Please Trade Sully!

[Asher77]

If Sully played like he did last night regularly...

I am on the trade Sully list atm but would only do so for a return that got us better than a mid level 1st. We would need to use him to upgrade current talent on the roster such as the Al Jeff trade.

Sully has a list of positives that can not be ignored. The negative for me has been the lack of desire and effort in too many games.

Like Rondo I see Sully has the ability to turn it on when he wishes, like last night it was either the idea of showing Davis up or the fact he could smell a win.

I just don't like guys ( Jeff Green ) who fluctuate there intensity from game to game. Sometimes you have bad games but the effort needs to be consistent as this influences the whole team.

At 22 he may mature and become a beast who brings it every night. In that case he is a keeper but we wait to see it.

[Rosco917]

I'm on the fence with Sully, when you talk about trading him. I feel he's 20lb. away from being called real good.
He has faults, but he has a good basketball skill set for his position. Mark my words next year he will loose weight, it's getting near new contract time. 

But i have come to the realization that keeping both Kelly and Sully, both with defensive short comings, is not a good thing. I like a team to have at least one defensive minded power forward. Considering their generally the second tallest player on the floor, a shot blocking PF is a nice asset.
Especially when your team is getting attacked in the paint, and you need to put a stop to it. 

[Asher77]

In a complete rebuild like the Celtics have all guys are trade able unless they show on the court that they are beyond replacement. Most guys will be given enough time on the court to show themselves.

As we have seen in the past even the worst scrubs will put up some numbers if given the min and this creates assets for the team to use in trade ( JC last year ). If the player builds value but not enough to be in our long term plans we need to move them quick. ( player flipping )

Crowder as example is showing well when given min. If he plays some more games like this before the deadline or into the off season we may get a good return on our investment. To me he looks like a keeper based on his daily effort.

Young guys like Sully, Smart, KO. These guys can not be expected to show on the court all they are capable of because rookies take time to manifest. What they can show is in practice and behind the scenes the daily effort to get better and be good team mates.

Sully needs to be judged on who he is as a person ( I am in no place to make that call ) and since we are rebuilding we need to move him if he is found lacking. The inconsistency and attitude displayed in some games has made me feel he is replaceable.

[kozlodoev]

In a complete rebuild like the Celtics have all guys are trade able unless they show on the court that they are beyond replacement.

And how is that different when you're NOT in a complete rebuild?

[Chris22]

No need to trade Sullinger.

He's young and good and cheap.

[Asher77]

In a complete rebuild like the Celtics have all guys are trade able unless they show on the court that they are beyond replacement.

And how is that different when you're NOT in a complete rebuild?

When you have a team that is winning you need to allow the chemistry to settle. You will never have 10 perfect players and there will always be warts.

Just like your friends in life the group will be a mixed bunch but the chemistry for them to go to war together will work and they will fight for each other.

Making too many trades upsets the locker room dynamic and effects morale. Just because you think a player on another team has a tad more talent than one on yours the net effect of the trade may be a negative in the win column.

In full rebuild mode you have no real team morale to worry about. Players are being judged more individually. As a core develops you will reach a balancing point where winning is on the horizon and chemistry and consistency of roster become more in focus.

So trade them while you can and hasten the day when we do settle on some consistency.

[Asher77]

I feel that a team needs an identity built upon the team leader. If Smart develops into that leader and he is showing signs ( he has been huddling guys up and being very vocal on the court ) then that is a mindset built on hustle and defense. Crowder appears to fit the mold.

Each piece you settle on makes the GM job easier to fill in the holes around those players.
It shines a brighter spotlight on KO, Sully, ect.. in understanding how they fit into that structure.

I think we need a big man counterpart to Smart that shares a similar mindset and that guy is not yet on the team. We must draft or trade whoever it takes to find that player.

[LooseCannon]

Sullinger just feels like the kind of guy who is going to get fat(ter) once you hand him a big contract.  I wouldn't trade him just to get rid of him, but I'd be looking to sell high while he is still on his rookie deal and see if I can package him in a deal for a better player.

[kozlodoev]

In a complete rebuild like the Celtics have all guys are trade able unless they show on the court that they are beyond replacement.

And how is that different when you're NOT in a complete rebuild?

When you have a team that is winning you need to allow the chemistry to settle. You will never have 10 perfect players and there will always be warts.

Just like your friends in life the group will be a mixed bunch but the chemistry for them to go to war together will work and they will fight for each other.

Making too many trades upsets the locker room dynamic and effects morale. Just because you think a player on another team has a tad more talent than one on yours the net effect of the trade may be a negative in the win column.

In full rebuild mode you have no real team morale to worry about. Players are being judged more individually. As a core develops you will reach a balancing point where winning is on the horizon and chemistry and consistency of roster become more in focus.

So trade them while you can and hasten the day when we do settle on some consistency.

This doesn't make any sense. "Perfect" players do not exist -- and if your criterion for being "above replacement" is to be a perfect player, then your argument is dead at conception.

The truth is that every time teams could upgrade they would -- rebuilding or not. It's just that when you're not a rebuilding team, it is -- by definition -- harder to upgrade since you will supposedly have better players. That's why you'll see fewer trades. The rest is hogwash.

[Asher77]

My post said that you will never have perfect players as I agree they don't exist.

I also agree that you need less trades as there are less positions in need of ( or options too ) upgrade available when you are a winning team.

The "Hogwash" statement I don't agree with as the best teams will run the same starting 5 for multiple seasons for a reason. Teams get better with practice, consistency, stability, ect..

Have to run but will respond more later.

[Celtics4ever]

Sully played good last night, too bad he won't be as up for every game as this one.   Was it the OSU game or formerly playing Davis.

[Old Wine]

Expect the butterball at 325 lbs. next year. Now is the time to get something for him. We are wasting time and shaving precious minutes from developing KO.

[jambr380]

Sullinger just feels like the kind of guy who is going to get fat(ter) once you hand him a big contract.  I wouldn't trade him just to get rid of him, but I'd be looking to sell high while he is still on his rookie deal and see if I can package him in a deal for a better player.

TP and succinctly put. Sully certainly knows how to play the game of basketball, but so did Oliver Miller. He seems to me like one of those guys you talk to at the gym who thinks he will lose his strength if he uses the elliptical and sheds some weight, but in your mind you're like, "dude, you could lose 50lbs easy and still bench the exact same thing."

It just seems like such a waste of talent. Unless somebody truly convinces Sully that losing weight will help rather than hurt, then he is never going to take it seriously.

[Rondo9]

Sullinger just feels like the kind of guy who is going to get fat(ter) once you hand him a big contract.  I wouldn't trade him just to get rid of him, but I'd be looking to sell high while he is still on his rookie deal and see if I can package him in a deal for a better player.

TP and succinctly put. Sully certainly knows how to play the game of basketball, but so did Oliver Miller. He seems to me like one of those guys you talk to at the gym who thinks he will lose his strength if he uses the elliptical and sheds some weight, but in your mind you're like, "dude, you could lose 50lbs easy and still bench the exact same thing."

It just seems like such a waste of talent. Unless somebody truly convinces Sully that losing weight will help rather than hurt, then he is never going to take it seriously.

Sullinger is not Oliver Miller.

[spikelovetheCelts]

Sully is progressing just nicely. His dad won't let him be a lazy. I think he is committed he did not look winded last night.