It's not a mistake. It's obviously the result of the coaching staff having no authorities what so ever on their stars and playing time.
If I'm wrong on that, then this organisation is a joke.

Irving had concerns about long term damage, but all the doctors said playing wouldn't injure it.  He was cleared to play and wasn't going to damage it. 

As far as last night, Irving looked pretty darn good until he stepped wrong.  That could have happened at any time, more minutes didn't cause the latest hiccup.

First off, I am pretty shocked because Windhorst actually wrote an article I found informative and interesting. Here is the link. Long story short, Irving is pretty scared about his knee, said it felt different this time. However, the more interesting part was that there seems to have been tensions between Irving and the team medical staff/front office regarding his injuries and when he should play.

http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-cavaliers/post/_/id/1068/emotions-run-high-after-irvings-knee-setback

Reading the article I couldn't help but question some of the stuff that Cavs have done. I know this is really results oriented, but why did they play him in game 4 instead of giving him a full 10 days to rest up 3-0? Most of the Cavs fans I heard from were hoping he couldn't play. With an injured Korver, banged up Milsap and Carroll, it really didn't seem like the Hawks had much of a chance of overcoming that 3-0 hole.

If you do some research you would know that Kyrie had 7 days rest before the bulls series, played only 12 mins in game 6 of that series, 5 days rest before the hawk series, played a total 49mins in that series out of the possible 160 min he would have normally played and then had 8 full days rest before last nights game. He has been getting as much rest as humanly possible for weeks. Up to the point where they were running Lebron (who was carrying injuries himself) into the ground by game 3 of the Hawks series. Yet an extra 2 days rest from sitting out game 4 to you is the difference between protecting Kyrie and jeopardizing his career

Then last night, they played the guy 44 minutes! That just seems stupid given the situation. If this is worst case scenario and this is a lengthy injury to Irving has the franchise torpedoed their future hopes and time with Lebron? Of the big 3 Irving is the only guy they locked into big money. If they have done damage to his career or even just next season, that is a real dagger to them. What do others think?

Like other guy said he looked perfectly fine until the injury. Had mostly outplayed Curry in that game too. So nice for you to use 20/20 hindsight I guess when all signs pointed to cavs winning the game. I am sure there would be no outrage if Blatt had sat Kyrie for crucial minutes and Cavs wound up losing as result

Cavs bench is BAD, partially LeBron’s fault who insisted bringing his buddies, Miller and Jones from the Heat. with this kind of bench and no real backup point guard, what are you going to do?? 

Cavs bench is BAD, partially LeBron’s fault who insisted bringing his buddies, Miller and Jones from the Heat. with this kind of bench and no real backup point guard, what are you going to do??

But they did get supremely lucky pulling Shumpert, Smith, and Mozgov out of [seemingly] thin air. Without those guys and some well-timed injuries by their opponents, the Cavs would be in nowhere-ville right now.

As for Irving, he's still a great player - for his sake, hopefully he can rest up this summer after losing four straight to GS...but I don't want to see Lebron win another finals. That Spurs game 6 end of game meltdown from 2013 still haunts me.

Quote from: celticsclay on June 05, 2015, 01:14:31 PM

First off, I am pretty shocked because Windhorst actually wrote an article I found informative and interesting. Here is the link. Long story short, Irving is pretty scared about his knee, said it felt different this time. However, the more interesting part was that there seems to have been tensions between Irving and the team medical staff/front office regarding his injuries and when he should play.

http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-cavaliers/post/_/id/1068/emotions-run-high-after-irvings-knee-setback

Reading the article I couldn't help but question some of the stuff that Cavs have done. I know this is really results oriented, but why did they play him in game 4 instead of giving him a full 10 days to rest up 3-0? Most of the Cavs fans I heard from were hoping he couldn't play. With an injured Korver, banged up Milsap and Carroll, it really didn't seem like the Hawks had much of a chance of overcoming that 3-0 hole.

If you do some research you would know that Kyrie had 7 days rest before the bulls series, played only 12 mins in game 6 of that series, 5 days rest before the hawk series, played a total 49mins in that series out of the possible 160 min he would have normally played and then had 8 full days rest before last nights game. He has been getting as much rest as humanly possible for weeks. Up to the point where they were running Lebron (who was carrying injuries himself) into the ground by game 3 of the Hawks series. Yet an extra 2 days rest from sitting out game 4 to you is the difference between protecting Kyrie and jeopardizing his career

Quote from: celticsclay on June 05, 2015, 01:14:31 PM

Then last night, they played the guy 44 minutes! That just seems stupid given the situation. If this is worst case scenario and this is a lengthy injury to Irving has the franchise torpedoed their future hopes and time with Lebron? Of the big 3 Irving is the only guy they locked into big money. If they have done damage to his career or even just next season, that is a real dagger to them. What do others think?

Like other guy said he looked perfectly fine until the injury. Had mostly outplayed Curry in that game too. So nice for you to use 20/20 hindsight I guess when all signs pointed to cavs winning the game. I am sure there would be no outrage if Blatt had sat Kyrie for crucial minutes and Cavs wound up losing as result

There is not really any point engaging with you, especially since you refuse to explain why you claim you are not a Cavs fan but spent 80% of your arguments on a celtics forum with pro-cav sentiments. I'll take the bait this one last time and say, this isn't me making this point it is Brian Windhorst questioning what the Cavs are doing

"Drederick, Wechsler and several of Irving's friends gathered outside the Cavs locker room and began talking with emotion about the situation. Wechsler pulled Cavs general manager David Griffin aside to discuss it.

There's been some tension between these two sides for weeks now. Irving's father and Wechsler, sources said, have been preaching caution with Irving and this knee issue. Naturally, they are focused on his long-term health and have concern that playing on a weakened knee -- what the Cavs have said publicly was a bad case of tendinitis -- could put him at risk of suffering a greater injury. Going to see Andrews was part of the entire group's efforts to get a full handle on what Irving was facing and get independent advice on the situation."

If his dad and agent are upset about it, it is a fair and reasonable thing to discuss. Refusing to acknowledge there have been some questionable decision when multiple involved people are upset seems pretty silly to me and definitely not worth the eye rolls you give.

Quote from: celticsclay on June 05, 2015, 03:06:52 PM

Quote from: zubi.anaba on June 05, 2015, 02:43:42 PM

Quote from: celticsclay on June 05, 2015, 01:14:31 PM

First off, I am pretty shocked because Windhorst actually wrote an article I found informative and interesting. Here is the link. Long story short, Irving is pretty scared about his knee, said it felt different this time. However, the more interesting part was that there seems to have been tensions between Irving and the team medical staff/front office regarding his injuries and when he should play.

http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-cavaliers/post/_/id/1068/emotions-run-high-after-irvings-knee-setback

Reading the article I couldn't help but question some of the stuff that Cavs have done. I know this is really results oriented, but why did they play him in game 4 instead of giving him a full 10 days to rest up 3-0? Most of the Cavs fans I heard from were hoping he couldn't play. With an injured Korver, banged up Milsap and Carroll, it really didn't seem like the Hawks had much of a chance of overcoming that 3-0 hole.

If you do some research you would know that Kyrie had 7 days rest before the bulls series, played only 12 mins in game 6 of that series, 5 days rest before the hawk series, played a total 49mins in that series out of the possible 160 min he would have normally played and then had 8 full days rest before last nights game. He has been getting as much rest as humanly possible for weeks. Up to the point where they were running Lebron (who was carrying injuries himself) into the ground by game 3 of the Hawks series. Yet an extra 2 days rest from sitting out game 4 to you is the difference between protecting Kyrie and jeopardizing his career

Quote from: celticsclay on June 05, 2015, 01:14:31 PM

Then last night, they played the guy 44 minutes! That just seems stupid given the situation. If this is worst case scenario and this is a lengthy injury to Irving has the franchise torpedoed their future hopes and time with Lebron? Of the big 3 Irving is the only guy they locked into big money. If they have done damage to his career or even just next season, that is a real dagger to them. What do others think?

Like other guy said he looked perfectly fine until the injury. Had mostly outplayed Curry in that game too. So nice for you to use 20/20 hindsight I guess when all signs pointed to cavs winning the game. I am sure there would be no outrage if Blatt had sat Kyrie for crucial minutes and Cavs wound up losing as result

There is not really any point engaging with you, especially since you refuse to explain why you claim you are not a Cavs fan but spent 80% of your arguments on a celtics forum with pro-cav sentiments. I'll take the bait this one last time and say, this isn't me making this point it is Brian Windhorst questioning what the Cavs are doing

Yup bringing up logically facts and details that fly in the face of baseless assumptions and speculation def makes me a Cavs fans !! I guess I missed the memo on here that states the only way you could an impartial observer of situations on this forum is if your completely bias against cavs/Lebron!!

Quote from: celticsclay on June 05, 2015, 03:06:52 PM

"Drederick, Wechsler and several of Irving's friends gathered outside the Cavs locker room and began talking with emotion about the situation. Wechsler pulled Cavs general manager David Griffin aside to discuss it.

There's been some tension between these two sides for weeks now. Irving's father and Wechsler, sources said, have been preaching caution with Irving and this knee issue. Naturally, they are focused on his long-term health and have concern that playing on a weakened knee -- what the Cavs have said publicly was a bad case of tendinitis -- could put him at risk of suffering a greater injury. Going to see Andrews was part of the entire group's efforts to get a full handle on what Irving was facing and get independent advice on the situation."

More sources say quotes huh?! Ok then. Meanwhile so called sources were right outside the Locker room and couldnt decipher what was said. Intentionally described the convo as emotional to possibly speculate distrust between the 2 groups. Great!!

Quote from: celticsclay on June 05, 2015, 03:06:52 PM

If his dad and agent are upset about it, it is a fair and reasonable thing to discuss. Refusing to acknowledge there have been some questionable decision when multiple involved people are upset seems pretty silly to me and definitely not worth the eye rolls you give.

Well maybe his dad and agent could show Dr Andrews (most well respected orthpedic consultant) their medical degrees. Like has been said before, it was determined he was not in danger of causing long term damage on it. The main issue was pain tolerance. Using 20/20 hindsight to question decisions is just that

My point is there are what you would call,  baseless assumptions and silly comments made about every team and player in the NBA at some point or another on this forum. Yet you devote all your posts and comments to threads that to argue that the Cavs are not or have not done anything wrong/incorrectly. It is really perplexing. If is totally fine, if you are  a Cavs fan, and we have fans from a lot of different teams here. There are a few 76er fans that i have had nice debates with here. Generally, they can add informed knowledge and viewpoints and make the forum. However, I don't understand the "I am only here to correct the crazy things said on this one specific team" stance you are taking while saying you are not a fan of their team. I am curious if anyone else does.