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Re: Steve Bulpett: Next year's team could be worse than this years
« Reply #30 on: May 31, 2015, 10:09:57 PM »

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And Al Farooq Aminu??? Seriously??



The Chief Has Arrived Aminu might have been my favorite part of Pho's hypothetical roster for next year.  That dude proved himself to be one of the best and most versatile (and most underrated) defenders in the league last year.

I'd be ecstatic if we signed him this off-season.

I'd be stoked if the Celtics signed Aminu and the other guy with an awesome name -- The Prince Luc Richard Mbah a Moute.

We need some royalty on the Celtics.

In all seriousness, I've been disappointed to see LMAM waste away on the Bucks, Timberwolves and Sixers the past season or two.  He's a versatile defensive player and a solid rebounder for a 3/4 type.  Would like to see him get a chance to carve a role on a respectable team.
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Re: Steve Bulpett: Next year's team could be worse than this years
« Reply #31 on: May 31, 2015, 10:10:30 PM »

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I agree with Flex.  It takes some fairly stout cynicism to see regression as a more likely outcome than improvement (however slight it may be) for this young team.

DKC Seventy-Sixers:

PG: G. Hill/D. Schroder
SG: C. Lee/B. Hield/T. Luwawu
SF:  Giannis/J. Lamb/M. Kuzminskas
PF:  E. Ilyasova/J. Jerebko/R. Christmas
C:    N. Vucevic/K. Olynyk/E. Davis/C. Jefferson

Re: Steve Bulpett: Next year's team could be worse than this years
« Reply #32 on: May 31, 2015, 10:13:37 PM »

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Could go either way, key contributors to our success this past year should or will be missing. Step forwards from our young talent should be able to replace it and surpass it, but it may not. Unknown what trades and acquisitions we'll make.

So in all, yes we could be worse, but we could be better, or we can remain pretty much the same. Not a lot of insight to give at this point... all to say.... ANYTHING IS POSSIBLEEEEEEE!!

Re: Steve Bulpett: Next year's team could be worse than this years
« Reply #33 on: May 31, 2015, 10:15:31 PM »

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And Al Farooq Aminu??? Seriously??



The Chief Has Arrived Aminu might have been my favorite part of Pho's hypothetical roster for next year.  That dude proved himself to be one of the best and most versatile (and most underrated) defenders in the league last year.

I'd be ecstatic if we signed him this off-season.

I'd be stoked if the Celtics signed Aminu and the other guy with an awesome name -- The Prince Luc Richard Mbah a Moute.

We need some royalty on the Celtics.

In all seriousness, I've been disappointed to see LMAM waste away on the Bucks, Timberwolves and Sixers the past season or two.  He's a versatile defensive player and a solid rebounder for a 3/4 type.  Would like to see him get a chance to carve a role on a respectable team.

I'm being serious, too.  I really like Aminu as a player.  I honestly think he's about the closest thing in the league to being a player who can legitimately guard five positions effectively. 

It just so happens that both of our binkies come from African royal families. 
DKC Seventy-Sixers:

PG: G. Hill/D. Schroder
SG: C. Lee/B. Hield/T. Luwawu
SF:  Giannis/J. Lamb/M. Kuzminskas
PF:  E. Ilyasova/J. Jerebko/R. Christmas
C:    N. Vucevic/K. Olynyk/E. Davis/C. Jefferson

Re: Steve Bulpett: Next year's team could be worse than this years
« Reply #34 on: May 31, 2015, 10:20:16 PM »

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Just to flesh this out, here's a really easy way the team could be worse next year:

- Let Bass, Jerebko, and Datome walk.

- Give Crowder the QO but let him walk when some desperate team offers him well over the full MLE.

- Stay put in the draft at all spots and make a couple of draft-and-stash picks in the second round. (e.g. Portis, Wright, Jaiteh, Vezenkov)

- Sign a couple of young-ish buy-low guys (e.g. Biyombo, Aminu)



Opening night roster:

Smart / Thomas / Pressey
Bradley / Young / Wright
Turner / Aminu / Wallace
Sullinger / Portis
Zeller / Olynyk / Biyombo
agreed. this is a point i made a while ago. this team over achieved and were amazingly fun to watch. but can they repeat the magic? i honestly dont know. they might make the playoffs again. but they might also take a step back.

without a major FA i dont see much improvement taking place in terms of talent. the draft, even if the celtics move up, will not provide an immediate impact player. look at smart. it took around 1/2 of a season for him to make himself really felt on this team. the next rookie(s) will probably be the same.

i hope the team improves. but i wont be upset if the team take a step back. it is, after all, a rebuild.

so let's not scream the sky is falling, or demand CBS' head on a platter, or threaten Wyc with a collective cb hissy fit unless he fires ainge immediately. rebuilds take time, so we need to buckle up.
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Re: Steve Bulpett: Next year's team could be worse than this years
« Reply #35 on: May 31, 2015, 10:34:50 PM »

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Just to flesh this out, here's a really easy way the team could be worse next year:

- Let Bass, Jerebko, and Datome walk.

- Give Crowder the QO but let him walk when some desperate team offers him well over the full MLE.

- Stay put in the draft at all spots and make a couple of draft-and-stash picks in the second round. (e.g. Portis, Wright, Jaiteh, Vezenkov)

- Sign a couple of young-ish buy-low guys (e.g. Biyombo, Aminu)



Opening night roster:

Smart / Thomas / Pressey
Bradley / Young / Wright
Turner / Aminu / Wallace
Sullinger / Portis
Zeller / Olynyk / Biyombo
agreed. this is a point i made a while ago. this team over achieved and were amazingly fun to watch. but can they repeat the magic? i honestly dont know. they might make the playoffs again. but they might also take a step back.

without a major FA i dont see much improvement taking place in terms of talent. the draft, even if the celtics move up, will not provide an immediate impact player. look at smart. it took around 1/2 of a season for him to make himself really felt on this team. the next rookie(s) will probably be the same.

i hope the team improves. but i wont be upset if the team take a step back. it is, after all, a rebuild.

so let's not scream the sky is falling, or demand CBS' head on a platter, or threaten Wyc with a collective cb hissy fit unless he fires ainge immediately. rebuilds take time, so we need to buckle up.

I promise not to do any of these things if we regress, but I still think improvement is more likely. 
DKC Seventy-Sixers:

PG: G. Hill/D. Schroder
SG: C. Lee/B. Hield/T. Luwawu
SF:  Giannis/J. Lamb/M. Kuzminskas
PF:  E. Ilyasova/J. Jerebko/R. Christmas
C:    N. Vucevic/K. Olynyk/E. Davis/C. Jefferson

Re: Steve Bulpett: Next year's team could be worse than this years
« Reply #36 on: May 31, 2015, 10:37:48 PM »

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Makes sense.  As is, this is a 32-45 win team.

Re: Steve Bulpett: Next year's team could be worse than this years
« Reply #37 on: May 31, 2015, 10:41:32 PM »

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Makes sense.  As is, this is a 32-45 win team.

I say we'll be closer to 45 than 32. 
DKC Seventy-Sixers:

PG: G. Hill/D. Schroder
SG: C. Lee/B. Hield/T. Luwawu
SF:  Giannis/J. Lamb/M. Kuzminskas
PF:  E. Ilyasova/J. Jerebko/R. Christmas
C:    N. Vucevic/K. Olynyk/E. Davis/C. Jefferson

Re: Steve Bulpett: Next year's team could be worse than this years
« Reply #38 on: May 31, 2015, 10:46:19 PM »

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NYC will be better I wager with Melo and pick.   Philly adds more talent and get Embiid back.   DET has a nice pick and some talent.   Wham, we don't make the playoffs and Bulpett is right.  It could easily happen.   I think there is as good as chance other teams improve as we improve as a team.

We played hard last year, but other teams were tanking.  It will take a good draft and or deft signings for us to maintain our status quo.

Re: Steve Bulpett: Next year's team could be worse than this years
« Reply #39 on: May 31, 2015, 10:53:09 PM »

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Anige was upset? Any proof of that or he's just being negative for sake of it?

not sure about upset but he did his best to strip all the talent he could off the team.  He was probably expecting the team to hang in there in alot of games (bc of CBS as coach alone), but we won alot of games, close games instead.  One of the hottest teams in the 2nd half

If he didn't go out and get IT , we would of probably not made the playoffs. 

This said, Bulpett is incorrect.  The east will still remain weak. Brooklyn is set to self destruct.
Will George ever be 100 percent again?  Bosh and Wade are looking to be more and more on the injured list

Celtics need to do their homework for the draft.  Because that is the only sure way this team has at this time to become better and replace guys like Bass, Jerebko.   But don't forget other players like Sullinger, KO, Zeller, Smart and Young should be better players. 

For the draft if we can't move up,  I'm not sure who Danny has in mind but I want at least Mickey on the team.  Everyone on this forum probably knows this by now.   I really would not mind also adding Christmas and Richaun Holmes too   Have shot blocking guard dogs out on the court at all times , add explosiveness/above the rim presence that could propel this team to another level.   I want guys like Lebron to think twice before driving in whenever he feels like it

Re: Steve Bulpett: Next year's team could be worse than this years
« Reply #40 on: May 31, 2015, 10:57:39 PM »

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Makes sense.  As is, this is a 32-45 win team.

That is such a wide range. So given this past season we could be either Washington or Charlotte. You're given yourself a lot of margin for error (aka hedging your bets).

Re: Steve Bulpett: Next year's team could be worse than this years
« Reply #41 on: May 31, 2015, 11:28:09 PM »

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Just to flesh this out, here's a really easy way the team could be worse next year:

- Let Bass, Jerebko, and Datome walk.

- Give Crowder the QO but let him walk when some desperate team offers him well over the full MLE.

- Stay put in the draft at all spots and make a couple of draft-and-stash picks in the second round. (e.g. Portis, Wright, Jaiteh, Vezenkov)

- Sign a couple of young-ish buy-low guys (e.g. Biyombo, Aminu)



Opening night roster:

Smart / Thomas / Pressey
Bradley / Young / Wright
Turner / Aminu / Wallace
Sullinger / Portis
Zeller / Olynyk / Biyombo

Sophomore Smart/more integrated IT
Older AB/Sophomore Young

is better than the backcourt we had over the entire course of last season.

Turner/Aminu is about as good if not better than Turner/Crowder.

Older Sullinger/Portis
More integrated and older Zeller/Older Olynyk/Big mob

is superior to the frontcourt we had over the entire course of last season.

With the youth of our team, including that of our coach's, and considering the hole that the Rondo/Green duo dug the team into early on, it is very hard -- even ignoring all the possibilities of immediate upgrades such as Love, Cousins, Monroe, Thibs as defensive assistant -- to imagine us being worse than last year record-wise.

This is just as much nonsense as optimists portraying the slim chance that we're getting Love to be a reliable option for the team's summer plans. We won't be worse next year, barring injury.

Edit: oh, and, I doubt Danny was disappointed we made the playoffs.

And the flip side is Smart has a sophomore slump, Bradley, Sully and Olynyk all regress and do we really need to say anything else about Turner and how inconsistent he is?

I'd want no part of a roster like that.

And Al Farooq Aminu??? Seriously??

At least bring Crowder back.

Sure, it's possible that we're worse for the reasons you mention, but far from likely. What percentage of teams with the number of 28 and under players that we have end up seeing regressions in more players than they do improvements? I'd guess it's well under 50%.

Aminu played essentially the same role Crowder did on the Celtics for a bit better Mavericks squad playing in a tougher conference. Even if you don't buy into the argument that he has a higher ceiling because of his facilitation skills on offense and defense, he's not a worse player by any means.



This is just as much nonsense as optimists portraying the slim chance that we're getting Love to be a reliable option for the team's summer plans. We won't be worse next year, barring injury.


Eh, except for all of the other variables that can bring a (very, very young) team down aside from injury.

Look, I'll be the first to admit it's entirely possible the team could win MORE games next year if they head into next year with substantially the same roster. 

It's also very possible the team stumbles its way to 30 wins, or some similarly disappointing total.

Why are people so certain the Celtics are just gonna keep rolling at the same kind of pace they were on toward the end of this season, when we just watched a far more talented Hawks team race out to a league-leading record only to play .500 ball straight on into the playoffs?  The Hawks weren't really hammered by the injury bug until they got to the playoffs, either.

The smaller sample size you have with a core group of players, especially young players, the harder it is to predict how successful they will be in the future.  That principle worked in the Celtics' favor this season to the tune of 40 wins -- 10 more than the typical prediction for the team before the season started.  It could easily go the other way next year.

It's not just entirely possible, it's more likely than not.

You ask things like why people are "certain" that we'll be better. Sure, I said definitively that we "won't" be worse, just like many of those that agree with your point of view say definitively that we "won't" get Love. Everyone agrees there is an existent albeit slim chance of landing Love, but it is "slim" that is the key word which makes such absoluteness excusable. In other words, there is a chance that 5-6 of our best young guys look worse than they did last year, but the chances of such an outcome don't seem significant enough to me to even inject it as an alarming possibility into the conversation.

Looking at our final record as an indication of this current group's capability is rooted in a false premise. It's not the same team that looked high lottery bound. And while it's very possible that the league adapts to us coming to play every night, even a notable regression from the 2014-15 IT-led Celtics' win percentage would only bring us back to .500 ball. Over the course of the season that is still 1 win more than we had last season, highlighting the ridiculousness of recognizing an even more extreme regression as being legitimately feasible.


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Re: Steve Bulpett: Next year's team could be worse than this years
« Reply #42 on: May 31, 2015, 11:30:31 PM »

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I'm of the mindset that the Celtics' record to finish the season wasn't really indicative of much and I suspect Ainge feels the same way, so I wouldn't be surprised if the teams ends up being worse next year as Danny avoids any "get rich quick" schemes.

Re: Steve Bulpett: Next year's team could be worse than this years
« Reply #43 on: May 31, 2015, 11:36:59 PM »

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Re: Steve Bulpett: Next year's team could be worse than this years
« Reply #44 on: May 31, 2015, 11:44:57 PM »

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Just to flesh this out, here's a really easy way the team could be worse next year:

- Let Bass, Jerebko, and Datome walk.

- Give Crowder the QO but let him walk when some desperate team offers him well over the full MLE.

- Stay put in the draft at all spots and make a couple of draft-and-stash picks in the second round. (e.g. Portis, Wright, Jaiteh, Vezenkov)

- Sign a couple of young-ish buy-low guys (e.g. Biyombo, Aminu)



Opening night roster:

Smart / Thomas / Pressey
Bradley / Young / Wright
Turner / Aminu / Wallace
Sullinger / Portis
Zeller / Olynyk / Biyombo

But, that team could make the playoffs again.  They could even be a little bit better.

Exactly. And this is the worst case scenario.

I really do not get the sky is falling upon us feeling.