 year of it.    Again, from that point, you just balance out the deal with cheap players and 2nd round picks (current or future).   Wallace is a former 'Blazer so there is a small bit of homecoming there.

If you did use the Wallace contract then, as you noted, you could use the Rondo TPE to absorb Matthews, also in a s&t transaction, probably again, for a pretty modest pick.

There are lots of variations.  Danny is as good as anybody at understanding the CBA rules and how to creative construct a trade.

The first step is convincing Aldridge (or Monroe or Leonard or whomever) to sign here.  Once that happens, Danny has the tools to make it happen to his best advantage.

The 2016 CLE 1st was traded to acquire Thomas.  Denver had to give up the OKC 1st for Philly to take on McGee's contract.  So I don't think the #33 by itself would be enough to get rid of Wallace.  It would probably require the #33 and an additional future 2nd or maybe the Minny 1st by itself.  Since we're acquiring Aldridge, we could offer Sully to Portland instead of picks.

Oh - yeah, I forgot that we used that pick already.  Good catch.

Sending one of our prospects like Sully or KO in lew of picks is definitely an option, but I rather try to concentrate the value of our picks instead of keeping so many.

Given that the deal as proposed didn't necessarily require using either of KO or Sully, my thought was that one might be used to help climb up the draft board.

At any rate, the real point is that there are a lot options and variable ways it could all play out.

What is the benefit of a SIGN AND TRADE, opposed to a Flat out Free Agent sign?

I already answered that up above.  I marked it in bold.

In general, it is an advantage to stay above the salary cap (but below the tax threshold).  That give you a higher total budget for talent compared to if you drop below the threshold.

[mmmmm]

I think teams will want Wallace's expiring deal this season.

You think trading Wallace and the Minnesota 1st to Philly would be enough?

Ick.  I would only pay a team to take Wallace' contract if it is simultaneously being used to match salary in a trade for something I want.

There is no point to paying someone to just unload his salary at this point.  If we need the cap space, most of his salary cap hit can be reduced off the cap by simply stretching his final season.  It is simply not worth giving up even a late 1st to unload his salary at this point.

Here is another alternative:  Exchange his 10M contract for Lance Stephenson's (whom Charlotte apparently wants to get rid of).   Along with that, Charlotte would send us the #9 and we'd send #16.  Crash would be a homecoming, retiring folk hero to them and they'd get rid of the problem child that Lance turned out to be.  We would of course, have to deal with the headache of having Lance, but in the worst case, we could cut him and stretch his final guaranteed year out.  We'd be no worse off financially than with Wallace' contract.  But we'd have a better pick.  In the best case, he behaves and reboots his career in what would be a contract year for him.

(I haven't checked the details of Stephenson's contract.  I know his final year is a team option, but I don't know if it vests automatically on trade (i.e., a poison pill).  If so, then I don't send the #16 in the deal.  Maybe the #28.)