Sullinger attitude

[Chris22]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4qYx4emja8

[Evantime34]

Sullinger is our best player, but Celtic fans love to complain.

I think he was our best player before the all star break. Then he went down and the C's started playing better.

This is not correct.

The Celtics played about .500 ball after the Rondo and Green trades and before Sully went down with his injury - and that was pre-IT. Mind you the data set is limited, but in those games Sully averaged 16 points and over 8 boards per game.

Wait so what wasn't correct? The C's were 12-21 when they traded Green (and Rondo previously). Then 8-10 with Sully before the break at which point he was our best player.  Then they were 14-10 with Sully out and have been 1-1 since he came back.

So the C's played better with Sully as our best player then with Rondo and Green. Then the C's played better than that after he went down. What was incorrect about what I said.

What's incorrect is the insinuation that the Celtics STARTED playing better after Sully went down, which is really a play on words. The team had already STARTED playing better while Sully was around, that they kept getting better is simply a matter of an already on-going improvement.

After Green was traded, we went 8-8. Seven of those loses against playoffs teams, 5 against teams considered powerhouses in the league: Chicago, Golden State, Hawks, Houston, Clippers.

We had a stretch where we lost 3 in a row against Chicago, Atlanta, Clippers, and then went 7-5 the rest of he way until Sully went down.

And right after Sully went down, we had an influx of talent, so the roster itself is quite different than the one that Sully left.

So the idea or the insinuation that the team improved because Sulligner went down is simply a very shortsighted way of looking at things.

I didn't say the team improved because Sullinger went down. The C's started to play better after Sullinger meant down just means that they played better than the previously had beginning when Sully went down. Start denotes the beginning of a new frame of time, you are viewing that frame of time as the entire season where I was referring to the beginning of the period after the all star break.

It seems that my use of the word Started confused people, so just remove that word from what I said.

If you didn't mean to insinuate that the team played better because Sullinger went down, then why say anything at all on that regard? The seeming intention was to illustrate that a team without Sullinger "started", as you say, playing better. If that wasn't your intention, then I honestly don't know what the point of it all was.

Someone else said that he was the best player on our team and I commented that he was the best player on the team before he went down, not now.

That the C's played better post all star break is evidence that there are currently players better than him on the team now.

Oh OK, I can agree to some of that, particularly since Thomas was added and a few others. But since we had already been playing better as it was, then can't discount the variable of an already on-going progression.

Again you are framing the started as referring to the period during the season in which the team began to play better. MY time frame was since he went down. So they began to play better when he went down makes sense if you understand the time frame I am talking about is the period since Sully went down.

[spikelovetheCelts]

I honestly expect him to be gone on Draft night....Packaged with picks--?

It's just too weird that they brought him back at this time--unless they were trying to showcase his health---and trade him.

To move up for WCS! 

My Hope as well. We have enough Assets to get WCS. I also hope we make teams max offers to keep players too. Sully Could be our next Al Jefferson for D Jordan.

[GreenFaith1819]

I'd say let him earn back the trust during these next few games. We can certainly use his talent.

He was probably our best player before he got hurt.

If he can be productive and we can grab a playoff spot then this thread will be forgotten.

[saltlover]

I honestly expect him to be gone on Draft night....Packaged with picks--?

It's just too weird that they brought him back at this time--unless they were trying to showcase his health---and trade him.

Yeah, I mean, it's not like he wasn't playing some of his best basketball of the year when he got hurt, or the team is undersized, or is hoping to make the playoffs.  That couldn't explain it all.  Must be showcasing for a trade.

[Msimonetta2]

Danny Ainge does not care one iota if this team makes the playoffs regardless of what he says.

[SHAQATTACK]

Danny Ainge does not care one iota if this team makes the playoffs regardless of what he says.

I agree , I think if you could really really pry the inter most truth out of Danny ,  he'd just as soon the Celtics lose the final games , so he can make better moves quicker to up grade the team. 

Everything he say semis to support the play off thrust.  But his mind is on rebuilding.

Danny is not going to say one thing that might get in the ear of his coach or players about being ok to finish up losing . 

Coach is a total non tanking dude,   If you told him , you'll get the # 1 pick if you lose tonight,   He would not reduce the effort to win one bit from where he stands.   He d go triple OT .

[Granath]

Sullinger is our best player, but Celtic fans love to complain.

I think he was our best player before the all star break. Then he went down and the C's started playing better.

This is not correct.

The Celtics played about .500 ball after the Rondo and Green trades and before Sully went down with his injury - and that was pre-IT. Mind you the data set is limited, but in those games Sully averaged 16 points and over 8 boards per game.

Wait so what wasn't correct? The C's were 12-21 when they traded Green (and Rondo previously). Then 8-10 with Sully before the break at which point he was our best player.  Then they were 14-10 with Sully out and have been 1-1 since he came back.

So the C's played better with Sully as our best player then with Rondo and Green. Then the C's played better than that after he went down. What was incorrect about what I said.

What's incorrect is the insinuation that the Celtics STARTED playing better after Sully went down, which is really a play on words. The team had already STARTED playing better while Sully was around, that they kept getting better is simply a matter of an already on-going improvement.

After Green was traded, we went 8-8. Seven of those loses against playoffs teams, 5 against teams considered powerhouses in the league: Chicago, Golden State, Hawks, Houston, Clippers.

We had a stretch where we lost 3 in a row against Chicago, Atlanta, Clippers, and then went 7-5 the rest of he way until Sully went down.

And right after Sully went down, we had an influx of talent, so the roster itself is quite different than the one that Sully left.

So the idea or the insinuation that the team improved because Sulligner went down is simply a very shortsighted way of looking at things.

I didn't say the team improved because Sullinger went down. The C's started to play better after Sullinger meant down just means that they played better than the previously had beginning when Sully went down. Start denotes the beginning of a new frame of time, you are viewing that frame of time as the entire season where I was referring to the beginning of the period after the all star break.

It seems that my use of the word Started confused people, so just remove that word from what I said.

It didn't confuse anyone. It just sounds like you didn't say what you meant to say. Which is cool - happens to everyone.

Of course, I'm not sure exactly what you meant to say in the context of this discussion. Are you saying that the team continued to improve their play even though Sully went down? If so, that's in large part because of the play of guys like IT and Crowder, who either weren't here or weren't heavily involved when Sullinger was playing.

[Granath]

I honestly expect him to be gone on Draft night....Packaged with picks--?

It's just too weird that they brought him back at this time--unless they were trying to showcase his health---and trade him.

Yeah, I mean, it's not like he wasn't playing some of his best basketball of the year when he got hurt, or the team is undersized, or is hoping to make the playoffs.  That couldn't explain it all.  Must be showcasing for a trade.

TP for excellent use of sarcasm.

[More Banners]

As far as the team improving w/o sully, keep in mind his minutes were gobbled up by Bass mostly, and he is pretty spot on defensively, and doesn't make many outright mistakes. That's a plus.

We expect Sully to surpass journeyman status, but veterans win.

[Celtics4ever]

Here is some more vids for you Chris22

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWcVKIOJBmM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-GHhA6ET2o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ea9TBb-asIg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS7vHsK4wHE

Thoughts to ponder, CBS wants to win, CBS said Sullinger is a reserve

If so, that's in large part because of the play of guys like IT and Crowder, who either weren't here or weren't heavily involved when Sullinger was playing.

Do not forget now guys stay in front of their man more and  they run the floor, something that was not happening with Sully earlier in the year.  I think we won games before despite Sully, there were a few games that he did well like the NO ones, I can think a few he shot us out of, too.   But the team was more fun to watch without him.

I honestly have not heard one guy on the team say their glad he is back either.  Gorman dissed him as well.   Tommy even does not like him.   Ainge served him notice, about his performance and CBS stated that we would not sacrifice our defensive DNA with him coming back.   None of these are ringing endorsements and a lot of them indicate that people are tired of his lack of effort on the defensive end.

Danny Ainge does not care one iota if this team makes the playoffs regardless of what he says.

  If he did he would not have allowed him back.

[GC003332]

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4718715/jared-sullinger-tries-to-shake-the-cobwebs

KellyO had some nice things to say about Sullinger's return to be fair.
Nice people Canadians   

Gavin

[Celtics4ever]

1-10 from the field, coming back, yeah he is helping other teams tremendously.  Doug Collins on ESPN questioned why he was in there when the lead dwindled.

I was hoping this would raise his value, but I think it is worsening.

[Chris22]

1-10 from the field, coming back, yeah he is helping other teams tremendously.  Doug Collins on ESPN questioned why he was in there when the lead dwindled.

I was hoping this would raise his value, but I think it is worsening.

It takes time to get your timing back.

Brad is smart.

[Celtics4ever]

Does that help or hurt the team?

He was not a great shooter with timing though was he from downtown.