Would you draft-day trade our pick (#7-11) for Nerlens Noel?

[PickNRoll]

http://nyloncalculus.com/stats/rim-protection/

This link attempts to calculate rim protection. It does this by calculating pts saved pergame. I dont know how reliable it is but a top 3 of Gobert, Hibbert, Bogut sounds about right. Anyway, it lists Noel behind Tyler Zeller.

He is a rookie, and he is listed right up there with some fantastic defensive centers, but lets not act like hes a dominant defender yet and there is some fear he will never even be decent on O.

I like him. I see him having a similar career to Tyson Chandler. But I see  that as a ceiling. I like some other posters would take Smart and Brooklyn 2016 off the table and then pretty much tell philly to take their pick of picks and players. I would offer our 2015, then the option between Sully, KO, or any other picks not belonging to the Nets.

Bingo.  I watch some sixers games.  He's not dominant in any way.  Putrid on offense. Occasionally a factor on defense due to his length.  More often he gets overpowered, bites on pump fakes, gets stuck on screens, goaltends, surrenders offensive boards or gets lost.  There's a reason they've won 12 games.

[celticsclay]

http://nyloncalculus.com/stats/rim-protection/

This link attempts to calculate rim protection. It does this by calculating pts saved pergame. I dont know how reliable it is but a top 3 of Gobert, Hibbert, Bogut sounds about right. Anyway, it lists Noel behind Tyler Zeller.

He is a rookie, and he is listed right up there with some fantastic defensive centers, but lets not act like hes a dominant defender yet and there is some fear he will never even be decent on O.

I like him. I see him having a similar career to Tyson Chandler. But I see  that as a ceiling. I like some other posters would take Smart and Brooklyn 2016 off the table and then pretty much tell philly to take their pick of picks and players. I would offer our 2015, then the option between Sully, KO, or any other picks not belonging to the Nets.

Bingo.  I watch some sixers games.  He's not dominant in any way.  Putrid on offense. Occasionally a factor on defense due to his length.  More often he gets overpowered, bites on pump fakes, gets stuck on screens, goaltends, surrenders offensive boards or gets lost.  There's a reason they've won 12 games.

double bingo

[LarBrd33]

http://nyloncalculus.com/stats/rim-protection/

This link attempts to calculate rim protection. It does this by calculating pts saved pergame. I dont know how reliable it is but a top 3 of Gobert, Hibbert, Bogut sounds about right. Anyway, it lists Noel behind Tyler Zeller.

He is a rookie, and he is listed right up there with some fantastic defensive centers, but lets not act like hes a dominant defender yet and there is some fear he will never even be decent on O.

I like him. I see him having a similar career to Tyson Chandler. But I see  that as a ceiling. I like some other posters would take Smart and Brooklyn 2016 off the table and then pretty much tell philly to take their pick of picks and players. I would offer our 2015, then the option between Sully, KO, or any other picks not belonging to the Nets.

Bingo.  I watch some sixers games.  He's not dominant in any way.  Putrid on offense. Occasionally a factor on defense due to his length.  More often he gets overpowered, bites on pump fakes, gets stuck on screens, goaltends, surrenders offensive boards or gets lost.  There's a reason they've won 12 games.

double bingo

Well that solves it, folks... Tyler Zeller is the 9th best rim protector in basketball.  No need to trade for a dominant defensive rookie prospect like Nerlens Noel.

Zeller is ahead of Duncan, Drummond, Dwight Howard, Tyson Chandler, Demarcus Cousins, DeAndre Jordan, Omer Asik, Marc Gasol, Al Horford, etc. 

Who woulda thunk that all this time we lamented our lack of interior defense, we had a top 9 defensive center already starting?  Shucks.  Tyler Zeller - DPOY

[PickNRoll]

http://nyloncalculus.com/stats/rim-protection/

This link attempts to calculate rim protection. It does this by calculating pts saved pergame. I dont know how reliable it is but a top 3 of Gobert, Hibbert, Bogut sounds about right. Anyway, it lists Noel behind Tyler Zeller.

He is a rookie, and he is listed right up there with some fantastic defensive centers, but lets not act like hes a dominant defender yet and there is some fear he will never even be decent on O.

I like him. I see him having a similar career to Tyson Chandler. But I see  that as a ceiling. I like some other posters would take Smart and Brooklyn 2016 off the table and then pretty much tell philly to take their pick of picks and players. I would offer our 2015, then the option between Sully, KO, or any other picks not belonging to the Nets.

Bingo.  I watch some sixers games.  He's not dominant in any way.  Putrid on offense. Occasionally a factor on defense due to his length.  More often he gets overpowered, bites on pump fakes, gets stuck on screens, goaltends, surrenders offensive boards or gets lost.  There's a reason they've won 12 games.

double bingo

Well that solves it, folks... Tyler Zeller is the 9th best rim protector in basketball.  No need to trade for a dominant defensive rookie prospect like Nerlens Noel.

Zeller is ahead of Duncan, Drummond, Dwight Howard, Tyson Chandler, Demarcus Cousins, DeAndre Jordan, Omer Asik, Marc Gasol, Al Horford, etc. 

Who woulda thunk that all this time we lamented our lack of interior defense, we had a top 9 defensive center already starting?  Shucks.  Tyler Zeller - DPOY

I'd happily toss out the rim protection stats -- I don't put a lot of stock in them.  Watching him play though, Noel is marginally better than Zeller as a rim protector and might be the worst offensive center in the league (without going through every team).

Trading our lottery pick for him would be a disaster.

[RAAAAAAAANDY]

I actually think Zeller doesn't get enough credit for the job he's done defensively.

Him and KO would make for an interesting front court.

[celticsclay]

http://nyloncalculus.com/stats/rim-protection/

This link attempts to calculate rim protection. It does this by calculating pts saved pergame. I dont know how reliable it is but a top 3 of Gobert, Hibbert, Bogut sounds about right. Anyway, it lists Noel behind Tyler Zeller.

He is a rookie, and he is listed right up there with some fantastic defensive centers, but lets not act like hes a dominant defender yet and there is some fear he will never even be decent on O.

I like him. I see him having a similar career to Tyson Chandler. But I see  that as a ceiling. I like some other posters would take Smart and Brooklyn 2016 off the table and then pretty much tell philly to take their pick of picks and players. I would offer our 2015, then the option between Sully, KO, or any other picks not belonging to the Nets.

Bingo.  I watch some sixers games.  He's not dominant in any way.  Putrid on offense. Occasionally a factor on defense due to his length.  More often he gets overpowered, bites on pump fakes, gets stuck on screens, goaltends, surrenders offensive boards or gets lost.  There's a reason they've won 12 games.

double bingo

Well that solves it, folks... Tyler Zeller is the 9th best rim protector in basketball.  No need to trade for a dominant defensive rookie prospect like Nerlens Noel.

Zeller is ahead of Duncan, Drummond, Dwight Howard, Tyson Chandler, Demarcus Cousins, DeAndre Jordan, Omer Asik, Marc Gasol, Al Horford, etc. 

Who woulda thunk that all this time we lamented our lack of interior defense, we had a top 9 defensive center already starting?  Shucks.  Tyler Zeller - DPOY

if you say something negative about noel in front of larbrd it is best to

[mahcus smaht]

http://nyloncalculus.com/stats/rim-protection/

This link attempts to calculate rim protection. It does this by calculating pts saved pergame. I dont know how reliable it is but a top 3 of Gobert, Hibbert, Bogut sounds about right. Anyway, it lists Noel behind Tyler Zeller.

He is a rookie, and he is listed right up there with some fantastic defensive centers, but lets not act like hes a dominant defender yet and there is some fear he will never even be decent on O.

I like him. I see him having a similar career to Tyson Chandler. But I see  that as a ceiling. I like some other posters would take Smart and Brooklyn 2016 off the table and then pretty much tell philly to take their pick of picks and players. I would offer our 2015, then the option between Sully, KO, or any other picks not belonging to the Nets.

Bingo.  I watch some sixers games.  He's not dominant in any way.  Putrid on offense. Occasionally a factor on defense due to his length.  More often he gets overpowered, bites on pump fakes, gets stuck on screens, goaltends, surrenders offensive boards or gets lost.  There's a reason they've won 12 games.

double bingo

Well that solves it, folks... Tyler Zeller is the 9th best rim protector in basketball.  No need to trade for a dominant defensive rookie prospect like Nerlens Noel.

Zeller is ahead of Duncan, Drummond, Dwight Howard, Tyson Chandler, Demarcus Cousins, DeAndre Jordan, Omer Asik, Marc Gasol, Al Horford, etc. 

Who woulda thunk that all this time we lamented our lack of interior defense, we had a top 9 defensive center already starting?  Shucks.  Tyler Zeller - DPOY

OK champ, you basically say that he was supposed to be a stud rim protector out of college and hes averaging great steal/blocks numbers and so hes on the fast track to a elite career.

He has 0 offensive game. He was part of a draft with less star potential than any I can remember but he dropped to 6 because guess what? He doesnt have star potential!!!! He had an ACL tear and no offensive game. Since then he has played half a season and still has no offensive game. So why is he all of a sudden worth top 10 picks in back to back drafts each of which are stronger than the one he was selected in?

Yes the metric is faulty but so is points, rebounds, blocks, steals and any other stat especially for a dude on the sixers. I like most posters dont watch much Noel, but he has yet to impress me.

Again, Id give up a first, but the dude is not what you make him out to be. I understand your point of view but I dont get why you feel like everyone or any metric which disagrees with you is an idiot. How about this:

Hibbert
Gasol
Drummond
Bogut
Gobert
Whiteside(eh)
Lopez
Cousins
Jordan
Ibaka
Duncan
Asik
Valanciunas
Lopez

Thats 14 very good- great defensive "rim protectors" and nearly all have better offensive games than Noel. This is why I would rather not sell the farm for Nerlen Noel.

Sorry for the 'tude but Im fired up today (IDK why)

[celticsclay]

http://nyloncalculus.com/stats/rim-protection/

This link attempts to calculate rim protection. It does this by calculating pts saved pergame. I dont know how reliable it is but a top 3 of Gobert, Hibbert, Bogut sounds about right. Anyway, it lists Noel behind Tyler Zeller.

He is a rookie, and he is listed right up there with some fantastic defensive centers, but lets not act like hes a dominant defender yet and there is some fear he will never even be decent on O.

I like him. I see him having a similar career to Tyson Chandler. But I see  that as a ceiling. I like some other posters would take Smart and Brooklyn 2016 off the table and then pretty much tell philly to take their pick of picks and players. I would offer our 2015, then the option between Sully, KO, or any other picks not belonging to the Nets.

Bingo.  I watch some sixers games.  He's not dominant in any way.  Putrid on offense. Occasionally a factor on defense due to his length.  More often he gets overpowered, bites on pump fakes, gets stuck on screens, goaltends, surrenders offensive boards or gets lost.  There's a reason they've won 12 games.

double bingo

Well that solves it, folks... Tyler Zeller is the 9th best rim protector in basketball.  No need to trade for a dominant defensive rookie prospect like Nerlens Noel.

Zeller is ahead of Duncan, Drummond, Dwight Howard, Tyson Chandler, Demarcus Cousins, DeAndre Jordan, Omer Asik, Marc Gasol, Al Horford, etc. 

Who woulda thunk that all this time we lamented our lack of interior defense, we had a top 9 defensive center already starting?  Shucks.  Tyler Zeller - DPOY

OK champ, you basically say that he was supposed to be a stud rim protector out of college and hes averaging great steal/blocks numbers and so hes on the fast track to a elite career.

He has 0 offensive game. He was part of a draft with less star potential than any I can remember but he dropped to 6 because guess what? He doesnt have star potential!!!! He had an ACL tear and no offensive game. Since then he has played half a season and still has no offensive game. So why is he all of a sudden worth top 10 picks in back to back drafts each of which are stronger than the one he was selected in?

Yes the metric is faulty but so is points, rebounds, blocks, steals and any other stat especially for a dude on the sixers. I like most posters dont watch much Noel, but he has yet to impress me.

Again, Id give up a first, but the dude is not what you make him out to be. I understand your point of view but I dont get why you feel like everyone or any metric which disagrees with you is an idiot. How about this:

Hibbert
Gasol
Drummond
Bogut
Gobert
Whiteside(eh)
Lopez
Cousins
Jordan
Ibaka
Duncan
Asik
Valanciunas
Lopez

Thats 14 very good- great defensive "rim protectors" and nearly all have better offensive games than Noel. This is why I would rather not sell the farm for Nerlen Noel.

Sorry for the 'tude but Im fired up today (IDK why)

[PickNRoll]

I actually think Zeller doesn't get enough credit for the job he's done defensively.

Him and KO would make for an interesting front court.

I agree, he's done a nice job and he's been a little better every month.  He's rebounding at about the same rate as Sully.  We're starting to see what his limits as a pro will be, IMO.  Nice backup on a cheap deal.

Rebound %
Bass:    10.9
KO:      12.3
Zeller:  15
Sully:   15.5

DeAndre Jordan: 23.6

Random tangent, but Turner crashes the Defensive glass at a remarkable 17.6%.  He allows Bass/Olynyk/Smallball lineups.

[RAAAAAAAANDY]

http://nyloncalculus.com/stats/rim-protection/

This link attempts to calculate rim protection. It does this by calculating pts saved pergame. I dont know how reliable it is but a top 3 of Gobert, Hibbert, Bogut sounds about right. Anyway, it lists Noel behind Tyler Zeller.

He is a rookie, and he is listed right up there with some fantastic defensive centers, but lets not act like hes a dominant defender yet and there is some fear he will never even be decent on O.

I like him. I see him having a similar career to Tyson Chandler. But I see  that as a ceiling. I like some other posters would take Smart and Brooklyn 2016 off the table and then pretty much tell philly to take their pick of picks and players. I would offer our 2015, then the option between Sully, KO, or any other picks not belonging to the Nets.

Bingo.  I watch some sixers games.  He's not dominant in any way.  Putrid on offense. Occasionally a factor on defense due to his length.  More often he gets overpowered, bites on pump fakes, gets stuck on screens, goaltends, surrenders offensive boards or gets lost.  There's a reason they've won 12 games.

double bingo

Well that solves it, folks... Tyler Zeller is the 9th best rim protector in basketball.  No need to trade for a dominant defensive rookie prospect like Nerlens Noel.

Zeller is ahead of Duncan, Drummond, Dwight Howard, Tyson Chandler, Demarcus Cousins, DeAndre Jordan, Omer Asik, Marc Gasol, Al Horford, etc. 

Who woulda thunk that all this time we lamented our lack of interior defense, we had a top 9 defensive center already starting?  Shucks.  Tyler Zeller - DPOY

OK champ, you basically say that he was supposed to be a stud rim protector out of college and hes averaging great steal/blocks numbers and so hes on the fast track to a elite career.

He has 0 offensive game. He was part of a draft with less star potential than any I can remember but he dropped to 6 because guess what? He doesnt have star potential!!!! He had an ACL tear and no offensive game. Since then he has played half a season and still has no offensive game. So why is he all of a sudden worth top 10 picks in back to back drafts each of which are stronger than the one he was selected in?

Yes the metric is faulty but so is points, rebounds, blocks, steals and any other stat especially for a dude on the sixers. I like most posters dont watch much Noel, but he has yet to impress me.

Again, Id give up a first, but the dude is not what you make him out to be. I understand your point of view but I dont get why you feel like everyone or any metric which disagrees with you is an idiot. How about this:

Hibbert
Gasol
Drummond
Bogut
Gobert
Whiteside(eh)
Lopez
Cousins
Jordan
Ibaka
Duncan
Asik
Valanciunas
Lopez

Thats 14 very good- great defensive "rim protectors" and nearly all have better offensive games than Noel. This is why I would rather not sell the farm for Nerlen Noel.

Sorry for the 'tude but Im fired up today (IDK why)

Nerlens Noel is 20 years old.

When Chandler was 20 he posted essentially a slightly better offensive line and a slightly worse defensive one.

Asik was a 24 year old rookie posting a pretty terrible offensive stat line, he's averaged double digits in points once. The idea that his offensive game will be better than Noel's at the same age is a bit ridiculous.

DeAndre Jordan is a terrible offensive player, he's the biggest liability in basketball in a close game. He's a career 42% FT shooter.

Please compare Roy Hibbert's rookie season, when he was 22 BTW, to Nerlens Noel's...

Rudy Gobert's offensive game ends 2 feet from the basket.

But if your standard is that Nerlens Noel isn't Tim Duncan I guess I'll have to concede that one, good luck prying the next Tim Duncan away from a team.

I could go on, but it's pretty obvious you've got a narrative you're much more interested in sticking to than you are in accepting the facts.

[LarBrd33]

http://nyloncalculus.com/stats/rim-protection/

This link attempts to calculate rim protection. It does this by calculating pts saved pergame. I dont know how reliable it is but a top 3 of Gobert, Hibbert, Bogut sounds about right. Anyway, it lists Noel behind Tyler Zeller.

He is a rookie, and he is listed right up there with some fantastic defensive centers, but lets not act like hes a dominant defender yet and there is some fear he will never even be decent on O.

I like him. I see him having a similar career to Tyson Chandler. But I see  that as a ceiling. I like some other posters would take Smart and Brooklyn 2016 off the table and then pretty much tell philly to take their pick of picks and players. I would offer our 2015, then the option between Sully, KO, or any other picks not belonging to the Nets.

Bingo.  I watch some sixers games.  He's not dominant in any way.  Putrid on offense. Occasionally a factor on defense due to his length.  More often he gets overpowered, bites on pump fakes, gets stuck on screens, goaltends, surrenders offensive boards or gets lost.  There's a reason they've won 12 games.

double bingo

Well that solves it, folks... Tyler Zeller is the 9th best rim protector in basketball.  No need to trade for a dominant defensive rookie prospect like Nerlens Noel.

Zeller is ahead of Duncan, Drummond, Dwight Howard, Tyson Chandler, Demarcus Cousins, DeAndre Jordan, Omer Asik, Marc Gasol, Al Horford, etc. 

Who woulda thunk that all this time we lamented our lack of interior defense, we had a top 9 defensive center already starting?  Shucks.  Tyler Zeller - DPOY

if you say something negative about noel in front of larbrd it is best to

I'm mostly just still butthurt the 76ers were able to trade Jrue Holiday for Noel + Elfrid Payton (who they flipped for Dario Saric, Orlando's 2017 1st and a 2nd rounder)...

I really wanted to see us trade Rondo for Noel on draft night.  I'm still not over it.  Lol. 

[PickNRoll]

http://nyloncalculus.com/stats/rim-protection/

This link attempts to calculate rim protection. It does this by calculating pts saved pergame. I dont know how reliable it is but a top 3 of Gobert, Hibbert, Bogut sounds about right. Anyway, it lists Noel behind Tyler Zeller.

He is a rookie, and he is listed right up there with some fantastic defensive centers, but lets not act like hes a dominant defender yet and there is some fear he will never even be decent on O.

I like him. I see him having a similar career to Tyson Chandler. But I see  that as a ceiling. I like some other posters would take Smart and Brooklyn 2016 off the table and then pretty much tell philly to take their pick of picks and players. I would offer our 2015, then the option between Sully, KO, or any other picks not belonging to the Nets.

Bingo.  I watch some sixers games.  He's not dominant in any way.  Putrid on offense. Occasionally a factor on defense due to his length.  More often he gets overpowered, bites on pump fakes, gets stuck on screens, goaltends, surrenders offensive boards or gets lost.  There's a reason they've won 12 games.

double bingo

Well that solves it, folks... Tyler Zeller is the 9th best rim protector in basketball.  No need to trade for a dominant defensive rookie prospect like Nerlens Noel.

Zeller is ahead of Duncan, Drummond, Dwight Howard, Tyson Chandler, Demarcus Cousins, DeAndre Jordan, Omer Asik, Marc Gasol, Al Horford, etc. 

Who woulda thunk that all this time we lamented our lack of interior defense, we had a top 9 defensive center already starting?  Shucks.  Tyler Zeller - DPOY

OK champ, you basically say that he was supposed to be a stud rim protector out of college and hes averaging great steal/blocks numbers and so hes on the fast track to a elite career.

He has 0 offensive game. He was part of a draft with less star potential than any I can remember but he dropped to 6 because guess what? He doesnt have star potential!!!! He had an ACL tear and no offensive game. Since then he has played half a season and still has no offensive game. So why is he all of a sudden worth top 10 picks in back to back drafts each of which are stronger than the one he was selected in?

Yes the metric is faulty but so is points, rebounds, blocks, steals and any other stat especially for a dude on the sixers. I like most posters dont watch much Noel, but he has yet to impress me.

Again, Id give up a first, but the dude is not what you make him out to be. I understand your point of view but I dont get why you feel like everyone or any metric which disagrees with you is an idiot. How about this:

Hibbert
Gasol
Drummond
Bogut
Gobert
Whiteside(eh)
Lopez
Cousins
Jordan
Ibaka
Duncan
Asik
Valanciunas
Lopez

Thats 14 very good- great defensive "rim protectors" and nearly all have better offensive games than Noel. This is why I would rather not sell the farm for Nerlen Noel.

Sorry for the 'tude but Im fired up today (IDK why)

Nerlens Noel is 20 years old.

When Chandler was 20 he posted essentially a slightly better offensive line and a slightly worse defensive one.

Asik was a 24 year old rookie posting a pretty terrible offensive stat line, he's averaged double digits in points once. The idea that his offensive game will be better than Noel's at the same age is a bit ridiculous.

DeAndre Jordan is a terrible offensive player, he's the biggest liability in basketball in a close game. He's a career 42% FT shooter.

Please compare Roy Hibbert's rookie season, when he was 22 BTW, to Nerlens Noel's...

Rudy Gobert's offensive game ends 2 feet from the basket.

But if your standard is that Nerlens Noel isn't Tim Duncan I guess I'll have to concede that one, good luck prying the next Tim Duncan away from a team.

I could go on, but it's pretty obvious you've got a narrative you're much more interested in sticking to than you are in accepting the facts.

DeAndre Jordan shoots 71% from the field.  Gobert 63%.  Noel 44%.  They're not even close.  Jordan averages 4.7 offensive rebounds per game.  He's a superb offensive player.

[LarBrd33]

http://nyloncalculus.com/stats/rim-protection/

This link attempts to calculate rim protection. It does this by calculating pts saved pergame. I dont know how reliable it is but a top 3 of Gobert, Hibbert, Bogut sounds about right. Anyway, it lists Noel behind Tyler Zeller.

He is a rookie, and he is listed right up there with some fantastic defensive centers, but lets not act like hes a dominant defender yet and there is some fear he will never even be decent on O.

I like him. I see him having a similar career to Tyson Chandler. But I see  that as a ceiling. I like some other posters would take Smart and Brooklyn 2016 off the table and then pretty much tell philly to take their pick of picks and players. I would offer our 2015, then the option between Sully, KO, or any other picks not belonging to the Nets.

Bingo.  I watch some sixers games.  He's not dominant in any way.  Putrid on offense. Occasionally a factor on defense due to his length.  More often he gets overpowered, bites on pump fakes, gets stuck on screens, goaltends, surrenders offensive boards or gets lost.  There's a reason they've won 12 games.

double bingo

Well that solves it, folks... Tyler Zeller is the 9th best rim protector in basketball.  No need to trade for a dominant defensive rookie prospect like Nerlens Noel.

Zeller is ahead of Duncan, Drummond, Dwight Howard, Tyson Chandler, Demarcus Cousins, DeAndre Jordan, Omer Asik, Marc Gasol, Al Horford, etc. 

Who woulda thunk that all this time we lamented our lack of interior defense, we had a top 9 defensive center already starting?  Shucks.  Tyler Zeller - DPOY

OK champ, you basically say that he was supposed to be a stud rim protector out of college and hes averaging great steal/blocks numbers and so hes on the fast track to a elite career.

He has 0 offensive game. He was part of a draft with less star potential than any I can remember but he dropped to 6 because guess what? He doesnt have star potential!!!! He had an ACL tear and no offensive game. Since then he has played half a season and still has no offensive game. So why is he all of a sudden worth top 10 picks in back to back drafts each of which are stronger than the one he was selected in?

Yes the metric is faulty but so is points, rebounds, blocks, steals and any other stat especially for a dude on the sixers. I like most posters dont watch much Noel, but he has yet to impress me.

Again, Id give up a first, but the dude is not what you make him out to be. I understand your point of view but I dont get why you feel like everyone or any metric which disagrees with you is an idiot. How about this:

Hibbert
Gasol
Drummond
Bogut
Gobert
Whiteside(eh)
Lopez
Cousins
Jordan
Ibaka
Duncan
Asik
Valanciunas
Lopez

Thats 14 very good- great defensive "rim protectors" and nearly all have better offensive games than Noel. This is why I would rather not sell the farm for Nerlen Noel.

Sorry for the 'tude but Im fired up today (IDK why)

He's a rookie coming off major surgery and already a better prospect than anyone on this franchise.  How many of those players averaged 2 blocks and 2 steals as 20 year old rookies coming off major surgery?

If you're comparing 20 year old post-injury Noel to the above names, perhaps you should compare him to those players at the same point in their lives...

How about 20 year old Hibbert?  College.  21 year old Hibbert?  College.  22 year old healthy Hibbert?  7 points, 3.5 rebounds and a block.

20 year old Deandre Jordan averaged 4.3 points, 4.5 rebounds, 1 block

Asik didn't enter the league until he was 24 years old and he averaged 2.8 points, 3.7 rebounds, 0 steals and 0.7 blocks...

Should we play this same game with 25 year old Whiteside?

It's called "development", folks.

[celticsclay]

lol! i liked that one larbrd. I think it remains to be seen how good a prospect he is. Either one of you guys could be right.

edit ughh can you delete the second gif it is going to give me a seizure when i scroll through.

[Irish Stew]

I'm a big fan of Nerlens Noel. I would trade our first round pick in the draft for him but I doubt Philadelphia would. So I'd offer a future pick too. I think Philadelphia would insist on a Brooklyn pick but I'd want to hang onto those. But I think Philadelphia won't consider trading him until they see Embiid play.

I don't think that I would do this deal but I think that you are correct in saying that Philly would ask for something like this. In the end, I think that we are likely to draft between 6 and 8 and hopefully Cauley-Stein would be available.