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How do the C's address the starting PG issue?
« on: May 07, 2015, 02:02:17 PM »

Offline dwoumn

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Obviously, neither Smart or Bradley are not the C's PG of the future. How do they go about addressing this issue.

Draft
After Russell and Mudiay there are some viable options...

Tyus Jones (16)
Cameron Payne (16)
Jerian Grant (28)
Delon Wright (28)

I like Payne out of everyone in this group to come in right away and be able to play in CBS system.

Free Agents
Goran Dragic (Max Deal)
Brandon Knight (Near Max Deal)
Reggie Jackson (Near Max Deal)

Each of these players would be a max deal or close to it. Should we try to sign one of them?

Trade
Ty Lawson

Lawson is capable to run the show in Boston, but what would it take to pry him from Denver. I would not give up Isaiah Thomas for him because Thomas can be an important bench player when the C's eventually are back competing for a championship.

How would you address the PG issue if you were in DA's shoes?
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Re: How do the C's address the starting PG issue?
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2015, 02:05:09 PM »

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Your premise isn't so "obvious."

I think they'll go with the in-house option of developing Smart while using Thomas as a sixth man for at least another year before writing off Smart as a viable starting point guard.
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Re: How do the C's address the starting PG issue?
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2015, 02:05:42 PM »

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Give Smart more time to develop into an starting level NBA player.



Strengthen the starting lineup around him. 
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Re: How do the C's address the starting PG issue?
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2015, 02:05:48 PM »

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If I wanted to watch Tyus Jones, I would just watch the Munsters.
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« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2015, 02:09:16 PM »

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Quote from: PhoSita on May 07, 2015, 02:05:09 PM
Your premise isn't so "obvious."

I think they'll go with the in-house option of developing Smart while using Thomas as a sixth man for at least another year before writing off Smart as a viable starting point guard.

TP. There's not enough evidence out there to support the "obvious" claim that Smart cannot be a full-time starting PG in this league.
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Re: How do the C's address the starting PG issue?
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2015, 02:10:01 PM »

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If I were Danny Ainge, I would keep the Smart/Bradley/Thomas guard rotation as currently used and focus on improving the frontcourt.
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Re: How do the C's address the starting PG issue?
« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2015, 02:11:45 PM »

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"Obviously, neither Smart or Bradley are not the C's PG of the future. How do they go about addressing this issue."

Why would this be "Obvious"?  We drafted Smart in the high first round.  He had a decent rookie year coming in 5th for rookie of the year.  You got to give him a little bit of time before pulling the trigger.  Bradley isn't even our starting point guard, he's our shooting guard.  We have bigger needs then a position where we have a good starting rookie in Smart going into his second year.  While having Thomas backing him up.  How about a legit center and a starting small forward.

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« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2015, 02:13:58 PM »

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I think Smart will develop into a nice bulldog NBA player but not a PG. Unless over the offseason, he dramatically improves his ball handing skills, passing ability and his ability to create shots for others while still creating his own shot ... he is not the answer. I see Smart in the role of a Tony Allen, his ability to play off the basketball.

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« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2015, 02:50:12 PM »

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Nothing obvious about it.
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« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2015, 02:55:18 PM »

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Quote from: Ilikesports17 on May 07, 2015, 02:50:12 PM
Nothing obvious about it.

With DA reaching out to Denver prior to the trade deadline and the rumors out now that DA again is looking to trade for Lawson says a lot how he feels about the PG position.
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« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2015, 02:59:32 PM »

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Quote from: dwoumn on May 07, 2015, 02:55:18 PM
Quote from: Ilikesports17 on May 07, 2015, 02:50:12 PM
Nothing obvious about it.

With DA reaching out to Denver prior to the trade deadline and the rumors out now that DA again is looking to trade for Lawson says a lot how he feels about the PG position.
I think it says more about his interest in acquiring an undervalued asset.
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Re: How do the C's address the starting PG issue?
« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2015, 03:04:21 PM »

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I think it's isaiah and smart for the next 5 years.  Smart will continue to play the 1, 2, 3 for the time being but might start at pg ultimately.  But both guys depending on what we do with Turner.  It makes both Turner and/or Bradley trade options.
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« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2015, 03:26:12 PM »

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Yeah the backcourt is least of my worries right now. I'll take any upgrade to the roster we can get if it is a reasonable price, but this is definitely far from a priority. We have Thomas/Bradley/Smart locked up for 3-4 years at ~18 million total. Thomas + Smart + ball movement based offense is enough "PG play." We don't need a pure point guard, and Smart will likely develop into a fine PG so there is nothing obvious about this as others have said.

As a side, if I hear another Smart and Tony Allen comparison I'm going to scream. Their similarities start and end on the defensive side of the floor. Their offensive games couldn't be any more different. One is an erractic, out of control offensive player with no jumpshot (like completely broken) and no playmaking ability at all and a high dribble. The other plays much lower to the ground, has a tighter handle, has shown an ability to run actual offensive sets, and is a much better 3PT shooter as a rookie. He's generally in much more control on the offensive end. He struggles in the pick and roll, but he can develop that. Again, they couldn't be anymore different offensively.
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« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2015, 04:33:11 PM »

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Marcus Smart year two.

Quote from: dwoumn on May 07, 2015, 02:55:18 PM
Quote from: Ilikesports17 on May 07, 2015, 02:50:12 PM
Nothing obvious about it.

With DA reaching out to Denver prior to the trade deadline and the rumors out now that DA again is looking to trade for Lawson says a lot how he feels about the PG position.

Not sure where you saw the talks with Denver were recent.  They were before we made the Thomas deal and then we made the Thomas deal instead.

There have been articles written that float the Celtics name for that reason.  No real trade info.
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« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2015, 04:42:04 PM »

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Quote from: DarkAzcura on May 07, 2015, 03:26:12 PM
Yeah the backcourt is least of my worries right now. I'll take any upgrade to the roster we can get if it is a reasonable price, but this is definitely far from a priority. We have Thomas/Bradley/Smart locked up for 3-4 years at ~18 million total. Thomas + Smart + ball movement based offense is enough "PG play." We don't need a pure point guard, and Smart will likely develop into a fine PG so there is nothing obvious about this as others have said.

As a side, if I hear another Smart and Tony Allen comparison I'm going to scream. Their similarities start and end on the defensive side of the floor. Their offensive games couldn't be any more different. One is an erractic, out of control offensive player with no jumpshot (like completely broken) and no playmaking ability at all and a high dribble. The other plays much lower to the ground, has a tighter handle, has shown an ability to run actual offensive sets, and is a much better 3PT shooter as a rookie. He's generally in much more control on the offensive end. He struggles in the pick and roll, but he can develop that. Again, they couldn't be anymore different offensively.

This league is now a PG driven league. Just look at the playoffs... Mike Conley, Steph Curry, Chris Paul, James Harden (you may say he's not a PG but he's the guy that is able to create his own and get others involved), Chris Paul, Jeff Teague, John Wall, LeBron (Point Forward/See Harden) and Kyrie, and Derrick Rose.

These teams go as those guys take them. Granted there are other players on those team that aided them to get there but the PG have a major part in that.

As comparing Smart to Allen. They are the same height, about the same weight and built. They are similar in their defensive tendencies and they have similar offensive tendencies. Smart has the greenlight under Stevens to take shots that Allen understands isn't his game, which would be the 3 ball. Yes Smart has been ok taking the 3 ball but he is still shot 33.5%. Allen shot 34.5% from 3 on less attempts. They are more similar than you think...
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