Getting the 4th Pick

[Tr1boy]

Woj tweeted: At No. 4, expect that the Knicks draft pick will be very available in trade talks.


So what will it take to get that pick?

Bos 2015, LAC 2015, Bradley, KO, and 2016 BRK is that enough? Too much?

Not enough

Knicks will certainly entertain that offer. But likely for 2015 16, 33rd , 2015 clippers 1st and Sullinger

They have a very empty roster, they need to add bodies.

They were looking at Towns, Okafor or Russell. Mudiay is not someone that is their 1st choice. Not a very good shooter .  Worse case they take Winslow but that is not their immediate need.   WCS is not talented offensively.   Pozingis is a project

So if the trade is agreed upon Danny will then draft WCS with the 4th

Celtics lineup after trade
WCS
KO
Turner
AB
Smart

Zeller
Mickey or Mccullough (28th pick).
Crowder
Young
IT
Richaun Holmes (45th pick)


Knicks
16th pick - Payne
33rd pick - Christmas

FA pickups

Lineup
Christmas
Sullinger
Melo
Hardaway jr.
Payne

The Knicks have an empty lineup because they want all that cap space to acquire free agents.  At a minimum, I expect them to pick up Monroe in free agency.  I can't see Jackson trading the #4 pick for your proposed offer.  He's going to want good established players not a few lousy picks and Sully.  The Knicks aren't going anywhere with your proposed lineup.  If we do manage to get the #4 pick, I would be quite disappointed if we selected WCS.  I think he has very limited upside and should go around #10 in this draft.

You think it will easy for them to attract FAs? 

Knicks cant be dumb and throw money just for the sake of doing it.

They fill in their roster vs grabbing Mudiay or wcs both that dont fit the tri offense. Just dont think they are big on winslow

So fill their roster with a few decent prospects like payne, christmas. Can get sullinger. Plus add fas and now you got a good team.

[celticmania]

Trade KO, Bradley, #16 for #6... Take Mudiay (star potential) or settle for Winslow.

[hwangjini_1]

Woj tweeted: At No. 4, expect that the Knicks draft pick will be very available in trade talks.


So what will it take to get that pick?

Bos 2015, LAC 2015, Bradley, KO, and 2016 BRK is that enough? Too much?

Not enough

Knicks will certainly entertain that offer. But likely for 2015 16, 33rd , 2015 clippers 1st and Sullinger

They have a very empty roster, they need to add bodies.

They were looking at Towns, Okafor or Russell. Mudiay is not someone that is their 1st choice. Not a very good shooter .  Worse case they take Winslow but that is not their immediate need.   WCS is not talented offensively.   Pozingis is a project

So if the trade is agreed upon Danny will then draft WCS with the 4th

Celtics lineup after trade
WCS
KO
Turner
AB
Smart

Zeller
Mickey or Mccullough (28th pick).
Crowder
Young
IT
Richaun Holmes (45th pick)


Knicks
16th pick - Payne
33rd pick - Christmas

FA pickups

Lineup
Christmas
Sullinger
Melo
Hardaway jr.
Payne

The Knicks have an empty lineup because they want all that cap space to acquire free agents.  At a minimum, I expect them to pick up Monroe in free agency.  I can't see Jackson trading the #4 pick for your proposed offer.  He's going to want good established players not a few lousy picks and Sully.  The Knicks aren't going anywhere with your proposed lineup.  If we do manage to get the #4 pick, I would be quite disappointed if we selected WCS.  I think he has very limited upside and should go around #10 in this draft.

You think it will easy for them to attract FAs? 

Knicks cant be dumb and throw money just for the sake of doing it.

They fill in their roster vs grabbing Mudiay or wcs both that dont fit the tri offense. Just dont think they are big on winslow

So fill their roster with a few decent prospects like payne, christmas. Can get sullinger. Plus add fas and now you got a good team.

what is the key for the knicks is they are banking their future on melo. they need to rebuild NOW, not wait 2-3 years for kids to mature. their window to contend is a short one and they want vets.

if the thought draft picks would help them, then wouldnt trade the #4.

nope, it will take established players to get the knicks to trade, i think.

[Tr1boy]

Woj tweeted: At No. 4, expect that the Knicks draft pick will be very available in trade talks.


So what will it take to get that pick?

Bos 2015, LAC 2015, Bradley, KO, and 2016 BRK is that enough? Too much?

Not enough

Knicks will certainly entertain that offer. But likely for 2015 16, 33rd , 2015 clippers 1st and Sullinger

They have a very empty roster, they need to add bodies.

They were looking at Towns, Okafor or Russell. Mudiay is not someone that is their 1st choice. Not a very good shooter .  Worse case they take Winslow but that is not their immediate need.   WCS is not talented offensively.   Pozingis is a project

So if the trade is agreed upon Danny will then draft WCS with the 4th

Celtics lineup after trade
WCS
KO
Turner
AB
Smart

Zeller
Mickey or Mccullough (28th pick).
Crowder
Young
IT
Richaun Holmes (45th pick)


Knicks
16th pick - Payne
33rd pick - Christmas

FA pickups

Lineup
Christmas
Sullinger
Melo
Hardaway jr.
Payne

The Knicks have an empty lineup because they want all that cap space to acquire free agents.  At a minimum, I expect them to pick up Monroe in free agency.  I can't see Jackson trading the #4 pick for your proposed offer.  He's going to want good established players not a few lousy picks and Sully.  The Knicks aren't going anywhere with your proposed lineup.  If we do manage to get the #4 pick, I would be quite disappointed if we selected WCS.  I think he has very limited upside and should go around #10 in this draft.

You think it will easy for them to attract FAs? 

Knicks cant be dumb and throw money just for the sake of doing it.

They fill in their roster vs grabbing Mudiay or wcs both that dont fit the tri offense. Just dont think they are big on winslow

So fill their roster with a few decent prospects like payne, christmas. Can get sullinger. Plus add fas and now you got a good team.

what is the key for the knicks is they are banking their future on melo. they need to rebuild NOW, not wait 2-3 years for kids to mature. their window to contend is a short one and they want vets.

if the thought draft picks would help them, then wouldnt trade the #4.

nope, it will take established players to get the knicks to trade, i think.

4th in this draft wont likely get you back "established" imo

Mudiay is not that much better than payne or  grant for example

[alewilliam789]

I was thinking the same thing when I read the tweet. Why not?

Give up Smart, Sullinger, Thomas, 16, 28, 33, and Brooklyn's 2016 1st rounder for Emmanuel Mudiay.


If you guys think Smart was good with Stevens Mudiay would exponentially be better. We would finally have a legitimate star player on our roster and I think is the play maker we've been looking for.

[tazzmaniac]

Woj tweeted: At No. 4, expect that the Knicks draft pick will be very available in trade talks.


So what will it take to get that pick?

Bos 2015, LAC 2015, Bradley, KO, and 2016 BRK is that enough? Too much?

Not enough

Knicks will certainly entertain that offer. But likely for 2015 16, 33rd , 2015 clippers 1st and Sullinger

They have a very empty roster, they need to add bodies.

They were looking at Towns, Okafor or Russell. Mudiay is not someone that is their 1st choice. Not a very good shooter .  Worse case they take Winslow but that is not their immediate need.   WCS is not talented offensively.   Pozingis is a project

So if the trade is agreed upon Danny will then draft WCS with the 4th

Celtics lineup after trade
WCS
KO
Turner
AB
Smart

Zeller
Mickey or Mccullough (28th pick).
Crowder
Young
IT
Richaun Holmes (45th pick)


Knicks
16th pick - Payne
33rd pick - Christmas

FA pickups

Lineup
Christmas
Sullinger
Melo
Hardaway jr.
Payne

The Knicks have an empty lineup because they want all that cap space to acquire free agents.  At a minimum, I expect them to pick up Monroe in free agency.  I can't see Jackson trading the #4 pick for your proposed offer.  He's going to want good established players not a few lousy picks and Sully.  The Knicks aren't going anywhere with your proposed lineup.  If we do manage to get the #4 pick, I would be quite disappointed if we selected WCS.  I think he has very limited upside and should go around #10 in this draft.

You think it will easy for them to attract FAs? 

Knicks cant be dumb and throw money just for the sake of doing it.

They fill in their roster vs grabbing Mudiay or wcs both that dont fit the tri offense. Just dont think they are big on winslow

So fill their roster with a few decent prospects like payne, christmas. Can get sullinger. Plus add fas and now you got a good team.

Yes I think they'll have a relatively easy time attracting free agents (e.g. Monroe, Dragic).  Jackson is looking to win now.  Carmelo is about to turn 31.  They need established players not decent prospects that may amount to something in a few years. 

[chambers]

I think the Knicks might consider 2 of our Brooklyn picks+ the #12 pick if we could move Bradley for it.

I would do it for Russell or Winslow.
Something like:

-IT
-Olynyk or Sullinger
-James Young
#12 pick
-2016 Brooklyn pick
-2018 Brooklyn pick

#4 and take Russell

They could then get Kaminsky (who Phil Jackson likes for the triangle).
if possible we could also send them Crowder who would work great next to Carmelo when Melo plays the small ball 4.

 

[cltc5]

They're taking wcs

[tazzmaniac]

Woj tweeted: At No. 4, expect that the Knicks draft pick will be very available in trade talks.


So what will it take to get that pick?

Bos 2015, LAC 2015, Bradley, KO, and 2016 BRK is that enough? Too much?

Not enough

Knicks will certainly entertain that offer. But likely for 2015 16, 33rd , 2015 clippers 1st and Sullinger

They have a very empty roster, they need to add bodies.

They were looking at Towns, Okafor or Russell. Mudiay is not someone that is their 1st choice. Not a very good shooter .  Worse case they take Winslow but that is not their immediate need.   WCS is not talented offensively.   Pozingis is a project

So if the trade is agreed upon Danny will then draft WCS with the 4th

Celtics lineup after trade
WCS
KO
Turner
AB
Smart

Zeller
Mickey or Mccullough (28th pick).
Crowder
Young
IT
Richaun Holmes (45th pick)


Knicks
16th pick - Payne
33rd pick - Christmas

FA pickups

Lineup
Christmas
Sullinger
Melo
Hardaway jr.
Payne

The Knicks have an empty lineup because they want all that cap space to acquire free agents.  At a minimum, I expect them to pick up Monroe in free agency.  I can't see Jackson trading the #4 pick for your proposed offer.  He's going to want good established players not a few lousy picks and Sully.  The Knicks aren't going anywhere with your proposed lineup.  If we do manage to get the #4 pick, I would be quite disappointed if we selected WCS.  I think he has very limited upside and should go around #10 in this draft.

You think it will easy for them to attract FAs? 

Knicks cant be dumb and throw money just for the sake of doing it.

They fill in their roster vs grabbing Mudiay or wcs both that dont fit the tri offense. Just dont think they are big on winslow

So fill their roster with a few decent prospects like payne, christmas. Can get sullinger. Plus add fas and now you got a good team.

what is the key for the knicks is they are banking their future on melo. they need to rebuild NOW, not wait 2-3 years for kids to mature. their window to contend is a short one and they want vets.

if the thought draft picks would help them, then wouldnt trade the #4.

nope, it will take established players to get the knicks to trade, i think.

4th in this draft wont likely get you back "established" imo

Mudiay is not that much better than payne or  grant for example

I disagree.  4th in this draft should be a much better prospect than 16th and can certainly get an established player (e.g. Lawson).  It really depends who is available and if they are of interest to the Knicks.   

[LarBrd33]

What would you include with Marcus Smart to get the #4 pick?.. cuz we aren't getting it without giving up Marcus Smart + something.

[BornReady]

Maybe for the 4th pick
We trade Bradley, Thomas, crowder, zeller + 16 pick

It gives them starting calibre PG and SG and some bench help
Would improve them slightly and these guys can fit into the triangle

[chambers]

What would you include with Marcus Smart to get the #4 pick?.. cuz we aren't getting it without giving up Marcus Smart + something.

I don't think he's critical. If it's for a win now situation they'd prefer Thomas and Zeller to sure up their bench for cheap.
Id say Smart has less value than say #12 + two Brooklyn picks

[Rida]

Woj tweeted: At No. 4, expect that the Knicks draft pick will be very available in trade talks.


So what will it take to get that pick?

Bos 2015, LAC 2015, Bradley, KO, and 2016 BRK is that enough? Too much?

I just posted on this http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=78217.msg1887151#new

Sullinger, Bradley and our 16th pick

[LarBrd33]

Woj tweeted: At No. 4, expect that the Knicks draft pick will be very available in trade talks.


So what will it take to get that pick?

Bos 2015, LAC 2015, Bradley, KO, and 2016 BRK is that enough? Too much?

I just posted on this http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=78217.msg1887151#new

Sullinger, Bradley and our 16th pick

When Woj says the Knicks pick is available... let's just assume he means for an all-star like Cousins... not for a basket of Boston toiletries. 

#4 Should net a special prospect.  Doesn't make a lot of sense to give it up for some mediocrity.  Especially if it will eat into their cap space (as adding Bradley would do). 

More likely Knicks will consider trading it for someone like Lowry or Lawson.

[Celts Fan 508]

Woj tweeted: At No. 4, expect that the Knicks draft pick will be very available in trade talks.


So what will it take to get that pick?

Bos 2015, LAC 2015, Bradley, KO, and 2016 BRK is that enough? Too much?

I just posted on this http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=78217.msg1887151#new

Sullinger, Bradley and our 16th pick

That is an offer the Knicks would not even consider accepting.