TD Garden: Should it be replaced or upgraded? (merged)

[Quetzalcoatl]

I'm surprised to hear a fan talk about this.  The only people whoever care are the owners and the politicians they hold hostage with threats of moving.  I'm glad Wyc is classy enough to never pull what the Chargers are doing, for instance

[mqtcelticsfan]

We are the Celtics and deserve better than what we have. Our own stadium has been long over due

Look, we all love the Celtics. Great team to cheer for, great tradition, just an awesome team.

With that said, we are not special. We do not deserve anything more than any other team in the NBA. We already have all those banners, why are we also entitled to a fancy stadium?

You do realize that the Lakers share an arena with the freaking Clippers, right?

[timobusa]

We are the Celtics and deserve better than what we have. Our own stadium has been long over due

Look, we all love the Celtics. Great team to cheer for, great tradition, just an awesome team.

With that said, we are not special. We do not deserve anything more than any other team in the NBA. We already have all those banners, why are we also entitled to a fancy stadium?

You do realize that the Lakers share an arena with the freaking Clippers, right?

TP! 100% Agreed.

We've had the most success when it comes to Championships, but we don't need special treatment.

We've done it before, we're gonna do it again.

[D.o.s.]

The Warriors stadiums is a great example of sports entertainment innovation. The Celtics should top what their developing.

The new Warriors stadium is a disgrace to the tremendous Oakland fans who suffered through 30 years of total misery.

[Greyman]

Having never been to the arena the Cs share, it is difficult to comment. I will anyway. Sometimes a smaller, closer to the action, set up is great for the intimidation factor fan noise can bring to other teams.

Fans that have turned up and followed a team over many seasons will not all have the success of a team like the Celtics, but team success doesn't mean loyal fans shouldn't get a state of the art arena. Many of the most famous grounds in world sport have been replaced or torn down and rebuilt over the last twenty odd years. Tradition shouldn't equal discomfort. Fans should have; room to move, food and drink facilities nearby, bathrooms nearby, comfortable seats and a good view of the action (even if their seats are some way from it).

Economics will be the main factor in any new building. Will Boston provide a revenue stream for a new arena year round? A bid for the Olympics is also a good way to get a few new stadium and the economy moving.

[Celtics#18]

Having never been to the arena the Cs share, it is difficult to comment. I will anyway. Sometimes a smaller, closer to the action, set up is great for the intimidation factor fan noise can bring to other teams.

Fans that have turned up and followed a team over many seasons will not all have the success of a team like the Celtics, but team success doesn't mean loyal fans shouldn't get a state of the art arena. Many of the most famous grounds in world sport have been replaced or torn down and rebuilt over the last twenty odd years. Tradition shouldn't equal discomfort. Fans should have; room to move, food and drink facilities nearby, bathrooms nearby, comfortable seats and a good view of the action (even if their seats are some way from it).

Economics will be the main factor in any new building. Will Boston provide a revenue stream for a new arena year round? A bid for the Olympics is also a good way to get a few new stadium and the economy moving.

Totally agree

[Celtics#18]

We are the Celtics and deserve better than what we have. Our own stadium has been long over due

Look, we all love the Celtics. Great team to cheer for, great tradition, just an awesome team.

With that said, we are not special. We do not deserve anything more than any other team in the NBA. We already have all those banners, why are we also entitled to a fancy stadium?

You do realize that the Lakers share an arena with the freaking Clippers, right?

TP! 100% Agreed.

We've had the most success when it comes to Championships, but we don't need special treatment.

We've done it before, we're gonna do it again.

I've visted many of the arenas across the country and feel that as a Celtics fan we deserve better in comparison to what others have.

[Celtics#18]

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What you fail to realize is we have no ownership in The TD Garden.
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[Roy H.]

It could be better, I suppose, but I think the TD Garden is good enough.  So long as you can see the game and the air conditioning works, I'm happy.

I don't mind the Celtics sharing their stadium.  If at some point the lack of their own arena chokes off revenue, then it might become an issue.  For now, though, I think the team is in an okay position; I think the lease they have is on pretty favorable terms.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Who doesn't want a new, high end stadium? But it's easier said than done. I have never been to Boston so I may not know what I'm talking about, but I'm pretty sure you'd have to consider real estate. Does Boston have enough space to build a new stadium? Does cities close to Boston would do?

Also, financially there are questions. For one, would the ownership be willing to spend half, if not all of their own money to construct a new stadium? For all the things you posted about the Warriors, that stadium is PRIVATELY financed. Does Wyc and the ownership group willing to do that? I won't blame them if they don't, stadiums are a billion dollar project.

I'm all for a new stadium, heck, if someone starts a Kickstarter for it, I'd donate $50. But it's not that easy. So many factors have to be in place first. So unless you figure out a plan on what how we can get one, and I mean a plan, with location, how to finance it etc. Come up with a proposal, a legit one, and submit it to the ownership group, and maybe they'd consider. If you not, then I suggest we call this case closed.

The Warriors stadiums is a great example of sports entertainment innovation. The Celtics should top what their developing.

The new Warriors stadium is a disgrace to the tremendous Oakland fans who suffered through 30 years of total misery.

Eh? It's just across the bridge. It's not like the Niners moving to Santa Clara situation (for those who don't know, SF and Santa Clara is about an hour and 15 minutes drive, if there's no traffic. Oracle to the proposed stadium location is a 30 minute train ride). People from Oakland can just take BART, no biggie.

[SHAQATTACK]

I ve been .  It's a pretty nice place ,far as I'm concerned .   

Bigger is not always better .   

I'll come back too.  We were playing terrible at the time  and still there was a good crowd .

I was impressed.

[D.o.s.]

The Warriors stadiums is a great example of sports entertainment innovation. The Celtics should top what their developing.

The new Warriors stadium is a disgrace to the tremendous Oakland fans who suffered through 30 years of total misery.

Eh? It's just across the bridge. It's not like the Niners moving to Santa Clara situation (for those who don't know, SF and Santa Clara is about an hour and 15 minutes drive, if there's no traffic. Oracle to the proposed stadium location is a 30 minute train ride). People from Oakland can just take BART, no biggie.

Because I'm sure the move won't result in a massive uptick in ticket prices. Priced out of San Francisco? Never happens. 

[GetLucky]

The Celtics don't need gimmicks like new stadiums to get fans interested. The Celtics faithful will always come, through hell or high water.

[nickagneta]

Obviously the OP is way way too young to remember how hard it was to get the TD Garden built. The old Boston Garden needed to be replaced in the 1970's and couldn't get built until major concessions were made in regards to the public transportation around and under the building were put into place. Another arena isn't being built in Boston specifically for the Celtics ever. I don't think the C's ownership group has enough money to build one and keep it profitable and getting public money to finance it, which is the norm in the NBA, isn't happening in Massachusetts, especially after Kraft built Gillette Stadium pretty much on his own dime.

Boston isn't a big enough city to warrant competing arenas, one for hockey and one for basketball. Its not going to happen because one would eventually end up going under. Also, there's no space to build another arena in town that would be walking distance from all the hotels, restaurants, bars, clubs, and tourist attractions that they would need surrounding the arena to make it viable.

I think the current Garden will eventually have to be replaced but when it does, some 20-30 years from now, it will still be owned by the Bruins and the Celtics will still lease the building

[Rosco917]

 
The Celtics don't have a real good "deal" with the owners of the Garden either. They don't get a part of concessions, parking, etc. Not a real great situation for them. They are limited to Jersey sales for additional income.