How the Celtics should look after the deadline (Make it happen Danny!!!)

[Endless Paradise]

If I'm OKC, I would approach any trade negotiations for Jackson with the viewpoint that my asking price has been set with the Harden and Waiters trades.

In trading Harden, OKC received two first rounders (one from a lackluster Raptors team that was widely viewed as having the potential to land in the lottery, which it eventually did), the Rockets' lottery pick from that year's draft (Jeremy Lamb), a second rounder, and Kevin Martin.  Effectively, OKC traded Harden for three first rounders, one of which was just selected in the lottery and one which had a very good possibility of being in a future lottery, a second rounder, and Kevin Martin.

In trading for Waiters, OKC gave away a mid-late first rounder.

I would assess Jackson's value as being somewhere between Waiters (whom he is currently better than) and Harden (who was better in October 2012 than Jackson currently is).  As such, I'd expect OKC to ask for at least one first rounder, as well as probably a second rounder, and one of the Celtics on a rookie-scale contract.  I'd also expect them to ask for a draft pick for compensation for Nelson's player option.

[RJ87]

I sort of disagree. I thought Rondo would net us more than he did but he did not. If anything, the Celtics could throw in the 2016 Dallas or Cleveland pick instead of the Minny pick and add a second rounder.

Updated trade would be

BOS sends: Nelson, CLE 2016 1st, future 2nd rd pick to OKC
OKC sends: Jackson

Jackson is an expiring contract and the majority of the 30 teams in the NBA already have a quality starting PG. I don't think Jackson will net OKC a lottery pick.

My updated proposal has OKC getting Nelson who can backup Westbrook, the 2016 Cavs pick (most likely between 15-30 next year), and a second round pick. I think that should be plenty to get Jackson. I also think OKC has done a good job of slightly diminishing Jackson's trade value by not declaring him a starter over Lamb or Roberson. OKC is essentially saying Jackson's a backup point guard by stating that they prefer him with their second unit. Other GMs might be able to use that to their advantage.

Jackson will be a restricted free agent this offseason. So yes, he's "expiring" but whatever team acquires him will also get the right to match an offersheet and keep him. It's totally different than Rondo or Love or Dragic.

And as far as him starting, James Harden wasn't a starter when he was in OKC either. That didn't signify that they thought Thabo Sefolosha was a better player, Scott Brooks just seems to really like having a starting guard as his 6th man. I don't think starting has any bearing on value - look at Eric Bledsoe. Stuck behind Cp3 in LA but still managed to show enough in limited time at Phoenix to get himself a $70m contract in restricted free agency.

Glad you mentioned Bledsoe. He was traded from the LAC with Caron Butler & a 2nd round pick for JJ Redick and Jared Dudley. LAC knew Bledsoe had great potential, but essentially settled for talent like Redick so they didn't have to pay E. Bled.

Giving up a 1st round pick, and a veteran that can help your team immediately doesn't sound outrageous IMO. I think any combination of Turner, Nelson, & picks should be enough to entice OKC to trade us Jackson. Forgot for a second that Jackson is a RFA. Although it is an asset in itself to be able to match Jackson's contract, it is still possible we lose him due to a team like NY offering him far more than what Ainge believes he's worth.

With that being said, I believe Jackson could be traded for without having to give up any potential lottery picks, or young players still on rookie deals. If OKC's price for him is too much I say forget about this idea all-together. I'd rather to either trade for Dragic now or wait to see if we have any chance selling him on the team this offseason.

Again, not the same. At the time of the Bledsoe trade, everyone thought LAC was adding 2 starting caliber guys to their roster in JJ Redick and Jared Dudley. No one foresaw Jared struggling as much as he did, but JJ has been really good for them - averaging 15ppg in his 2 seasons and shooting 40% from 3. Nelson - nor Turner - are that good. The last time Turner was on a playoff team in Indy, he fell out of the rotation. Nelson hasnt faired much better has his play has significantly regressed from his early Orlando days. So what you're essentially offering for Jackson is a mid to late 20's pick, a 2nd and a borderline rotation player.

They can do better.

[CsBanner18]

If I'm OKC, I would approach any trade negotiations for Jackson with the viewpoint that my asking price has been set with the Harden and Waiters trades.

In trading Harden, OKC received two first rounders (one from a lackluster Raptors team that was widely viewed as having the potential to land in the lottery, which it eventually did), the Rockets' lottery pick from that year's draft (Jeremy Lamb), a second rounder, and Kevin Martin.  Effectively, OKC traded Harden for three first rounders, one of which was just selected in the lottery and one which had a very good possibility of being in a future lottery, a second rounder, and Kevin Martin.

In trading for Waiters, OKC gave away a mid-late first rounder.

I would assess Jackson's value as being somewhere between Waiters (whom he is currently better than) and Harden (who was better in October 2012 than Jackson currently is).  As such, I'd expect OKC to ask for at least one first rounder, as well as probably a second rounder, and one of the Celtics on a rookie-scale contract.  I'd also expect them to ask for a draft pick for compensation for Nelson's player option.

If by player on a rookie scale contract you mean Pressey then fine...If you mean Sully, Olynyk, Young, Smart, or even Crowder then absolutely not. Already giving up a mid to late 1st, a second and a replacement at pg. No chance we give up those players (maybe not so much Crowder) and all those picks to acquire Jackson.

[hondobird33]

The benefit of Danny making all the trades (and the BKN deal in particular) is that we can overpay in terms of draft picks.  He should not try to "win" every trade when he is acquiring assets he wants.  In this case if he wants to get Reggie Jackson then over a little better than the value. 

The key is not to use your assets on the future number 2 and number 3 best players on your team so it's best to trade or sign & trade, or sign as a FA your NUMBER 1 star.  This big question is who that will be?   

[CsBanner18]

I sort of disagree. I thought Rondo would net us more than he did but he did not. If anything, the Celtics could throw in the 2016 Dallas or Cleveland pick instead of the Minny pick and add a second rounder.

Updated trade would be

BOS sends: Nelson, CLE 2016 1st, future 2nd rd pick to OKC
OKC sends: Jackson

Jackson is an expiring contract and the majority of the 30 teams in the NBA already have a quality starting PG. I don't think Jackson will net OKC a lottery pick.

My updated proposal has OKC getting Nelson who can backup Westbrook, the 2016 Cavs pick (most likely between 15-30 next year), and a second round pick. I think that should be plenty to get Jackson. I also think OKC has done a good job of slightly diminishing Jackson's trade value by not declaring him a starter over Lamb or Roberson. OKC is essentially saying Jackson's a backup point guard by stating that they prefer him with their second unit. Other GMs might be able to use that to their advantage.

Jackson will be a restricted free agent this offseason. So yes, he's "expiring" but whatever team acquires him will also get the right to match an offersheet and keep him. It's totally different than Rondo or Love or Dragic.

And as far as him starting, James Harden wasn't a starter when he was in OKC either. That didn't signify that they thought Thabo Sefolosha was a better player, Scott Brooks just seems to really like having a starting guard as his 6th man. I don't think starting has any bearing on value - look at Eric Bledsoe. Stuck behind Cp3 in LA but still managed to show enough in limited time at Phoenix to get himself a $70m contract in restricted free agency.

Glad you mentioned Bledsoe. He was traded from the LAC with Caron Butler & a 2nd round pick for JJ Redick and Jared Dudley. LAC knew Bledsoe had great potential, but essentially settled for talent like Redick so they didn't have to pay E. Bled.

Giving up a 1st round pick, and a veteran that can help your team immediately doesn't sound outrageous IMO. I think any combination of Turner, Nelson, & picks should be enough to entice OKC to trade us Jackson. Forgot for a second that Jackson is a RFA. Although it is an asset in itself to be able to match Jackson's contract, it is still possible we lose him due to a team like NY offering him far more than what Ainge believes he's worth.

With that being said, I believe Jackson could be traded for without having to give up any potential lottery picks, or young players still on rookie deals. If OKC's price for him is too much I say forget about this idea all-together. I'd rather to either trade for Dragic now or wait to see if we have any chance selling him on the team this offseason.

Again, not the same. At the time of the Bledsoe trade, everyone thought LAC was adding 2 starting caliber guys to their roster in JJ Redick and Jared Dudley. No one foresaw Jared struggling as much as he did, but JJ has been really good for them - averaging 15ppg in his 2 seasons and shooting 40% from 3. Nelson - nor Turner - are that good. The last time Turner was on a playoff team in Indy, he fell out of the rotation. Nelson hasnt faired much better has his play has significantly regressed from his early Orlando days. So what you're essentially offering for Jackson is a mid to late 20's pick, a 2nd and a borderline rotation player.

They can do better.

I'd like to see them do better then. A mid to late 1st rounder, a second rounder, and a veteran backup PG should be enough. Turner is proving he can hit the midrange jumper and also make plays. I think his stay in INDY is an unfair judgment. Through his play this year (coming off the bench and starting) I believe he has shown he can contribute to any contender; especially considering his low salary. Not willing to over pay for Jackson. I'd rather see how it plays out in the offseason.

[aporel#18]

Like the Bass to Portland and Prince to Toronto trades.

Don't like the OKC trade, we have Avery Bryant to chuck the ball, don't need Reggie Jackson.

Hate the other Toronto trade... Psycho-Bum shouldn't be near a Celtic jersey unless is to play against them.

I think Bass+Thornton to New Orleans for Eric Gordon and their 2017 pick could work better for the Cs.

Then, I'd do the Prince to Toronto trade, and try to get a TPE for Nelson. 4 players out, 2 in to make some room (3 free spots) for waived guys or NBDL/overseas prospects.

Roster:

Turner/Smart/Pressey
Bradley/Gordon/Young
Crowder/Wallace/Fields
Sully/Kelly/Prospect
Zeller/Prospect/Prospect

Tankalicious, but at the same time, our three young bigs would get lots of minutes to develop, and in a year, both Eric Gordon and Gerald Wallace would be valuable trade assets.

[CsBanner18]

Like the Bass to Portland and Prince to Toronto trades.

Don't like the OKC trade, we have Avery Bryant to chuck the ball, don't need Reggie Jackson.

Hate the other Toronto trade... Psycho-Bum shouldn't be near a Celtic jersey unless is to play against them.

I think Bass+Thornton to New Orleans for Eric Gordon and their 2017 pick could work better for the Cs.

Then, I'd do the Prince to Toronto trade, and try to get a TPE for Nelson. 4 players out, 2 in to make some room (3 free spots) for waived guys or NBDL/overseas prospects.

Roster:

Turner/Smart/Pressey
Bradley/Gordon/Young
Crowder/Wallace/Fields
Sully/Kelly/Prospect
Zeller/Prospect/Prospect

Tankalicious, but at the same time, our three young bigs would get lots of minutes to develop, and in a year, both Eric Gordon and Gerald Wallace would be valuable trade assets.

That 2017 pick would have to be heavily protected and eventually turn into 2 second rounders. The Pelicans would be silly to give up an unprotected 1st round pick to gain cap space. They could just use the stretch provision and keep their pick if they're that desperate to gain the cap space. If the pick turns into two seconds the NOP would probably do it since it allows them to sign a free agent in the offseason.

[RJ87]

Again, not the same. At the time of the Bledsoe trade, everyone thought LAC was adding 2 starting caliber guys to their roster in JJ Redick and Jared Dudley. No one foresaw Jared struggling as much as he did, but JJ has been really good for them - averaging 15ppg in his 2 seasons and shooting 40% from 3. Nelson - nor Turner - are that good. The last time Turner was on a playoff team in Indy, he fell out of the rotation. Nelson hasnt faired much better has his play has significantly regressed from his early Orlando days. So what you're essentially offering for Jackson is a mid to late 20's pick, a 2nd and a borderline rotation player.

They can do better.

I'd like to see them do better then. A mid to late 1st rounder, a second rounder, and a veteran backup PG should be enough. Turner is proving he can hit the midrange jumper and also make plays. I think his stay in INDY is an unfair judgment. Through his play this year (coming off the bench and starting) I believe he has shown he can contribute to any contender; especially considering his low salary. Not willing to over pay for Jackson. I'd rather see how it plays out in the offseason.

I'm not just basing a judgement of Turner's ability on Indy. Most of his good points came when Philly struggled. He got a chance to prove he can do on it a contender, and couldn't. I don't think anything he's done this year for a lottery bound Celtics team makes him anymore appealing than he was this past offseason where numerous contenders could've signed him for a portion of the MLE. He has next to no value; a classic "good stats on a bad team" guy.

You keep saying Nelson is a veteran back up PG - I think his stint earlier Dallas this season showed he can't be counted on to make an impact for a team looking to make noise in the postseason. He's more of a 3rd string PG at this point in his career - oddly enough I think he'd work in OKC behind Westbrook AND Jackson as a super-"in case of emergency" PG. Not someone you're consistently giving 20 mins to a night.

You don't have to overpay to get Jackson, but you're not going to get him for a low ball offer either.

[aporel#18]

Like the Bass to Portland and Prince to Toronto trades.

Don't like the OKC trade, we have Avery Bryant to chuck the ball, don't need Reggie Jackson.

Hate the other Toronto trade... Psycho-Bum shouldn't be near a Celtic jersey unless is to play against them.

I think Bass+Thornton to New Orleans for Eric Gordon and their 2017 pick could work better for the Cs.

Then, I'd do the Prince to Toronto trade, and try to get a TPE for Nelson. 4 players out, 2 in to make some room (3 free spots) for waived guys or NBDL/overseas prospects.

Roster:

Turner/Smart/Pressey
Bradley/Gordon/Young
Crowder/Wallace/Fields
Sully/Kelly/Prospect
Zeller/Prospect/Prospect

Tankalicious, but at the same time, our three young bigs would get lots of minutes to develop, and in a year, both Eric Gordon and Gerald Wallace would be valuable trade assets.

That 2017 pick would have to be heavily protected and eventually turn into 2 second rounders. The Pelicans would be silly to give up an unprotected 1st round pick to gain cap space. They could just use the stretch provision and keep their pick if they're that desperate to gain the cap space. If the pick turns into two seconds the NOP would probably do it since it allows them to sign a free agent in the offseason.

that 2017 pick might be protected, but not that heavily. It's not like NOP wouldn't be getting better production aside from financial flexibility. Right now Thornton is a more reliable (albeit streaky shooter) player than Gordon, who will be fortunate to play out his current contract on a 20-24 mpg basis. And Bass would be great addition for them off the bench, he can play on both ends. And the greatest thing is Bass and Thornton are local guys.

Celtics would be getting a future expiring contract, in the Theo Ratliff tradition, Gordon isn't durable and might be a 3rd/4th guard off the bench in limited minutes because of his fragility.

[Endless Paradise]

If I'm OKC, I would approach any trade negotiations for Jackson with the viewpoint that my asking price has been set with the Harden and Waiters trades.

In trading Harden, OKC received two first rounders (one from a lackluster Raptors team that was widely viewed as having the potential to land in the lottery, which it eventually did), the Rockets' lottery pick from that year's draft (Jeremy Lamb), a second rounder, and Kevin Martin.  Effectively, OKC traded Harden for three first rounders, one of which was just selected in the lottery and one which had a very good possibility of being in a future lottery, a second rounder, and Kevin Martin.

In trading for Waiters, OKC gave away a mid-late first rounder.

I would assess Jackson's value as being somewhere between Waiters (whom he is currently better than) and Harden (who was better in October 2012 than Jackson currently is).  As such, I'd expect OKC to ask for at least one first rounder, as well as probably a second rounder, and one of the Celtics on a rookie-scale contract.  I'd also expect them to ask for a draft pick for compensation for Nelson's player option.

If by player on a rookie scale contract you mean Pressey then fine...If you mean Sully, Olynyk, Young, Smart, or even Crowder then absolutely not. Already giving up a mid to late 1st, a second and a replacement at pg. No chance we give up those players (maybe not so much Crowder) and all those picks to acquire Jackson.

Well, unfortunately, that's likely to be the realistic price for acquiring him, as RJ87 noted.

[aporel#18]

that 2017 pick might be protected, but not that heavily. It's not like NOP wouldn't be getting better production aside from financial flexibility. Right now Thornton is a more reliable (albeit streaky shooter) player than Gordon, who will be fortunate to play out his current contract on a 20-24 mpg basis. And Bass would be great addition for them off the bench, he can play on both ends. And the greatest thing is Bass and Thornton are local guys.

Celtics would be getting a future expiring contract, in the Theo Ratliff tradition, Gordon isn't durable and might be a 3rd/4th guard off the bench in limited minutes because of his fragility.

watching Gordon and Davis in the Garden, I tend to think the Pelicans should add a 2nd rounder if they want protection for a pick that's going to be in the late 20s, given how good is Davis and how much he is going to improve yet.