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Re: Hypothetical: We Get WCS, Now What?
« Reply #15 on: May 20, 2015, 01:29:48 PM »

Offline danglertx

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Can I vote for, it doesn't matter who you draft, it matters who you trade for and sign as a free agent.  Towns and Okafor will be lucky to turn out as good as Monroe.  If WCS becomes Jordan it would be a very fortunate outcome.  Rookies very seldom turn out how people think they will. 

Remember when everyone was so excited about Greg Oden?  All these guys are crap shoots.  Not one of them can be even good NBA players without developing more and which of those guys will continue to develop is a total unknown. 

If I had to pick one of the two though, I'd keep KO.  Maybe WCS becomes an alley oop threat and KO can pass really well.  Also, if he becomes the rim protector many think we need, then that lessens the liability KO is on defense and rebounding.

I mean, I would definitely prefer a Love/DJ pairing, too, but in my opinion WCS and KO are much more realistic and cheap right now than the former pair.

I'm not even sure about a Love DeAndre pairing.  If we sign Jordan do we need WCS who might be the poor man's Jordan?  WCS can move his feet better than Jordan, but Jordan is a man down low, both can't hit free throws although WCS has a chance to improve and if Jordan hasn't gotten better by now..., neither has a low post game to speak of or an outside shot so they seem totally redundant.  They certainly couldn't play together. 

What if we sign Love, Jimmy Butler, and draft WCS while keeping KO.  Or  sign Love and sign Kawhi since I read something about SA being reluctant to give him a max deal.  Then we could roll out a free agent post, maybe that tall goofy foreign dude from the Rockets and then the Pelicans who for some reason I can't think of his name atm, Love at the 4, Leonard at the 3, Bradley or his replacement at the 2 (maybe Young), Smart at the 1 with WCS, IT4, KO, resign the Swede, also Crowder, and whoever else is left and Wallace for one more year off the bench.

The point I was trying to make though, is that no rookie from this year's class is going to make a difference next year, or probably any year.  Picks build depth but free agency and trades bring difference makers.  If we strike out on trades and free agency, keep building assets.

Re: Hypothetical: We Get WCS, Now What?
« Reply #16 on: May 20, 2015, 01:35:45 PM »

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If we could draft WCS I would just keep Sully and Olynyk because I think that either could play well with WCS. And then Zeller could back him up.
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Re: Hypothetical: We Get WCS, Now What?
« Reply #17 on: May 20, 2015, 03:54:31 PM »

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Can I vote for, it doesn't matter who you draft, it matters who you trade for and sign as a free agent.  Towns and Okafor will be lucky to turn out as good as Monroe.  If WCS becomes Jordan it would be a very fortunate outcome.  Rookies very seldom turn out how people think they will. 

Remember when everyone was so excited about Greg Oden?  All these guys are crap shoots.  Not one of them can be even good NBA players without developing more and which of those guys will continue to develop is a total unknown. 

If I had to pick one of the two though, I'd keep KO.  Maybe WCS becomes an alley oop threat and KO can pass really well.  Also, if he becomes the rim protector many think we need, then that lessens the liability KO is on defense and rebounding.

Finally, some sense!
Everyone are plus or minus obsess by acquiring a top pick for WCS and give players + pick(s) for that.
To me, it is very simple. Either the player you are targeting is a freak of nature (Lebron, Davis, Durant) or you simply trade picks with picks. You can't trade proven players for a 30% chance the player you'll get might be a bit better. 70% of the time you will lose value in the trade.
Funny thing, I was looking at the last 10 years of draft yesterday, and today an article in CB front page just came out about the last 20 years of the draft. I suggest you all take a look, very informative and come back and tell me if all the trade proposal I see everywhere here are ok.

Re: Hypothetical: We Get WCS, Now What?
« Reply #18 on: May 20, 2015, 06:50:44 PM »

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Kelly and Jared are just guys; nothing special.  They can be replaced fairly easily.  So sure, you take the chance on WCS who could be a plus defender. 

But if I am on the other side, I don't trade the opportunity to draft WCS for either Jared or Kelly.  Not even close actually.

Re: Hypothetical: We Get WCS, Now What?
« Reply #19 on: May 20, 2015, 06:57:01 PM »

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I'd love to see Kelly Olynyk paired with Willie Cauly Stein.
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Re: Hypothetical: We Get WCS, Now What?
« Reply #20 on: May 20, 2015, 07:03:35 PM »

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Sullinger. Pretty easy answer.

I'm not down on KO, but when Sullinger is healthy it's hard if not impossible to make the case that he's been worse than KO. He's also a full year younger. The weight is a concern, but people act like Sullinger hasn't almost averaged a double-double for two straight seasons along with passing statistics that exceed Olynyk's even at 280-300 lbs. The real concern is that he'll get even heavier. That's a legitimate issue, but the doomsday camp that predicts Sullinger will be out of the league in 2 years if he doesn't drop weight seems to ignore his success even with the weight he's carrying.


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Re: Hypothetical: We Get WCS, Now What?
« Reply #21 on: May 20, 2015, 07:09:24 PM »

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Sullinger. Pretty easy answer.

I'm not down on KO, but when Sullinger is healthy it's hard if not impossible to make the case that he's been worse than KO. He's also a full year younger. The weight is a concern, but people act like Sullinger hasn't almost averaged a double-double for two straight seasons along with passing statistics that exceed Olynyk's even at 280-300 lbs. The real concern is that he'll get even heavier. That's a legitimate issue, but the doomsday camp that predicts Sullinger will be out of the league in 2 years if he doesn't drop weight seems to ignore his success even with the weight he's carrying.

I guess the doomsday camp would argue that Sully is a heavy guy who has already had back and foot problems.  Those don't tend to go away, especially for hulking guys who have to run every day.

Re: Hypothetical: We Get WCS, Now What?
« Reply #22 on: May 20, 2015, 07:21:31 PM »

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WCS is this years Royce White.

haven't yall learned Danny's steez yet? 

Re: Hypothetical: We Get WCS, Now What?
« Reply #23 on: May 20, 2015, 07:35:23 PM »

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WCS is this years Royce White.

haven't yall learned Danny's steez yet?

I wouldn't mind us moving up for WCS but this just ruined my image of him. I hope we don't now.
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Re: Hypothetical: We Get WCS, Now What?
« Reply #24 on: May 20, 2015, 08:47:03 PM »

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Sullinger. Pretty easy answer.

I'm not down on KO, but when Sullinger is healthy it's hard if not impossible to make the case that he's been worse than KO. He's also a full year younger. The weight is a concern, but people act like Sullinger hasn't almost averaged a double-double for two straight seasons along with passing statistics that exceed Olynyk's even at 280-300 lbs. The real concern is that he'll get even heavier. That's a legitimate issue, but the doomsday camp that predicts Sullinger will be out of the league in 2 years if he doesn't drop weight seems to ignore his success even with the weight he's carrying.

I guess the doomsday camp would argue that Sully is a heavy guy who has already had back and foot problems.  Those don't tend to go away, especially for hulking guys who have to run every day.

Olynyk has been having foot problems since he arrived in the NBA as well, let's not forget.