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« on: May 13, 2015, 07:10:29 PM »

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http://www.draftexpress.com/article/2015-NBA-Draft-Combine-Measurements-Analysis-4964

-Robert Upshaw: The ex-Washington center helped himself in a big way measuring 6'10.75 without shoes with a 7'5.5 wingspan, 9'5 standing reach, and a 258.2 pound frame. Finishing as the 3rd tallest and heaviest prospect in attendance, Upshaw also posted the longest wingspan, highest standing reach, and biggest hands in terms of both length and width of any player measured here. His measurements compare favorably to Nene who measured 6'9.25 without shoes with a 7'4.5 wingspan and 253-pound frame coming out of Brazil in 2002. Upshaw's standing reach is right on par with players like Shaquille O'Neal, Brook Lopez, and DeMarcus Cousins as one of the top-25 in our database all-time. Needless to say, the Fresno State transfer who was dismissed from the program after only 19 games has outstanding size for the center position. Interestingly, Upshaw is actually lighter than he was when he was measured at the Amare Stoudemire Camp in 2011 when he stood 7' in shoes with a 7'4 wingspan and 264-pound frame. Very few teams question Upshaw's talent on the court. It's his history of off-court issues that is scaring many away at the moment. With that said, it is incredibly difficult it is to find player's in Upshaw's mold these days, so it won't be a surprise if someone decides to roll the dice and see if they can get him on the right track.[/url]

[p=Willie Cauley-Stein]-Willie Cauley-Stein: The Kentucky center measured 6'11.25 without shoes with a 7'3 wingspan and a 242 pound frame. His 6.3% body fat is very low for a big man and his standing reach ranks 5th among the players measured here. Cauley-Stein isn't as historically large as Upshaw, but his measurements aren't far off those of Chris Bosh who measured 6'10.25 with a 7'3.5 wingspan and a 225-pound frame coming out of Georgia Tech. Cauley-Stein measured a little longer than he had in the past, and that, combined with his terrific agility, instincts and anticipation skills make it very easy to see him developing into a defensive stopper in the NBA.

Frank Kaminsky: The Wisconsin star measured 6'11.75 without shoes to go along with a middling 6'11 wingspan and a 231-pound frame. Those numbers are similar to those of Cody Zeller (6'10.75, 6'10.75 wingspan, 230 pounds) and better than Kelly Olynyk, who measured 6'10.75 without shoes and a 6'9.75 wingspan. Kaminsky lacks outstanding length and was the only player in attendance to post a wingspan to height ratio below 1.0, but his height ranks prominently among similarly skilled big men in recent memory.

-Kelly Oubre and Rondae Hollis-Jefferson: The pair of highly touted wings measured very similarly here. Oubre is 6'5.75 without shoes with a 7'2.25 wingspan and a 202.8 pound frame while Hollis-Jefferson measured 6'5.5 without shoes with a 7'2 wingspan and a 210.8 pound frame. On top of being the heavier of the two, Hollis-Jefferson had the highest standing reach edging Oubre 8'8 to 8'6.5 in that test. Both players compare favorably to former Maverick and Wake Forest standout Josh Howard who measured 6'5.25 without shoes with a 7'2 wingspan and 202-pound frame coming out of school in 2003. They're both a bit smaller than Kawhi Leonard who measured 6'6 without shoes with a 7'3 wingspan and a 227-pound frame, but Leonard's wingspan mark puts the length both players possess in proper perspective.

-Myles Turner: Texas freshman Myles Turner is in largely the same boat as Cauley-Stein in that he measured extraordinarily well, but not quite as well as Upshaw. Standing 6'11.25 with a 7'4 wingspan and a 238.6-pound frame, he has terrific size for a NBA big man. His 9'4 standing reach ranks second among all players in attendance. Considering his tremendous physical attributes, combined with his ability to shoot the ball with range and block shots, teams in the mid to late lottery will have to think long and hard before passing on Turner.


-George Lucas: The young Brazilian guard largely matched his Nike Hoop Summit measurements. Standing 6'4.5 without shoes with a 7' wingspan, Lucas has outstanding size for a player who spends time at the point guard position. De Paula is pretty much the same size as Marshon Brooks was coming out of Providence, except he plays exclusively at the point and not on the wing like Brooks. Brooks measured 6'4.25 without shoes with a 7'1 wingspan and a 195-pound frame. De Paula has an impressive frame in his own right tipping the scales at 197 pounds with a very low 6.7% body fat ratio, finished 7th in hand width and 2nd in hand length among all players here (largely surrounded by power forwards and centers on the list), and is still only 18. Needless to say, he's one of the most unique physical specimens at the point guard position in this draft, or any draft for that matter. It's safe to say that NBA teams will be watching him very very closely the next few days

I meant to paste in the ones relevant to us but then I ended up just copy pasting the whole article outside of Winslow and Tyus Jones

Re: Combine Measurements DraftExpress
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2015, 07:19:13 PM »

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OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

Myles Turner is the man. His standing reach increased to 9'4''... that will def help him play center. And as a pf he would be longer than the rest.

Also we should def trade Avery or/and whoever to move up to grab Turner.


Upshaw is also someone we should draft based on talent. but If Ainge and CBS think he has no redeeming qualities then w/e

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« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2015, 07:26:17 PM »

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I had a good feeling Upshaw's measurements would increase bc they were last taken in 2011. I am so excited right now. If we get Myles Turner (by trading Bradley/other asset or player) and keep #16 and take Upshaw; our front line would be huge.

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http://www.draftexpress.com/article/2015-NBA-Draft-Combine-Measurements-Analysis-4964

-Robert Upshaw: The ex-Washington center helped himself in a big way measuring 6'10.75 without shoes with a 7'5.5 wingspan, 9'5 standing reach, and a 258.2 pound frame. Finishing as the 3rd tallest and heaviest prospect in attendance, Upshaw also posted the longest wingspan, highest standing reach, and biggest hands in terms of both length and width of any player measured here. His measurements compare favorably to Nene who measured 6'9.25 without shoes with a 7'4.5 wingspan and 253-pound frame coming out of Brazil in 2002. Upshaw's standing reach is right on par with players like Shaquille O'Neal, Brook Lopez, and DeMarcus Cousins as one of the top-25 in our database all-time. Needless to say, the Fresno State transfer who was dismissed from the program after only 19 games has outstanding size for the center position. Interestingly, Upshaw is actually lighter than he was when he was measured at the Amare Stoudemire Camp in 2011 when he stood 7' in shoes with a 7'4 wingspan and 264-pound frame. Very few teams question Upshaw's talent on the court. It's his history of off-court issues that is scaring many away at the moment. With that said, it is incredibly difficult it is to find player's in Upshaw's mold these days, so it won't be a surprise if someone decides to roll the dice and see if they can get him on the right track.[/url]

[p=Willie Cauley-Stein]-Willie Cauley-Stein: The Kentucky center measured 6'11.25 without shoes with a 7'3 wingspan and a 242 pound frame. His 6.3% body fat is very low for a big man and his standing reach ranks 5th among the players measured here. Cauley-Stein isn't as historically large as Upshaw, but his measurements aren't far off those of Chris Bosh who measured 6'10.25 with a 7'3.5 wingspan and a 225-pound frame coming out of Georgia Tech. Cauley-Stein measured a little longer than he had in the past, and that, combined with his terrific agility, instincts and anticipation skills make it very easy to see him developing into a defensive stopper in the NBA.

Frank Kaminsky: The Wisconsin star measured 6'11.75 without shoes to go along with a middling 6'11 wingspan and a 231-pound frame. Those numbers are similar to those of Cody Zeller (6'10.75, 6'10.75 wingspan, 230 pounds) and better than Kelly Olynyk, who measured 6'10.75 without shoes and a 6'9.75 wingspan. Kaminsky lacks outstanding length and was the only player in attendance to post a wingspan to height ratio below 1.0, but his height ranks prominently among similarly skilled big men in recent memory.

-Kelly Oubre and Rondae Hollis-Jefferson: The pair of highly touted wings measured very similarly here. Oubre is 6'5.75 without shoes with a 7'2.25 wingspan and a 202.8 pound frame while Hollis-Jefferson measured 6'5.5 without shoes with a 7'2 wingspan and a 210.8 pound frame. On top of being the heavier of the two, Hollis-Jefferson had the highest standing reach edging Oubre 8'8 to 8'6.5 in that test. Both players compare favorably to former Maverick and Wake Forest standout Josh Howard who measured 6'5.25 without shoes with a 7'2 wingspan and 202-pound frame coming out of school in 2003. They're both a bit smaller than Kawhi Leonard who measured 6'6 without shoes with a 7'3 wingspan and a 227-pound frame, but Leonard's wingspan mark puts the length both players possess in proper perspective.

-Myles Turner: Texas freshman Myles Turner is in largely the same boat as Cauley-Stein in that he measured extraordinarily well, but not quite as well as Upshaw. Standing 6'11.25 with a 7'4 wingspan and a 238.6-pound frame, he has terrific size for a NBA big man. His 9'4 standing reach ranks second among all players in attendance. Considering his tremendous physical attributes, combined with his ability to shoot the ball with range and block shots, teams in the mid to late lottery will have to think long and hard before passing on Turner.


-George Lucas: The young Brazilian guard largely matched his Nike Hoop Summit measurements. Standing 6'4.5 without shoes with a 7' wingspan, Lucas has outstanding size for a player who spends time at the point guard position. De Paula is pretty much the same size as Marshon Brooks was coming out of Providence, except he plays exclusively at the point and not on the wing like Brooks. Brooks measured 6'4.25 without shoes with a 7'1 wingspan and a 195-pound frame. De Paula has an impressive frame in his own right tipping the scales at 197 pounds with a very low 6.7% body fat ratio, finished 7th in hand width and 2nd in hand length among all players here (largely surrounded by power forwards and centers on the list), and is still only 18. Needless to say, he's one of the most unique physical specimens at the point guard position in this draft, or any draft for that matter. It's safe to say that NBA teams will be watching him very very closely the next few days

I meant to paste in the ones relevant to us but then I ended up just copy pasting the whole article outside of Winslow and Tyus Jones




TP for some nice detective work.

WCS will be gone by the time we pick.

If we can get Turner that would be very nice, (and hope his running limitations turn out to be a false alarm.)

Do you roll the dice on Robert Upshaw?
If when the draft rolls around, and we don't realistically see any interest in the Celtics from the best of the free agent centers available this year, and Turner and Portis are gone...

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« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2015, 10:16:09 PM »

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I had a good feeling Upshaw's measurements would increase bc they were last taken in 2011. I am so excited right now. If we get Myles Turner (by trading Bradley/other asset or player) and keep #16 and take Upshaw; our front line would be huge.

Yeah I've been thinking lately that we may attempt a duo of bigs and let them duel it out for that starting front line spot with Zeller, similarly to what Sully and Olynyk have done.

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-Stanley Johnson: The Arizona freshman measured 6'5 without shoes with a 6'11.5 wingspan and a 241.8 pound frame. Measured 6'6.75 without shoes by USA Basketball last summer, this is an underwhelming measurement for the strong, talented wing. His strength sets him apart from the average wing prospect, and he compares favorably to Jae Crowder who measured 6'4.75 with a 241-pound frame and a 6'9.25 wingspan in 2012.

-Devin Booker: Measuring 6'4.5 without shoes with a 6'8.25 wingspan and a 205.8-pound frame, Booker came in .75 inches below what he measured without shoes at the UK Pro Day, which is a bit disappointing. Perhaps more importantly for him, though, he measured a wingspan over two inches longer, which is a positive development. He's almost exactly the same size and Spencer Dinwiddie who measured 6'4.5 without shoes with a 6'8.25 wingspan and a 206 pound frame last spring.

-Michael Qualls: The Arkansas swingman stand 6'4 with a 7'0.25 wingspan and 4% bodyfat. He's tremendously long and the leanest player in attendance here. Combine that with his impressive athleticism and you're looking at quite a physical specimen.

-Montrezl Harrell: Harrell measured only 6'7 without shoes, but compensated with a huge 7'4.25 wingspan. Harrell's wingspan to height differential is a ridiculous 9.25 inches. His 253 pound frame for his length and explosiveness puts him in a somewhat unique group body-type wise. He's essentially a bigger version of Ike Diogu who measured 6'6.5 without shoes with a 7'3.5 wingspan and a 255 pound frame.

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Im overall excited.

Stanley measured at 6'5" which is good for us because it means he could drop(I thought he wsa 6'8"). I still love his game.

Bookers wingspan went up. Hopefully it doesnt push him out of our range but it adds a lot of hope for his potential as a defender etc.

Qualls is kinda out of nowhere but 4% body fat is obscene.

Harrell is just 6'7" but the 9'1" standing reach is better than Kelly's so we will see.


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« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2015, 11:10:56 PM »

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We will need to move up to grab Turner.  Upshaw's stock is rising a bit, we should have a shot at him with the Clippers pick.  NBAdraft.net has us taking Kaminsky at #16.  I don't see that happening since we already have KO.

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I have said it all along that Robert Upshaw is a gamble worth risking for #16. He's got the physical tools and his game was really working well for him until he got dismissed.
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Turner and upshaw will be great

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Everyone that posted about how great a Turner AND Upshaw Frontcourt would gets a TP

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I'm for gambling on Robert Upshaw .....if he is available :P




Our team needs a lot .......but clearly a big Center to battle with the Lopez/Gasol sized guys is clearly needed.  Zeller is just too light built to control giant sized centers ...most of the teams have ...

Except the Celtics  :-X.     Smh





But remember .......I was a Fab Melo proponent ...... ;D.........sorry ......LOL



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« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2015, 04:24:48 PM »

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If Danny can't move up to get WCS .....I been studying the situation hard .


I'm for gambling on Robert Upshaw .....if he is available :P




Our team needs a lot .......but clearly a big Center to battle with the Lopez/Gasol sized guys is clearly needed.  Zeller is just too light built to control giant sized centers ...most of the teams have ...

Except the Celtics  :-X.     Smh





But remember .......I was a Fab Melo proponent ...... ;D.........sorry ......LOL