Pistons shopping # 8 overall pick

[PhoSita]

I believe defensively and on the glass they would have a nice symmetry, and while Faried isn't a perimeter offensive player, he also isn't going to be in Drummonds way.  Faried was fine next to both Mozgov and Nurkic, Drummond is better than both those guys.  I see no reason why Drummond/Faried wouldn't work.

I believe it could definitely work, but it places more of a burden on the guards and wings to be able to create from the perimeter and in mid-range, because there will be less space in the middle of the floor and on the baseline.

That's especially tough if you're planning on using a weak perimeter shooter like Reggie Jackson as your primary ball-handler.

[TheFlex]

TP for the news. I followed the Pistons a lot the second half of the season. They could be an offensive force with Olynyk. Olynyk + 28 + 33 should do it. I wouldn't give them 16.

Naw KO stays . Sullinger can go. Don't be biased man =]

Haha, Detroit would want Olynyk more. He fits in far better with Drummond.

Why? Sully is the better rebounder, higher ceiling player. I'd think he'd be the better PF to Drummond's C.

He is just biased

Lol.

But it has long seemed likely Monroe leaves as an unrestricted free agent this summer. If he does and the Pistons replace him with a stretch four – someone like Anthony Tolliver, who has started in Monroe’s absence – the Jackson-Drummond pairing could benefit.

The Pistons have scored 105.6 points points per 100 possessions since Jackson’s arrival, according tonbawowy!.

Drummond and Jackson with Monroe: 104.1
Drummond and Jackson without Monroe: 114.9

http://pistonpowered.com/2015/03/23/reggie-jackson-andre-drummond/

Jared Sullinger is essentially a shorter Greg Monroe. Look how the Reggie/Monroe/Drummond trio fared. They were meh and Monroe is better than Sullinger. Now look how the Jackson/Tolliver/Drummond trio fared. They were excellent and Olynyk is a much better version of Tolliver. In addition, remember SVG's most successful PFs next to Howard, Rashard Lewis and Ryan Anderson. Who fits that mold better, Olynyk or Sullinger? The answer is obvious.

You are the one who's biased. Regardless of fit, you think KO is better than Sullinger and yet you still think they'd rather take Sullinger. At least I have a reason for believing they'd prefer Olynyk.

[Tr1boy]

TP for the news. I followed the Pistons a lot the second half of the season. They could be an offensive force with Olynyk. Olynyk + 28 + 33 should do it. I wouldn't give them 16.

Naw KO stays . Sullinger can go. Don't be biased man =]

Haha, Detroit would want Olynyk more. He fits in far better with Drummond.

Why? Sully is the better rebounder, higher ceiling player. I'd think he'd be the better PF to Drummond's C.

He is just biased

Lol.

But it has long seemed likely Monroe leaves as an unrestricted free agent this summer. If he does and the Pistons replace him with a stretch four – someone like Anthony Tolliver, who has started in Monroe’s absence – the Jackson-Drummond pairing could benefit.

The Pistons have scored 105.6 points points per 100 possessions since Jackson’s arrival, according tonbawowy!.

Drummond and Jackson with Monroe: 104.1
Drummond and Jackson without Monroe: 114.9

http://pistonpowered.com/2015/03/23/reggie-jackson-andre-drummond/

Jared Sullinger is essentially a shorter Greg Monroe. Look how the Reggie/Monroe/Drummond trio fared. They were meh and Monroe is better than Sullinger. Now look how the Jackson/Tolliver/Drummond trio fared. They were excellent and Olynyk is a much better version of Tolliver. In addition, remember SVG's most successful PFs next to Howard, Rashard Lewis and Ryan Anderson. Who fits that mold better, Olynyk or Sullinger? The answer is obvious.

You are the one who's biased. Regardless of fit, you think KO is better than Sullinger and yet you still think they'd rather take Sullinger. At least I have a reason for believing they'd prefer Olynyk.

Celtics are not giving up on KO. CBS needs KO to stretch the floor.
Sullinger is up for a new contract also.

Are the Celtics planning to sign Sullinger for the long term? It's hard to say (especially considering injuries, poor shape)

[Tr1boy]

Sullinger also is a pf that can shoot the mid range J.  Monroe excelled as a Center that can't shoot from the perimeter.  Sullinger + Monroe will work better

[TheFlex]

TP for the news. I followed the Pistons a lot the second half of the season. They could be an offensive force with Olynyk. Olynyk + 28 + 33 should do it. I wouldn't give them 16.

Naw KO stays . Sullinger can go. Don't be biased man =]

Haha, Detroit would want Olynyk more. He fits in far better with Drummond.

Why? Sully is the better rebounder, higher ceiling player. I'd think he'd be the better PF to Drummond's C.

He is just biased

Lol.

But it has long seemed likely Monroe leaves as an unrestricted free agent this summer. If he does and the Pistons replace him with a stretch four – someone like Anthony Tolliver, who has started in Monroe’s absence – the Jackson-Drummond pairing could benefit.

The Pistons have scored 105.6 points points per 100 possessions since Jackson’s arrival, according tonbawowy!.

Drummond and Jackson with Monroe: 104.1
Drummond and Jackson without Monroe: 114.9

http://pistonpowered.com/2015/03/23/reggie-jackson-andre-drummond/

Jared Sullinger is essentially a shorter Greg Monroe. Look how the Reggie/Monroe/Drummond trio fared. They were meh and Monroe is better than Sullinger. Now look how the Jackson/Tolliver/Drummond trio fared. They were excellent and Olynyk is a much better version of Tolliver. In addition, remember SVG's most successful PFs next to Howard, Rashard Lewis and Ryan Anderson. Who fits that mold better, Olynyk or Sullinger? The answer is obvious.

You are the one who's biased. Regardless of fit, you think KO is better than Sullinger and yet you still think they'd rather take Sullinger. At least I have a reason for believing they'd prefer Olynyk.

Celtics are not giving up on KO. CBS needs KO to stretch the floor.
Sullinger is up for a new contract also.

Are the Celtics planning to sign Sullinger for the long term? It's hard to say (especially considering injuries, poor shape)

OK, they won't be getting the 8th pick then. At least not without giving up 16.

The reasons you listed for the Celts wanting to trade Sully before KO are the exact reasons the Pistons would demand Olynyk over Sullinger; most importantly, you admit that KO is a better floor spacer, which is what the Pistons primarily desire around Jackson/Drummond.

[TheFlex]

Sullinger also is a pf that can shoot the mid range J.  Monroe excelled as a Center that can't shoot from the perimeter.  Sullinger + Monroe will work better

I agree, I'd love Sullinger/Monroe on the Celts. But that's not the debate.

[Tr1boy]

TP for the news. I followed the Pistons a lot the second half of the season. They could be an offensive force with Olynyk. Olynyk + 28 + 33 should do it. I wouldn't give them 16.

Naw KO stays . Sullinger can go. Don't be biased man =]

Haha, Detroit would want Olynyk more. He fits in far better with Drummond.

Why? Sully is the better rebounder, higher ceiling player. I'd think he'd be the better PF to Drummond's C.

He is just biased

Lol.

But it has long seemed likely Monroe leaves as an unrestricted free agent this summer. If he does and the Pistons replace him with a stretch four – someone like Anthony Tolliver, who has started in Monroe’s absence – the Jackson-Drummond pairing could benefit.

The Pistons have scored 105.6 points points per 100 possessions since Jackson’s arrival, according tonbawowy!.

Drummond and Jackson with Monroe: 104.1
Drummond and Jackson without Monroe: 114.9

http://pistonpowered.com/2015/03/23/reggie-jackson-andre-drummond/

Jared Sullinger is essentially a shorter Greg Monroe. Look how the Reggie/Monroe/Drummond trio fared. They were meh and Monroe is better than Sullinger. Now look how the Jackson/Tolliver/Drummond trio fared. They were excellent and Olynyk is a much better version of Tolliver. In addition, remember SVG's most successful PFs next to Howard, Rashard Lewis and Ryan Anderson. Who fits that mold better, Olynyk or Sullinger? The answer is obvious.

You are the one who's biased. Regardless of fit, you think KO is better than Sullinger and yet you still think they'd rather take Sullinger. At least I have a reason for believing they'd prefer Olynyk.

Celtics are not giving up on KO. CBS needs KO to stretch the floor.
Sullinger is up for a new contract also.

Are the Celtics planning to sign Sullinger for the long term? It's hard to say (especially considering injuries, poor shape)

OK, they won't be getting the 8th pick then. At least not without giving up 16.

The reasons you listed for the Celts wanting to trade Sully before KO are the exact reasons the Pistons would demand Olynyk over Sullinger; most importantly, you admit that KO is a better floor spacer, which is what the Pistons primarily desire around Jackson/Drummond.

ok your losing it my friend lol

It's not like Detroit has said they will only deal with the Celtics and we have 24 hours to make a decision.

Unless WCS drops, can't see Danny giving up either Sullinger or KO plus the 16 for the 8th

[TheFlex]

TP for the news. I followed the Pistons a lot the second half of the season. They could be an offensive force with Olynyk. Olynyk + 28 + 33 should do it. I wouldn't give them 16.

Naw KO stays . Sullinger can go. Don't be biased man =]

Haha, Detroit would want Olynyk more. He fits in far better with Drummond.

Why? Sully is the better rebounder, higher ceiling player. I'd think he'd be the better PF to Drummond's C.

He is just biased

Lol.

But it has long seemed likely Monroe leaves as an unrestricted free agent this summer. If he does and the Pistons replace him with a stretch four – someone like Anthony Tolliver, who has started in Monroe’s absence – the Jackson-Drummond pairing could benefit.

The Pistons have scored 105.6 points points per 100 possessions since Jackson’s arrival, according tonbawowy!.

Drummond and Jackson with Monroe: 104.1
Drummond and Jackson without Monroe: 114.9

http://pistonpowered.com/2015/03/23/reggie-jackson-andre-drummond/

Jared Sullinger is essentially a shorter Greg Monroe. Look how the Reggie/Monroe/Drummond trio fared. They were meh and Monroe is better than Sullinger. Now look how the Jackson/Tolliver/Drummond trio fared. They were excellent and Olynyk is a much better version of Tolliver. In addition, remember SVG's most successful PFs next to Howard, Rashard Lewis and Ryan Anderson. Who fits that mold better, Olynyk or Sullinger? The answer is obvious.

You are the one who's biased. Regardless of fit, you think KO is better than Sullinger and yet you still think they'd rather take Sullinger. At least I have a reason for believing they'd prefer Olynyk.

Celtics are not giving up on KO. CBS needs KO to stretch the floor.
Sullinger is up for a new contract also.

Are the Celtics planning to sign Sullinger for the long term? It's hard to say (especially considering injuries, poor shape)

OK, they won't be getting the 8th pick then. At least not without giving up 16.

The reasons you listed for the Celts wanting to trade Sully before KO are the exact reasons the Pistons would demand Olynyk over Sullinger; most importantly, you admit that KO is a better floor spacer, which is what the Pistons primarily desire around Jackson/Drummond.

ok your losing it my friend lol

It's not like Detroit has said they will only deal with the Celtics and we have 24 hours to make a decision.

Unless WCS drops, can't see Danny giving up either Sullinger or KO plus the 16 for the 8th

Yes, the C's would decline Sullinger + 16 for 8. The only trade I see the two agreeing on is KO + 28 + 33, because Olynyk so perfectly complements Jackson/Drummond. I've explained why this is true and you've yet to respond to those points.

[Tr1boy]

TP for the news. I followed the Pistons a lot the second half of the season. They could be an offensive force with Olynyk. Olynyk + 28 + 33 should do it. I wouldn't give them 16.

Naw KO stays . Sullinger can go. Don't be biased man =]

Haha, Detroit would want Olynyk more. He fits in far better with Drummond.

Why? Sully is the better rebounder, higher ceiling player. I'd think he'd be the better PF to Drummond's C.

He is just biased

Lol.

But it has long seemed likely Monroe leaves as an unrestricted free agent this summer. If he does and the Pistons replace him with a stretch four – someone like Anthony Tolliver, who has started in Monroe’s absence – the Jackson-Drummond pairing could benefit.

The Pistons have scored 105.6 points points per 100 possessions since Jackson’s arrival, according tonbawowy!.

Drummond and Jackson with Monroe: 104.1
Drummond and Jackson without Monroe: 114.9

http://pistonpowered.com/2015/03/23/reggie-jackson-andre-drummond/

Jared Sullinger is essentially a shorter Greg Monroe. Look how the Reggie/Monroe/Drummond trio fared. They were meh and Monroe is better than Sullinger. Now look how the Jackson/Tolliver/Drummond trio fared. They were excellent and Olynyk is a much better version of Tolliver. In addition, remember SVG's most successful PFs next to Howard, Rashard Lewis and Ryan Anderson. Who fits that mold better, Olynyk or Sullinger? The answer is obvious.

You are the one who's biased. Regardless of fit, you think KO is better than Sullinger and yet you still think they'd rather take Sullinger. At least I have a reason for believing they'd prefer Olynyk.

Celtics are not giving up on KO. CBS needs KO to stretch the floor.
Sullinger is up for a new contract also.

Are the Celtics planning to sign Sullinger for the long term? It's hard to say (especially considering injuries, poor shape)

OK, they won't be getting the 8th pick then. At least not without giving up 16.

The reasons you listed for the Celts wanting to trade Sully before KO are the exact reasons the Pistons would demand Olynyk over Sullinger; most importantly, you admit that KO is a better floor spacer, which is what the Pistons primarily desire around Jackson/Drummond.

ok your losing it my friend lol

It's not like Detroit has said they will only deal with the Celtics and we have 24 hours to make a decision.

Unless WCS drops, can't see Danny giving up either Sullinger or KO plus the 16 for the 8th

Yes, the C's would decline Sullinger + 16 for 8. The only trade I see the two agreeing on is KO + 28 + 33, because Olynyk so perfectly complements Jackson/Drummond. I've explained why this is true and you've yet to respond to those points.

The pistons are not taking that deal.  16 would definitely have to be included one way or the other

And Celts are not ready to give up on KO.

[LilRip]

I look forward to this draft and it's refreshing to hear that we have a real possibility of being able to trade up into the top 10. The team isn't anywhere near being a contender and we need more talent, overall. We have Smart. It'd be great to have another high quality prospect.

[Geo123]

TP for the news. I followed the Pistons a lot the second half of the season. They could be an offensive force with Olynyk. Olynyk + 28 + 33 should do it. I wouldn't give them 16.

Do you really think so? I

Its so hard to get a read on KO's value because hes shown for a quarter or two at a time that he can be a close to elite offensive weapon. I mean he has great bbiq, hes a good passer, hes tremendous at driving and finishing at the hoop, and can shoot the 3. Add to that that he seems to be adding some post moves modeled after Dirk(I assume).

Put him next to a rebound swalllowing rim protector like Drummond and I think you could be right.

If I could do this deal I would.

The Reggie Jackson-Andre Drummond duo became dominant when Monroe went down and stretch 4 Anthony Tolliver took his place in the starting lineup. On that team KO would be at best the 3rd option, so the concerns about his reluctance to shoot would be minimized.

I'm going to reform my hypothetical offer. Find a team in the 20-25 range that loves Upshaw. Trade them 28 + 33 for their pick. Send KO + the top 25 pick for #8. Pistons select Justin Anderson with the pick, one of the draft's prototypical 3/D wings.

Reggie Jackson
KCP
Anderson
Olynyk
Drummond

It's a young team -- and I'm sure they'd prefer to sign a vet 3/D SF while bringing Anderson along for a few years -- but I really think that team would make the playoffs purely based on fit.

There is no way KO and a top25 pick gets you up to #8.....

[krumeto]

TP for the news. I followed the Pistons a lot the second half of the season. They could be an offensive force with Olynyk. Olynyk + 28 + 33 should do it. I wouldn't give them 16.

Naw KO stays . Sullinger can go. Don't be biased man =]

Haha, Detroit would want Olynyk more. He fits in far better with Drummond.

Why? Sully is the better rebounder, higher ceiling player. I'd think he'd be the better PF to Drummond's C.

He is just biased

Lol.

But it has long seemed likely Monroe leaves as an unrestricted free agent this summer. If he does and the Pistons replace him with a stretch four – someone like Anthony Tolliver, who has started in Monroe’s absence – the Jackson-Drummond pairing could benefit.

The Pistons have scored 105.6 points points per 100 possessions since Jackson’s arrival, according tonbawowy!.

Drummond and Jackson with Monroe: 104.1
Drummond and Jackson without Monroe: 114.9

http://pistonpowered.com/2015/03/23/reggie-jackson-andre-drummond/

Jared Sullinger is essentially a shorter Greg Monroe. Look how the Reggie/Monroe/Drummond trio fared. They were meh and Monroe is better than Sullinger. Now look how the Jackson/Tolliver/Drummond trio fared. They were excellent and Olynyk is a much better version of Tolliver. In addition, remember SVG's most successful PFs next to Howard, Rashard Lewis and Ryan Anderson. Who fits that mold better, Olynyk or Sullinger? The answer is obvious.

You are the one who's biased. Regardless of fit, you think KO is better than Sullinger and yet you still think they'd rather take Sullinger. At least I have a reason for believing they'd prefer Olynyk.

Celtics are not giving up on KO. CBS needs KO to stretch the floor.
Sullinger is up for a new contract also.

Are the Celtics planning to sign Sullinger for the long term? It's hard to say (especially considering injuries, poor shape)

OK, they won't be getting the 8th pick then. At least not without giving up 16.

The reasons you listed for the Celts wanting to trade Sully before KO are the exact reasons the Pistons would demand Olynyk over Sullinger; most importantly, you admit that KO is a better floor spacer, which is what the Pistons primarily desire around Jackson/Drummond.

ok your losing it my friend lol

It's not like Detroit has said they will only deal with the Celtics and we have 24 hours to make a decision.

Unless WCS drops, can't see Danny giving up either Sullinger or KO plus the 16 for the 8th

Yes, the C's would decline Sullinger + 16 for 8. The only trade I see the two agreeing on is KO + 28 + 33, because Olynyk so perfectly complements Jackson/Drummond. I've explained why this is true and you've yet to respond to those points.

The pistons are not taking that deal.  16 would definitely have to be included one way or the other

And Celts are not ready to give up on KO.

What about James Young+28+33+45 for 8?

Stan gets a shooter in progress  + picks. A core of RJ, Young, KCP, Drummond is of similar age with good potential.

We get 8 and draft SJ or whomever slides and retain 16 where we have some good options too. Dream case for me - Stanley Johnson + RJ Hunter (I know it is stretch, but he is much more than just a shooter).

[slamtheking]

Sullinger, ET, 16th, 33rd pick I think does the job

or

Sullinger, Young, 16th

Both trade ideas could be too much for the 8th

Pistons need to replace losing Monroe and a SF. 


Players drafted before 8 .  Okafor, Towns, Russell, WCS, Porzingis, Mudiay, Winslow

That leaves them with a choice of Hezonja, Johnson, Turner, Booker, Oubre

I'd hate to give up Sully.  would prefer to give up KO.  would give KO and #16 (and throw in #45).  wouldn't give a whole lot more for a player who hopes to be a decent starter but less than an all-star player and certainly not a sure thing.

[slamtheking]

Just spitballing:
Sacramento: Jennings, Olynyk, 16
Detroit: Sully, Stauskas, Turner, 28
Boston: Thompson, 6, 8

Don't think the kings will want Jennings.  They will try to get Lawson without giving up the 6th pick
To Sac: Jennings, ET, 16th pick, future 1st
To Det: Sullinger, Stauskus, 28th pick
To Celtics: 6th and 8th picks

6th pick: WCS
8th pick: Johnson

I've generally been against trading Sully just to move up in the draft (at least deals including the #16 pick) but I can't see how these deals aren't winners for the C's.

Although for 6 and 8, I'd seriously consider Henzonja or Porzingis at 6 and WCS at 8.  then again, WCS is considered the prize so if taken at 6, on of H or P will still be there at 8.  I like Johnson but if I have a choice of H or P and Johnson, I'd take H or P.

I think H gives us that go-to scorer we need (I'm not a fan of IT in that role) and Porzingis projects to be a better version of KO.
would need to resign Bass probably if the goal is to get to the playoffs and probably resign Jerebko too.  Would definitely need Crowder back. 

[TheFlex]

TP for the news. I followed the Pistons a lot the second half of the season. They could be an offensive force with Olynyk. Olynyk + 28 + 33 should do it. I wouldn't give them 16.

Naw KO stays . Sullinger can go. Don't be biased man =]

Haha, Detroit would want Olynyk more. He fits in far better with Drummond.

Why? Sully is the better rebounder, higher ceiling player. I'd think he'd be the better PF to Drummond's C.

He is just biased

Lol.

But it has long seemed likely Monroe leaves as an unrestricted free agent this summer. If he does and the Pistons replace him with a stretch four – someone like Anthony Tolliver, who has started in Monroe’s absence – the Jackson-Drummond pairing could benefit.

The Pistons have scored 105.6 points points per 100 possessions since Jackson’s arrival, according tonbawowy!.

Drummond and Jackson with Monroe: 104.1
Drummond and Jackson without Monroe: 114.9

http://pistonpowered.com/2015/03/23/reggie-jackson-andre-drummond/

Jared Sullinger is essentially a shorter Greg Monroe. Look how the Reggie/Monroe/Drummond trio fared. They were meh and Monroe is better than Sullinger. Now look how the Jackson/Tolliver/Drummond trio fared. They were excellent and Olynyk is a much better version of Tolliver. In addition, remember SVG's most successful PFs next to Howard, Rashard Lewis and Ryan Anderson. Who fits that mold better, Olynyk or Sullinger? The answer is obvious.

You are the one who's biased. Regardless of fit, you think KO is better than Sullinger and yet you still think they'd rather take Sullinger. At least I have a reason for believing they'd prefer Olynyk.

Celtics are not giving up on KO. CBS needs KO to stretch the floor.
Sullinger is up for a new contract also.

Are the Celtics planning to sign Sullinger for the long term? It's hard to say (especially considering injuries, poor shape)

OK, they won't be getting the 8th pick then. At least not without giving up 16.

The reasons you listed for the Celts wanting to trade Sully before KO are the exact reasons the Pistons would demand Olynyk over Sullinger; most importantly, you admit that KO is a better floor spacer, which is what the Pistons primarily desire around Jackson/Drummond.

ok your losing it my friend lol

It's not like Detroit has said they will only deal with the Celtics and we have 24 hours to make a decision.

Unless WCS drops, can't see Danny giving up either Sullinger or KO plus the 16 for the 8th

Yes, the C's would decline Sullinger + 16 for 8. The only trade I see the two agreeing on is KO + 28 + 33, because Olynyk so perfectly complements Jackson/Drummond. I've explained why this is true and you've yet to respond to those points.

The pistons are not taking that deal.  16 would definitely have to be included one way or the other

And Celts are not ready to give up on KO.

What about James Young+28+33+45 for 8?

Stan gets a shooter in progress  + picks. A core of RJ, Young, KCP, Drummond is of similar age with good potential.

We get 8 and draft SJ or whomever slides and retain 16 where we have some good options too. Dream case for me - Stanley Johnson + RJ Hunter (I know it is stretch, but he is much more than just a shooter).

Pistons would reject this deal.

KO + 28 + 33 (maybe + 45) is the only deal I see either team agreeing to. Seems C's value Sullinger more when he's healthy. Pistons would value Olynyk more with Jackson/Drummond (poor shooters) in place. Olynyk is also locked up 1 year longer than Sullinger, which is important to a team like Detroit if they have a disappointing year and are afraid guys will walk in FA.