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Re: C's reportedly interested in Ty Lawson
« Reply #90 on: February 16, 2015, 06:04:28 PM »

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Lawson is great. Not sure what Danny's angle is here but it's interesting.

Other reports say that the Kings are looking to dump Tristan Thompson's contract and are willing to include Stauskas as a sweetener.

Danny could try and jump on this because you can bet your house that Karl wants his favorite PG that he developed back with him in California.


Thompson is with the Cavs and decent. It's Williams and Staukas that SAC's dangling and they both score high on suckitude.

Re: C's reportedly interested in Ty Lawson
« Reply #91 on: February 16, 2015, 06:08:38 PM »

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What if Danny is trying to get Lawson to flip him (either simultaneously in a three-team deal or in a separate transaction) for Cousins? George Karl's last playoff team had Lawson running the show.

Re: C's reportedly interested in Ty Lawson
« Reply #92 on: February 16, 2015, 06:38:15 PM »

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What if Danny is trying to get Lawson to flip him (either simultaneously in a three-team deal or in a separate transaction) for Cousins? George Karl's last playoff team had Lawson running the show.

This is plausible. Unlikely but its plausible.

Re: C's reportedly interested in Ty Lawson
« Reply #93 on: February 16, 2015, 09:16:54 PM »

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Lawson is great. Not sure what Danny's angle is here but it's interesting.

Other reports say that the Kings are looking to dump Tristan Thompson's contract and are willing to include Stauskas as a sweetener.

Danny could try and jump on this because you can bet your house that Karl wants his favorite PG that he developed back with him in California.


Thompson is with the Cavs and decent. It's Williams and Staukas that SAC's dangling and they both score high on suckitude.

Sorry I meant Thompson on the Kings. Jason Thompson?

Sam Smith reckons that the Kings are dangling him out there with Stauskas as the sweetener.
But yeah, Jason Thompson is terrible and his contract goes through 2017/18 so you're not gonna need his 6/7 million for a few years and would probably want some picks.
"We are lucky we have a very patient GM that isn't willing to settle for being good and coming close. He wants to win a championship and we have the potential to get there still with our roster and assets."

quoting 'Greg B' on RealGM after 2017 trade deadline.
Read that last line again. One more time.

Re: C's reportedly interested in Ty Lawson
« Reply #94 on: February 16, 2015, 10:09:23 PM »

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As an aside, Rondo is shooting 26% from the line as a member of the Mavs. I am not sure about this but he might be on track to be the first player in NBA history to shoot better from 3pt land than from the line.

Well, Steve Novak is currently 16-33 on threes and 0-2 on free throws (and also 0-2 on 2-point FG attempts). 

In 2002-2003, Bruce Bowen was 101-229 (44.1%) on threes and 36-89 (40.4%) on free throws.  In 95-96, Ken Norman shot 39.3% in 84 3PA and 35.4% in 48 FTA.  Those are the only guys to do it with at least 20 attempts in each category.

TP.

I guess Rondo will have to be content with his relentless pursuit of the worst single-season FT% of all time. He's currently in 3rd, behind Larry Smith (.240) and Andris Biedrins (.306).

Re: C's reportedly interested in Ty Lawson
« Reply #95 on: February 16, 2015, 10:11:06 PM »

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hopefully we can help write another chapter in Tim Connellys book of idiocy as Denvers GM.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11865367/how-denver-nuggets-became-nba-biggest-disappointment
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Re: C's reportedly interested in Ty Lawson
« Reply #96 on: February 16, 2015, 11:48:47 PM »

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I would love to get Ty Lawson and don't stop there.  Get a big man too and keep going.

Lawson to me is  a guy who could be had on the cheap somewhat to attract another player.

I'm hoping these rumors are being underestimated somewhat.  Could be something big in the works.

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Re: C's reportedly interested in Ty Lawson
« Reply #97 on: February 17, 2015, 02:21:34 AM »

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I would love to get Ty Lawson and don't stop there.  Get a big man too and keep going.

Lawson to me is  a guy who could be had on the cheap somewhat to attract another player.

I'm hoping these rumors are being underestimated somewhat.  Could be something big in the works.

Lawson fits into our TPE, so a 2-step blockbuster would be:

2x 1st rounders + TPE for Lawson
...
Lawson, Olynyk, 2x 1st rounders for Cousins

Net for us would be KO and 4 picks for Cousins...

Re: C's reportedly interested in Ty Lawson
« Reply #98 on: February 17, 2015, 02:53:02 AM »

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Seems this is more likely Danny preparing to make a run at Durant in 2016.

Lawson was also recently quoted talking about returning to Washington to play with Durant one day- they played together in high school and are very close friends and Lawson said they have talked about playing together in their home city once again.

“I’ve talked to him about it, but I probably can’t tell you what he said,” Lawson laughingly told CSNwashington.com when the Nuggets visited last month….

“We talked about it. Everybody going home and playing for their respective cities,” Lawson said. “It would be cool, especially playing with the people you grew up with. I grew up with KD. It would be fun to play with them on one team.”


Problem for Lawson is that Washington already has an All Star point guard in John Wall.
Still doesn't mean they can't play together on the East Coast.


Article where Lawson is quoted:
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/02/ty-lawson-says-he-has-talked-with-kevin-durant-about-going-home-to-washington-dc/



Danny's plan?

1) get Durant's buddy
2) get Cousins
3) get Durant
4) win Championship

Easy game!
"We are lucky we have a very patient GM that isn't willing to settle for being good and coming close. He wants to win a championship and we have the potential to get there still with our roster and assets."

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Read that last line again. One more time.

Re: C's reportedly interested in Ty Lawson
« Reply #99 on: February 17, 2015, 03:02:00 AM »

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I would love to get Ty Lawson and don't stop there.  Get a big man too and keep going.

Lawson to me is  a guy who could be had on the cheap somewhat to attract another player.

I'm hoping these rumors are being underestimated somewhat.  Could be something big in the works.

Lawson fits into our TPE, so a 2-step blockbuster would be:

2x 1st rounders + TPE for Lawson
...
Lawson, Olynyk, 2x 1st rounders for Cousins

Net for us would be KO and 4 picks for Cousins...

I actually think we'd keep Lawson because Smart would have to be traded as part of a package for Cousins.

Something like:

1) 2015 Clippers pick+Bradley+Bass for Lawson.

2) Smart, Olynyk, 2015 Celtics lottery pick, 2016 Brooklyn pick, 2016 Cavs pick for a disgruntled Cousins who hates George Karl.

Option two is something out of a dream but perhaps Cousins really doesn't want George Karl there.



"We are lucky we have a very patient GM that isn't willing to settle for being good and coming close. He wants to win a championship and we have the potential to get there still with our roster and assets."

quoting 'Greg B' on RealGM after 2017 trade deadline.
Read that last line again. One more time.

Re: C's reportedly interested in Ty Lawson
« Reply #100 on: February 17, 2015, 05:48:14 AM »

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Count me as someone who is not a big fan of Lawson's.  Check out:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lawsoty01.html

While his assists are up, his FG% and 3Pt% has gone down almost each year since his rookie year in 2009-2010.  And his per 36 hasn't improved in most categories, but gotten worse.  To me this is not a good trend, but an example of "buying high".  Count me out.

Re: C's reportedly interested in Ty Lawson
« Reply #101 on: February 17, 2015, 06:31:34 AM »

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The big difference between this rebuild and the creation of the big three is that we don't have a piece like Pierce to add to, to attract talent. A proven player who other top level players want to play with. DA will have to trade to get that player before we can add others.

A proven PG would be a good start.

Re: C's reportedly interested in Ty Lawson
« Reply #102 on: February 17, 2015, 07:13:39 AM »

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Count me as someone who is not a big fan of Lawson's.  Check out:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lawsoty01.html

While his assists are up, his FG% and 3Pt% has gone down almost each year since his rookie year in 2009-2010.  And his per 36 hasn't improved in most categories, but gotten worse.  To me this is not a good trend, but an example of "buying high".  Count me out.

I think you're overanalyzing a bit. His shooting is down just slightly and has barely changed since becoming a full-time starter (54% TS this year, 55% each of the last two). He's pretty much a lock to give you 45/35/75 shooting, 8-10 assists, and gets to the free throw line. His defense is at least above average despite his height. And for this, he's getting about 80% of the current max salary for 2 more years. Current ranks amongst PGs:

Points: #13
Assists: #2
Assists/TO: #2
FTA/FTM: #3/#4

In short, he's a top-10 PG in his prime, with a reasonable contract, who for some reason is available.

Re: C's reportedly interested in Ty Lawson
« Reply #103 on: February 17, 2015, 07:35:54 AM »

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Count me as someone who is not a big fan of Lawson's.  Check out:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lawsoty01.html

While his assists are up, his FG% and 3Pt% has gone down almost each year since his rookie year in 2009-2010.  And his per 36 hasn't improved in most categories, but gotten worse.  To me this is not a good trend, but an example of "buying high".  Count me out.

I think you're overanalyzing a bit. His shooting is down just slightly and has barely changed since becoming a full-time starter (54% TS this year, 55% each of the last two). He's pretty much a lock to give you 45/35/75 shooting, 8-10 assists, and gets to the free throw line. His defense is at least above average despite his height. And for this, he's getting about 80% of the current max salary for 2 more years. Current ranks amongst PGs:

Points: #13
Assists: #2
Assists/TO: #2
FTA/FTM: #3/#4

In short, he's a top-10 PG in his prime, with a reasonable contract, who for some reason is available.

I certainly value defense, which is why I'm so optimistic about Smart.  But what is special about 45/35/75?  In today's game those numbers, especially the 35% from 3-pt, are not all that good.

Whether his shooting has gone down "just slightly" or not, they've still gone down.  He became a starter in 2011-2012 when he averaged 34.8 minutes/game.  During that season he averaged 16.4ppg on 48.8 fg% and 36.5 3pt%.  Now in 2014-2015 he is averaging 16.9ppg on 44.7 fg% and 36.0 3pt%.  That's a 4.1 fg% drop, which is more than just slightly in my opinion.  But most of all, his scoring has been trending downward.  I still stand by my opinion that I don't want to trade valuable assets for a player who is at best not improving. 

Re: C's reportedly interested in Ty Lawson
« Reply #104 on: February 17, 2015, 07:45:45 AM »

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Count me as someone who is not a big fan of Lawson's.  Check out:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lawsoty01.html

While his assists are up, his FG% and 3Pt% has gone down almost each year since his rookie year in 2009-2010.  And his per 36 hasn't improved in most categories, but gotten worse.  To me this is not a good trend, but an example of "buying high".  Count me out.

I think you're overanalyzing a bit. His shooting is down just slightly and has barely changed since becoming a full-time starter (54% TS this year, 55% each of the last two). He's pretty much a lock to give you 45/35/75 shooting, 8-10 assists, and gets to the free throw line. His defense is at least above average despite his height. And for this, he's getting about 80% of the current max salary for 2 more years. Current ranks amongst PGs:

Points: #13
Assists: #2
Assists/TO: #2
FTA/FTM: #3/#4

In short, he's a top-10 PG in his prime, with a reasonable contract, who for some reason is available.

I certainly value defense, which is why I'm so optimistic about Smart.  But what is special about 45/35/75?  In today's game those numbers, especially the 35% from 3-pt, are not all that good.

Whether his shooting has gone down "just slightly" or not, they've still gone down.  He became a starter in 2011-2012 when he averaged 34.8 minutes/game.  During that season he averaged 16.4ppg on 48.8 fg% and 36.5 3pt%.  Now in 2014-2015 he is averaging 16.9ppg on 44.7 fg% and 36.0 3pt%.  That's a 4.1 fg% drop, which is more than just slightly in my opinion.  But most of all, his scoring has been trending downward.  I still stand by my opinion that I don't want to trade valuable assets for a player who is at best not improving.

If you look at his fg percentage it also coincides with the nuggets record.  Maybe he shoots better with better players around him.

2011-2012 he shot .488 and they won 38 games and lost 28.
2012-2013 the won 57 games and he shot his best percentage.

The last two years the nuggets have been terrible and his fg has dropped. Maybe the nuggets want to rebuild.  It's similar to rondo in theory although Lawson is a better scorer, shooter and free throw shooter.

I am a huge fan of Marcus Smart and would like to build that way and through the draft but I think if we can still put together a sure thing we have to look at that.  It was no different than when we had Rondo.  We had to look at those scenarios.  I don't think that changes.
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