Better Players to Waste Money On than Rondo + Green.

[Eja117]

They're gone, LarBrd33.

How much longer are you going to trash them?

Saying that you don't want to pay a player x dollars isn't trashing them.

But TBH - the title of this thread just seems classless.

And this comes from the same poster whom I remember has called Rondo - "A Terrific Player".

For all their faults/whatever - they've both exhibited Celtic Pride.

Jeff Green's life was threatened with his heart condition...he's played out of position in OKC, came to BOS for a very popular player (Perk), endured the KG/PP trades, seemed to flourish under Rondo, then had Rondo traded, lol smh...

Rondo's played with a broken arm, etc, etc, etc..

Granted - I've accepted the direction that the team is going in, but I'm not going to trash two players whom at one time figured large in BOS's future.

Danny's changed direction. I accept that.

But as long as there are threads like this, there will be dissenters.

Yeah this is getting annoying. Rondo and Green are good players who had great games during their time with the Celtics. I like the young players on the Celtics, but let's repsect the two people who gave the Celtics some entertainment over the years.

Yall can stop defending those bums... They are gone.

Lol seriously though rondo/green were fine players. Don't get me wrong. Jeff is a top 150 player and rondo is a top 100 player. But lets have perspective here.  We didn't just lose Larry Bird and Kevin McHale. We lost slightly above average players who are in fact replaceable.  When you can replace Green/rondo with the bench dwellers on your own team and barely skip a beat, it's a telling sign you didn't need to pay max money for them.

Fact is, there are several Rondo/Green level players in free agency this year.  I wouldn't suggest giving DeAndre Jordan max money any more than I'd recommend giving jeff green max money, but if you feel like blowing oodles of cash by overpaying a starter, the opportunity will be there this summer.  By trading green and rondo for draft picks we essentially lose nothing.  If we choose to overpay players, we can. We will have received all these draft picks basically for free.

Well when the other option is to defend the bums that are here I'd rather defend the bums that were better players.

Even when one of those bums was clearly dogging it?

Mike

If anyone's dogging it that would have to be Marcus Smart. I heard about this athletic legend that was built like an Olympic weight lifter but could jump out of the gym and could move faster than a cat and cared about nothing but basketball.   Bust.  Either someone lied or he's dogging it.

[LooseCannon]

30 million in cap space?  $16-17m to Paul Millsap, $13-14m to Omer Asik.

I'd like to see about 20 mill to Jimmy Butler or Kawhi Leonard... and 12 mill to Greg Monroe.. Seems like a better balance than 2 Bigs. Also goes well with the "youth movement" that we're hearing so much about.

Butler and Leonard aren't getting $20 million and they're going to be matched if they sign an offer sheet.  Monroe is getting more than $12 million and I have little interest in him.

[chambers]

Although I'm not a fan of LaBrd33's cocky tone and the extra irrelevant propaganda he always likes to squeeze in to every Rondo discussion- he's pretty much hit the nail on the head here.

I don't agree with some of the Rondo rhetoric but I do agree that people are overreacting on the loss and the supposed lack of return.

Rondo probably wanted too much money and Ainge would rather sign him back as a free agent and get some assets in case someone does want to over pay for him and he walks from Boston.

Regardless of what the exact reasons were, the eventual package we got from both Rondo has turned out okay for an expiring deal, and we had some extra luck when Danny managed to pluck a first round pick for Jeff Green which is simply amazing.

I mean who would have thought 6 months ago that we'd be getting a first rounder for Uncle Snooze?

To Brd's point, there are plenty of fish in the sea that could likely help us as much or more.... but that doesn't mean we have to go fishing immediately. Contenders are built over years of cultivation and timing has to be right.

We need a franchise/ game changing player first. Rondo and Green were the supporting cast to a franchise player.

[obnoxiousmime]

I'm on the record as saying I don't see the Celtics being able to sign any top young free agents this summer. There just aren't a lot of promising young players who are in bad situations or on teams that can't figure out ways to fit them reasonably onto the books. Old free agents I'm just ignoring because they wouldn't fit with this team's current age and they care more about winning than money at this point of their careers.

I do agree with the point, however, that it's all about getting value for the money spent. Is Avery Bradley that much better than someone making 3 million? 5 million? Does he have a chance of playing better than his deal? What about the odds of regressing? Is he tradeable tomorrow if you tried to deal him for nothing in return? I can't say right now that he could be and that makes it a bad deal in my eyes. Not a horrendous deal but just because we can afford it doesn't make it acceptable.

I think Ainge will try to get one of the top RFA that are still young but will be rebuffed. Then he will go for some of the bargains a la Evan Turner last year to maintain flexibility. Next season will be another losing season though you have to assume they will be better than bottom 7-8 range just due to the extra experience gained. After that you hope that the guys you have drafted have started to make enough progress to make the team competitive enough to make the playoffs.

Some things that would delay the rebuild are not getting a major hit with their pick this year and not finding a defensive big man. If they go another season not accomplishing either they will kind of be in the same situation as Orlando - lots of nice players but no real stars after a few years of rebuilding (though Payton has the potential to be very good).

Rohrbach made a good point in his recent WEEI columnhttp://www.weei.com/sports/boston/basketball/celtics/ben-rohrbach/2015/01/12/danny-ainge-sets-sail-uncharted-cs that really, since the Rondo pick Ainge has not had that home run, no-doubt-about-it pick. We've had some nice surprises here or there but nobody that is special or all-star caliber. Yes, he hasn't always been picking in the best slot but it didn't stop him in the past with the great Jefferson (15th) and Rondo (21st) picks. Is it being too harsh to expect better draft results from Ainge considering where he's been picking? Maybe, but that's also what it takes to be competitive in this league if you're not bottoming out like the Sixers and picking in the top 5 every year. There ARE lots of very good players taken outside the top ten and at some point Ainge is gonna have to hit big on one of those.

BTW, I like James Young so maybe that's one of those big hits . Nurkic would have been even more awesome but hey, he went before our pick and maybe we had no shot at him.

[KGs Knee]

They're gone, LarBrd33.

How much longer are you going to trash them?

For as long as people keep taking the troll-bait.

It's a tired, but apparently, effective strategy.

[MBunge]

They're gone, LarBrd33.

How much longer are you going to trash them?

Saying that you don't want to pay a player x dollars isn't trashing them.

But TBH - the title of this thread just seems classless.

And this comes from the same poster whom I remember has called Rondo - "A Terrific Player".

For all their faults/whatever - they've both exhibited Celtic Pride.

Jeff Green's life was threatened with his heart condition...he's played out of position in OKC, came to BOS for a very popular player (Perk), endured the KG/PP trades, seemed to flourish under Rondo, then had Rondo traded, lol smh...

Rondo's played with a broken arm, etc, etc, etc..

Granted - I've accepted the direction that the team is going in, but I'm not going to trash two players whom at one time figured large in BOS's future.

Danny's changed direction. I accept that.

But as long as there are threads like this, there will be dissenters.

Yeah this is getting annoying. Rondo and Green are good players who had great games during their time with the Celtics. I like the young players on the Celtics, but let's repsect the two people who gave the Celtics some entertainment over the years.

Yall can stop defending those bums... They are gone.

Lol seriously though rondo/green were fine players. Don't get me wrong. Jeff is a top 150 player and rondo is a top 100 player. But lets have perspective here.  We didn't just lose Larry Bird and Kevin McHale. We lost slightly above average players who are in fact replaceable.  When you can replace Green/rondo with the bench dwellers on your own team and barely skip a beat, it's a telling sign you didn't need to pay max money for them.

Fact is, there are several Rondo/Green level players in free agency this year.  I wouldn't suggest giving DeAndre Jordan max money any more than I'd recommend giving jeff green max money, but if you feel like blowing oodles of cash by overpaying a starter, the opportunity will be there this summer.  By trading green and rondo for draft picks we essentially lose nothing.  If we choose to overpay players, we can. We will have received all these draft picks basically for free.

Well when the other option is to defend the bums that are here I'd rather defend the bums that were better players.

Even when one of those bums was clearly dogging it?

Mike

If anyone's dogging it that would have to be Marcus Smart. I heard about this athletic legend that was built like an Olympic weight lifter but could jump out of the gym and could move faster than a cat and cared about nothing but basketball.   Bust.  Either someone lied or he's dogging it.

So, even you have to admit that Rondo WAS dogging it.  All you can do is try and deflect attention from that.

Mike

[Eja117]

They're gone, LarBrd33.

How much longer are you going to trash them?

Saying that you don't want to pay a player x dollars isn't trashing them.

But TBH - the title of this thread just seems classless.

And this comes from the same poster whom I remember has called Rondo - "A Terrific Player".

For all their faults/whatever - they've both exhibited Celtic Pride.

Jeff Green's life was threatened with his heart condition...he's played out of position in OKC, came to BOS for a very popular player (Perk), endured the KG/PP trades, seemed to flourish under Rondo, then had Rondo traded, lol smh...

Rondo's played with a broken arm, etc, etc, etc..

Granted - I've accepted the direction that the team is going in, but I'm not going to trash two players whom at one time figured large in BOS's future.

Danny's changed direction. I accept that.

But as long as there are threads like this, there will be dissenters.

Yeah this is getting annoying. Rondo and Green are good players who had great games during their time with the Celtics. I like the young players on the Celtics, but let's repsect the two people who gave the Celtics some entertainment over the years.

Yall can stop defending those bums... They are gone.

Lol seriously though rondo/green were fine players. Don't get me wrong. Jeff is a top 150 player and rondo is a top 100 player. But lets have perspective here.  We didn't just lose Larry Bird and Kevin McHale. We lost slightly above average players who are in fact replaceable.  When you can replace Green/rondo with the bench dwellers on your own team and barely skip a beat, it's a telling sign you didn't need to pay max money for them.

Fact is, there are several Rondo/Green level players in free agency this year.  I wouldn't suggest giving DeAndre Jordan max money any more than I'd recommend giving jeff green max money, but if you feel like blowing oodles of cash by overpaying a starter, the opportunity will be there this summer.  By trading green and rondo for draft picks we essentially lose nothing.  If we choose to overpay players, we can. We will have received all these draft picks basically for free.

Well when the other option is to defend the bums that are here I'd rather defend the bums that were better players.

Even when one of those bums was clearly dogging it?

Mike

If anyone's dogging it that would have to be Marcus Smart. I heard about this athletic legend that was built like an Olympic weight lifter but could jump out of the gym and could move faster than a cat and cared about nothing but basketball.   Bust.  Either someone lied or he's dogging it.

So, even you have to admit that Rondo WAS dogging it.  All you can do is try and deflect attention from that.

Mike

That's a fair question, and I'll agree to Rondo having coasted, but I don't think it was even half as bad as the year the big 3 and Sheed collected checks till the playoffs. Then they turned it on.  I think Rondo learned from the best and was doing that. If you think Smart is going to sign some huge contract, get surrounded by D Leaguers, and still bring his legendary A triple plus game a year removed from an ACL injury then you are probably kidding yourself

[Evantime34]

I completely agree with the idea that there are better players we could spend our money on than Green and Rondo. They both were going to be looking to get paid and with the list of free agents available in the offseason it makes sense for us to keep our cap space and let the young guys play rather than overpay to keep a team that might not have made the playoff together.

Here is the list of guys I would rather target in free agency than those two, in no particular order
Jimmy Butler
Kevin Love
Greg Monroe
Draymond Green
Roy Hibbert
DeAndre Jordan
Marc Gasol
Omer Asik
Reggie Jackson
Tobias Harris
KJ McDaniels
LaMarcus Aldridge
Danny Green
Enes Kanter

[Eja117]

I completely agree with the idea that there are better players we could spend our money on than Green and Rondo. They both were going to be looking to get paid and with the list of free agents available in the offseason it makes sense for us to keep our cap space and let the young guys play rather than overpay to keep a team that might not have made the playoff together.

Here is the list of guys I would rather target in free agency than those two, in no particular order
Jimmy Butler
Kevin Love
Greg Monroe
Draymond Green
Roy Hibbert
DeAndre Jordan
Marc Gasol
Omer Asik
Reggie Jackson
Tobias Harris
KJ McDaniels
LaMarcus Aldridge
Danny Green
Enes Kanter

Believe it or not I generally agree with this.

I'll believe one of these guys will willingly come here when I see it. I mean this in the nicest way possible....a lot of them would have been interested to come play here with Rondo. Our next best guy, whoever it is, won't make them think that. 
It will be interesting to see how the teams with bird rights on these guys handle this

[Evantime34]

I completely agree with the idea that there are better players we could spend our money on than Green and Rondo. They both were going to be looking to get paid and with the list of free agents available in the offseason it makes sense for us to keep our cap space and let the young guys play rather than overpay to keep a team that might not have made the playoff together.

Here is the list of guys I would rather target in free agency than those two, in no particular order
Jimmy Butler
Kevin Love
Greg Monroe
Draymond Green
Roy Hibbert
DeAndre Jordan
Marc Gasol
Omer Asik
Reggie Jackson
Tobias Harris
KJ McDaniels
LaMarcus Aldridge
Danny Green
Enes Kanter

Believe it or not I generally agree with this.

I'll believe one of these guys will willingly come here when I see it. I mean this in the nicest way possible....a lot of them would have been interested to come play here with Rondo. Our next best guy, whoever it is, won't make them think that. 
It will be interesting to see how the teams with bird rights on these guys handle this

Somehow I forgot Kawhi Leonard on this list. Even if we can't sign any from this list, I would love to see us put in a max offer sheet for one of the restricted guys and force San Antonio, or Chicago to match.

[PickNRoll]

Drop Enes Kanter.  Add Paul Millsap.

[Evantime34]

Drop Enes Kanter.  Add Paul Millsap.

I didn't include any 4's on the list because I want to see what Olynyk and Sullinger develop into before I sign a vet to big money. I'd rather use the money to upgrade the 2,3 or 5 positions.

[bobbyv]

I completely agree with the idea that there are better players we could spend our money on than Green and Rondo. They both were going to be looking to get paid and with the list of free agents available in the offseason it makes sense for us to keep our cap space and let the young guys play rather than overpay to keep a team that might not have made the playoff together.

Here is the list of guys I would rather target in free agency than those two, in no particular order
Jimmy Butler
Kevin Love
Greg Monroe
Draymond Green
Roy Hibbert
DeAndre Jordan
Marc Gasol
Omer Asik
Reggie Jackson
Tobias Harris
KJ McDaniels
LaMarcus Aldridge
Danny Green
Enes Kanter

Good list. Now explain to me why any of the bolded players (game changers) would want to come to Boston.

[spikelovetheCelts]

Drop Enes Kanter.  Add Paul Millsap.

I didn't include any 4's on the list because I want to see what Olynyk and Sullinger develop into before I sign a vet to big money. I'd rather use the money to upgrade the 2,3 or 5 positions.

5 is the Magic Number. Hopefully we will get that in the Draft. I like all our other guys if they continue to progress. All of them did some nice things last night except KO.

[aporel#18]

wait for the 2016 trade deadline/Free Agency.

The rebuild will require all 2015 to assess current players, draft some more and make small but smart moves in Free Agency.

That's why I'd love Danny to go after Eric Gordon (+NOP 2016 first for Bass+Thornton), he might or might not fit into the team (although he can really shoot and would be a good scorer off the bench to pair with Smart), but he will be a Ratliff-like contract by February 2016.