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Re: Rajon Rondo shows Boston
« Reply #60 on: January 02, 2015, 10:41:26 PM »

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If he played like that every night we wouldn't have.
But we would have had arguments about whether he was worth a max contract.

Maybe give him actual NBA players for teammates and he would have.

Yeah, because other great point guards (Chris Paul, Derrick Rose, etc.) showed that they needed star teammates to thrive, too.
Um. Yeah.

2008 Chris Paul
Did he lead a team to a ring or something that year? Did he lead the league in assists and his position at rebs?

No, he just almost single-handedly carried them into the Western semi-finals with not much help. You know, the stuff that superstar players do.

Single handedly?  David West and Tyson Chandler have something to say about that.

Forgot about West, but Chandler wasn't "prime Chandler" yet.

You're right. He just averaged 12 and 12 that season with stellar defense.

Forgot Peja Stojakovic, who was decent that year.

This might be a little stretch but Bonzi Wells played for the Hornets that year too.

A little bit. Bonzi wasnt really a big contributor that year. Peja wasnt SacTo Peja, but still dropped 16 per game, so you can say he's a chunk of that core.

Alright, my bad. I have to be mixed up somewhere on this. I know Paul was incredible that playoffs, but there was another point guard in the last decade or so that had a ridiculously talent-depleted team that carried them the whole post-season. Anyone know who I'm remembering? I could've swore it was Paul on the Hornets.
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Re: Rajon Rondo shows Boston
« Reply #61 on: January 02, 2015, 10:46:16 PM »

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'you really shouldn't have traded me'.
Is that what he showed us?  I thought he showed us that he needs superstars around him to be effective.  Either that or he showed us that he intentionally dogged it for two seasons.  Either that or he showed us the last 9 years of his career where he shot 25% from three were a lie... he could just instantly transform himself into a 38% three point shooter at any time, but was choosing not to do it, just cuz neener neener.    Either that or he was showing us that Ainge was right to move him... he's a bipolar spiteful player who becomes disengaged when things aren't going his way... it lends credence to the idea that he mailed in practices and was a poor leader. 

Thing is, even if you think Rondo is a superstah, tonight should just give you more reason to support that trade.   Rondo clearly wasn't staying here.  He clearly wasn't happy here (otherwise he would have played like that for us).   He would have left us empty handed.   Better to get something than nothing.

What's your rebuttal?  That he would have stayed?  That he loved Boston?  Great... deal still had to be done.  If he loves Boston so much, he can sign with us this offseason.  Oh, wait... you mean to say he will only sign with a team that holds his bird rights, because it gives him the most money?  Oh... so there's no budging from his "max money" requirement?  Well in that case, Boston was very clearly not willing to pay a player of his caliber max money... so the deal still made sense.

I still have doubts the Rondo experiment will work that well in Dallas.  I don't see a lot of evidence supporting they are better.  A win against the Celtics doesn't prove anything... they beat us earlier this year and beat us in both games last year.  They would have beat us either with or without Rondo.   But hey, if the Rondo experiment DOES work in Dallas, good for them.  He's the 4th or 5th best player there.  When he was the 4th best player in Boston, we won a title.    I wasn't seeing the Celtics landing 3 better players than Rondo anytime soon.  He had to go.

Tell ya what... if Rondo continues to shoot like this for the rest of the season (suddenly going from 25% three point shooter to 40% world beater in Dallas), I'll be first in line to scream "SIGN RONDO!" this summer.    I don't see how our position will be any different.  Thanks to the move, we'll have a few addition assets to help lure in talent to surround Rondo with.   

If you genuinely believe Rondo would have signed here this summer, I don't see why you wouldn't believe he'll sign here this summer now.   Dirk isn't getting any younger.  We have the cap space.  We have the picks and talent.   We can't offer him a max MAX deal using bird rights, but we can offer him a deal making like 17 mil a year. 

The fans still clearly love him.  If he loves Boston as much as you all want to believe, I don't see what the problem is... he'll come back, right?

Trade still made sense.  Had to do it.  We weren't winning a title this year.   Let's bottom out, get a top pick, collect some more assets, bring Rondo back this summer and regroup.

Are you asking Rondo to pull a LeBron?

Re: Rajon Rondo shows Boston
« Reply #62 on: January 02, 2015, 10:48:27 PM »

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Re: Rajon Rondo shows Boston
« Reply #63 on: January 02, 2015, 10:48:27 PM »

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'you really shouldn't have traded me'.
Is that what he showed us?  I thought he showed us that he needs superstars around him to be effective.  Either that or he showed us that he intentionally dogged it for two seasons.  Either that or he showed us the last 9 years of his career where he shot 25% from three were a lie... he could just instantly transform himself into a 38% three point shooter at any time, but was choosing not to do it, just cuz neener neener.    Either that or he was showing us that Ainge was right to move him... he's a bipolar spiteful player who becomes disengaged when things aren't going his way... it lends credence to the idea that he mailed in practices and was a poor leader. 

Thing is, even if you think Rondo is a superstah, tonight should just give you more reason to support that trade.   Rondo clearly wasn't staying here.  He clearly wasn't happy here (otherwise he would have played like that for us).   He would have left us empty handed.   Better to get something than nothing.

What's your rebuttal?  That he would have stayed?  That he loved Boston?  Great... deal still had to be done.  If he loves Boston so much, he can sign with us this offseason.  Oh, wait... you mean to say he will only sign with a team that holds his bird rights, because it gives him the most money?  Oh... so there's no budging from his "max money" requirement?  Well in that case, Boston was very clearly not willing to pay a player of his caliber max money... so the deal still made sense.

I still have doubts the Rondo experiment will work that well in Dallas.  I don't see a lot of evidence supporting they are better.  A win against the Celtics doesn't prove anything... they beat us earlier this year and beat us in both games last year.  They would have beat us either with or without Rondo.   But hey, if the Rondo experiment DOES work in Dallas, good for them.  He's the 4th or 5th best player there.  When he was the 4th best player in Boston, we won a title.    I wasn't seeing the Celtics landing 3 better players than Rondo anytime soon.  He had to go.

Tell ya what... if Rondo continues to shoot like this for the rest of the season (suddenly going from 25% three point shooter to 40% world beater in Dallas), I'll be first in line to scream "SIGN RONDO!" this summer.    I don't see how our position will be any different.  Thanks to the move, we'll have a few addition assets to help lure in talent to surround Rondo with.   

If you genuinely believe Rondo would have signed here this summer, I don't see why you wouldn't believe he'll sign here this summer now.   Dirk isn't getting any younger.  We have the cap space.  We have the picks and talent.   We can't offer him a max MAX deal using bird rights, but we can offer him a deal making like 17 mil a year. 

The fans still clearly love him.  If he loves Boston as much as you all want to believe, I don't see what the problem is... he'll come back, right?

Trade still made sense.  Had to do it.  We weren't winning a title this year.   Let's bottom out, get a top pick, collect some more assets, bring Rondo back this summer and regroup.

So your Girlfriend leaves you for a next guy, then you win the lottery and she wants you back and you are going to go back?
Ainge traded Rondo and he should go back to the Celtics? (Although I would love that, I dont see that happening).
It is funny, Rondo saying he doesn't want to be traded and you don't believe that but when he says he didnt play defense the pass few years you believe him... hmm choosing what to believe I see.

For every game the Mavericks have won you make some silly excuses.

1. "A win against the celtics doesn't prove anything".
2. "Playing Spurs C team".
3. "Wizards were on a back to back".
4. "OKC didn't have durant".

Keep the excuses coming Sir.

For your information, Celtics WITH Rondo played a very close game AT Mavericks and lost by 5. Celtics without Rondo AT home lost by 18 points. Hmm seems obvious to me that the Mavericks are better and the Celtics are worse.

Excuse number 5 will be:
"The Cavs are playing without lebron"

Excuse 6 will be:
"A win against the Nets doesn't prove anything"

and so on and on.
Blaze... I didn't make an excuse for the mavs beating the wizs.  That was a nice win.   They are 5-2 since the trade... They were 19-8 before the trade.  I said Rondo didn't move the needle much for them... I never expected them to suddenly be a bad team. 

And I doubt Rondo is someone who will be resentful against Ainge for sending him to Dallas for a half season.  He wasn't winning a title here this year.  We did him a favor.  If you believed we were the frontrunners to sign him prior to the trade, there's no reason to believe we aren't frontrunners now.  What's changed?  Same team, same coach, same ownership, slightly more assets, slightly better pick after we bottom out.   If anything, we improved our ability to get him back to Boston this summer.

Just a few pointers from my point of view:

1. Did I think Rondo was going to stay in Boston? not sure, depends on what would happen in the offseason, I am leaning more to he would have left.
2. Do I think Rondo has been slacking on defense while with the Celtics? Sure.

I honestly think for the Celtics it was a "good" trade. Meaning, I think Rondo would have left so atleast we got something. However I just have a problem with persons like yourself saying the Rondo addition to the Mavs have not move the needle much. I have read your points on why you think so but I think they make no sense.

You said Rondo has caused less spacing for the Mavs, yet you fail to realize that Nelson is shooting 35% for the season. I doubt the spacing was better with Jameer vs Rondo. You remain adamant that you don't think the Mavs has improved although the results after each Mavs game seem to be going against what you say. Results > your thoughts.

Mavs star player, Dirk has been shooting horribly the past few games, missing wide open shots yet still the Mavs are winning. What will happen when Dirk comes out of his slump?

I am sure the team chemistry is not 100% and probably will not be till about March.

Re: Rajon Rondo shows Boston
« Reply #64 on: January 02, 2015, 10:48:43 PM »

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Rondo is play n good cause he has to....pressure on...he is trying...it matters to him if he makes a shot now.  If he screwed up play n for C's.so what ..in his mind it's the stupid Celtics......I don't need to work.....stealing is what I call it.

Rondo is playing for his life now...his next contract ...his star peers ......it's all on the line every night
At his new gig.

that really bites how little effort he gave the loyal fans

There was nothing wrong with him.....just coasting and not giving a monkey's behind about his team or fans .....DA was sick of it and got shed of him the first half decent offer.

Re: Rajon Rondo shows Boston
« Reply #65 on: January 02, 2015, 10:51:13 PM »

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I like Rondo, but I supported the trade because he was no longer a fit in Boston.

Right now, though, I'm a little steamed.

19 shots? It took Rondo 5 games to shoot that many times with Boston this season. And 5 threes? 29 points? Where was that effort all season in Boston?
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Re: Rajon Rondo shows Boston
« Reply #66 on: January 02, 2015, 10:53:38 PM »

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Re: Rajon Rondo shows Boston
« Reply #67 on: January 02, 2015, 10:54:46 PM »

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If he played like that every night we wouldn't have.
But we would have had arguments about whether he was worth a max contract.

Maybe give him actual NBA players for teammates and he would have.

Yeah, because other great point guards (Chris Paul, Derrick Rose, etc.) showed that they needed star teammates to thrive, too.
Um. Yeah.

2008 Chris Paul
Did he lead a team to a ring or something that year? Did he lead the league in assists and his position at rebs?

No, he just almost single-handedly carried them into the Western semi-finals with not much help. You know, the stuff that superstar players do.

Single handedly?  David West and Tyson Chandler have something to say about that.

Forgot about West, but Chandler wasn't "prime Chandler" yet.

You're right. He just averaged 12 and 12 that season with stellar defense.

Forgot Peja Stojakovic, who was decent that year.

This might be a little stretch but Bonzi Wells played for the Hornets that year too.

A little bit. Bonzi wasnt really a big contributor that year. Peja wasnt SacTo Peja, but still dropped 16 per game, so you can say he's a chunk of that core.

Alright, my bad. I have to be mixed up somewhere on this. I know Paul was incredible that playoffs, but there was another point guard in the last decade or so that had a ridiculously talent-depleted team that carried them the whole post-season. Anyone know who I'm remembering? I could've swore it was Paul on the Hornets.

I can argue that Dwill's Jazz is just as "talent-depleted" as the 2008 Hornets. They already said it. A team with Tyson Chandler, Peja Stojakovic and David West is far from depleted.

If you are looking for a point guard that took his team deep in the playoffs with limited talent, his name is Jason Kidd.

Re: Rajon Rondo shows Boston
« Reply #68 on: January 02, 2015, 10:55:33 PM »

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He was beyond awesome. So glad I was there to see #9 at his best.

Re: Rajon Rondo shows Boston
« Reply #69 on: January 02, 2015, 10:56:14 PM »

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'you really shouldn't have traded me'.
Is that what he showed us?  I thought he showed us that he needs superstars around him to be effective.  Either that or he showed us that he intentionally dogged it for two seasons.  Either that or he showed us the last 9 years of his career where he shot 25% from three were a lie... he could just instantly transform himself into a 38% three point shooter at any time, but was choosing not to do it, just cuz neener neener.    Either that or he was showing us that Ainge was right to move him... he's a bipolar spiteful player who becomes disengaged when things aren't going his way... it lends credence to the idea that he mailed in practices and was a poor leader. 

Thing is, even if you think Rondo is a superstah, tonight should just give you more reason to support that trade.   Rondo clearly wasn't staying here.  He clearly wasn't happy here (otherwise he would have played like that for us).   He would have left us empty handed.   Better to get something than nothing.

What's your rebuttal?  That he would have stayed?  That he loved Boston?  Great... deal still had to be done.  If he loves Boston so much, he can sign with us this offseason.  Oh, wait... you mean to say he will only sign with a team that holds his bird rights, because it gives him the most money?  Oh... so there's no budging from his "max money" requirement?  Well in that case, Boston was very clearly not willing to pay a player of his caliber max money... so the deal still made sense.

I still have doubts the Rondo experiment will work that well in Dallas.  I don't see a lot of evidence supporting they are better.  A win against the Celtics doesn't prove anything... they beat us earlier this year and beat us in both games last year.  They would have beat us either with or without Rondo.   But hey, if the Rondo experiment DOES work in Dallas, good for them.  He's the 4th or 5th best player there.  When he was the 4th best player in Boston, we won a title.    I wasn't seeing the Celtics landing 3 better players than Rondo anytime soon.  He had to go.

Funny. He was by far the best player on the court tonight.

Re: Rajon Rondo shows Boston
« Reply #70 on: January 02, 2015, 10:57:07 PM »

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If he played like that every night we wouldn't have.
But we would have had arguments about whether he was worth a max contract.

Maybe give him actual NBA players for teammates and he would have.

Yeah, because other great point guards (Chris Paul, Derrick Rose, etc.) showed that they needed star teammates to thrive, too.
Um. Yeah.

2008 Chris Paul
Did he lead a team to a ring or something that year? Did he lead the league in assists and his position at rebs?

No, he just almost single-handedly carried them into the Western semi-finals with not much help. You know, the stuff that superstar players do.

Single handedly?  David West and Tyson Chandler have something to say about that.

Forgot about West, but Chandler wasn't "prime Chandler" yet.

You're right. He just averaged 12 and 12 that season with stellar defense.

Forgot Peja Stojakovic, who was decent that year.

This might be a little stretch but Bonzi Wells played for the Hornets that year too.

A little bit. Bonzi wasnt really a big contributor that year. Peja wasnt SacTo Peja, but still dropped 16 per game, so you can say he's a chunk of that core.

Alright, my bad. I have to be mixed up somewhere on this. I know Paul was incredible that playoffs, but there was another point guard in the last decade or so that had a ridiculously talent-depleted team that carried them the whole post-season. Anyone know who I'm remembering? I could've swore it was Paul on the Hornets.

I can argue that Dwill's Jazz is just as "talent-depleted" as the 2008 Hornets. They already said it. A team with Tyson Chandler, Peja Stojakovic and David West is far from depleted.

If you are looking for a point guard that took his team deep in the playoffs with limited talent, his name is Jason Kidd.

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Re: Rajon Rondo shows Boston
« Reply #71 on: January 02, 2015, 10:58:31 PM »

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I like Rondo, but I supported the trade because he was no longer a fit in Boston.

Right now, though, I'm a little steamed.

19 shots? It took Rondo 5 games to shoot that many times with Boston this season. And 5 threes? 29 points? Where was that effort all season in Boston?

This exactly. Where was all of this motivation, aggressiveness, and effort while he was in Boston the last several years?
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Re: Rajon Rondo shows Boston
« Reply #72 on: January 02, 2015, 10:59:30 PM »

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Ridiculous.

He averaged 8.3 points, 7.5 rebounds, 10.8 assists, and 1.7 steals while in Boston.  The team had a record of 9 and 14 when he left, a record that many felt represented an overachievement.

Now, all I'm reading is that he was completely checked out and wasn't trying at all in his last stint with the Cs.

Ridiculous.  Considering every thing he's gone through over the course of the last two plus seasons, Rajon Rondo showed his professionalism until the end.

He deserves a little more respect from Celtics fans.

Some of the vitriol hurled at him is shameful, in my opinion. 
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Re: Rajon Rondo shows Boston
« Reply #73 on: January 02, 2015, 11:02:16 PM »

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Re: Rajon Rondo shows Boston
« Reply #74 on: January 02, 2015, 11:03:39 PM »

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Ridiculous.

He averaged 8.3 points, 7.5 rebounds, 10.8 assists, and 1.7 steals while in Boston.  The team had a record of 9 and 14 when he left, a record that many felt represented an overachievement.

Now, all I'm reading is that he was completely checked out and wasn't trying at all in his last stint with the Cs.

Ridiculous.  Considering every thing he's gone through over the course of the last two plus seasons, Rajon Rondo showed his professionalism until the end.

He deserves a little more respect from Celtics fans.

Some of the vitriol hurled at him is shameful, in my opinion.

Really, so he didn't routinely take both plays and games off? He mostly gave it his all out there on both sides of the ball all of this year?
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