Lack of Reaction From Teammates to Smart Getting Tossed is Disappointing

[Meadowlark_Scal]

So when RONDO did it..everyone was all over him......now that smart does something similar...people think it is GREAT......odd....Rondo stood up for his team mate.....as a true CELTIC would.....Red would like that..!!!

[KingofDaPlayazBall]

Funny how we label Cousins an ****, then want other guys to step in and play macho when the play is over. Sure, lets thug it up and puff our chests for no other reason than to a make a "statement".  Smart got up and made his point. No one is going to keep doing that because we are soft...thats just ridiculous.

Playing tough is bumping people off screens, boxing out hard, taking charges and battling for loose balls and 50-50 balls.

The rest is the  fake toughness, stares, chest thumping, trash talking bull**** that looks like you are making up for a lack of ACTUAL toughness.

If all that "stare, chest thumping, trash talking BS"  are fake toughness, then name me one player that does all of that but is not actually tough.  KG does it, Paul Pierce does it, Perkins does it, Jordan does it, and Larry Bird does it.  They are all fake tough guys?  Players does those things to force the mean streak out of them, if you are a scared punk you wouldnt be able to do those things.

[P stoff]

The need for an enforcer is a thing of the past. Who is was the enforcer on the Heat? The Spurs? The last two years Finals was the best pure basketball in 20 years...no cheap shots or thug behavior...just two teams playing hard. No fake scowls and macho crap.

Yes a team should have toughness... but I prefer the John Stockton / Tim Duncan "tough" over the Perkins or Laimbeer stuff every time. 

[Jonny CC]

So when RONDO did it..everyone was all over him......now that smart does something similar...people think it is GREAT......odd....Rondo stood up for his team mate.....as a true CELTIC would.....Red would like that..!!!

It was just a matter of time before a pro-Rondo-apologist had to bring his name into it.  When did Rondo do something similar and who exactly is "everyone" that was all over him??

[bello_man09]

k o acted like he didn't see what happened lol....I agree with a lot of points been mentioned here..but this team not really built for bonding...guys like bass know they can be traded any moment.

[greg683x]

Funny how we label Cousins an ****, then want other guys to step in and play macho when the play is over. Sure, lets thug it up and puff our chests for no other reason than to a make a "statement".  Smart got up and made his point. No one is going to keep doing that because we are soft...thats just ridiculous.

Playing tough is bumping people off screens, boxing out hard, taking charges and battling for loose balls and 50-50 balls.

The rest is the  fake toughness, stares, chest thumping, trash talking bull**** that looks like you are making up for a lack of ACTUAL toughness.

If all that "stare, chest thumping, trash talking BS"  are fake toughness, then name me one player that does all of that but is not actually tough.  KG does it, Paul Pierce does it, Perkins does it, Jordan does it, and Larry Bird does it.  They are all fake tough guys?  Players does those things to force the mean streak out of them, if you are a scared punk you wouldnt be able to do those things.

Carmelo Anthony tries to act as tough as they come, we all saw him punch someone then run away like his shorts were on fire.

I think his point is, and a lot of people think this way, is that the NBA is a diva sport now.  It's really easy to pound your chest and point your finger and trash talk, when you know their wont be a fight. 

[Jonny CC]

Funny how we label Cousins an ****, then want other guys to step in and play macho when the play is over. Sure, lets thug it up and puff our chests for no other reason than to a make a "statement".  Smart got up and made his point. No one is going to keep doing that because we are soft...thats just ridiculous.

Playing tough is bumping people off screens, boxing out hard, taking charges and battling for loose balls and 50-50 balls.

The rest is the  fake toughness, stares, chest thumping, trash talking bull**** that looks like you are making up for a lack of ACTUAL toughness.

If all that "stare, chest thumping, trash talking BS"  are fake toughness, then name me one player that does all of that but is not actually tough.  KG does it, Paul Pierce does it, Perkins does it, Jordan does it, and Larry Bird does it.  They are all fake tough guys?  Players does those things to force the mean streak out of them, if you are a scared punk you wouldnt be able to do those things.

Sorry, but KG was a fake tough guy.  Whenever anyone stood up to him, he couldn't backup fast enough.   

[Ogaju]

But we do not have an enforcer. We really never did. The Lakers last two championship teams went out and recruited Artest for that role. Once we lost Powe and Posey we did not have an enforcer for that team. Part of the reason why we did not win number 18. Your superstars are  NOT meant to be your enforcers.

I remember a game when Humph was in Brooklyn and Rondo had to take him on. Your 6'1 PG superstar IS NOT supposed to be your enforcer.

This team as always been weak since we lost Posey.

If you really believe Powe and Posey where our only enforcers during that period, I seriously doubt you where following the team.  The truth is during that era, our super stars Pierce and KG, and even rondo were enforcers and it worked, so don't tell me star players are not suppose to be enforcers, bad boy pistons were a prime example.  Even with our current team, their are players capable of being enforcers if they put their minds into it: Smart, Sullinger, Bass, Jae Crowder, Gerald Wallace. 

And do you really not see a difference between Hump-Rondo fight and the Smart-Cuz fight? Well 1st of all, all of our players were in the mix of the scuffle but where were they yesterday?

Superstars do not enforce, that is not their role. If you think Superstars enforce then you do not understand what an enforcer is. An enforcer is someone like the UCLA guy on the Clippers. Fox also played that role on the Lakers. An enforcer is someone the other team does not want to deal with. He will pick up cheap fouls even risk been tossed to protect his superstars. When your superstars have to fend for themselves you have exactly what the Cs had after 2008 -- no chips. As for Detroit? They had probably one superstar Thomas, maybe Dumars the others were scrubs.

[Jonny CC]

k o acted like he didn't see what happened lol....I agree with a lot of points been mentioned here..but this team not really built for bonding...guys like bass know they can be traded any moment.

So, by that logic, if you are on the trade block, you don't have to be a good teammate.  Nice.

[greg683x]

The need for an enforcer is a thing of the past. Who is was the enforcer on the Heat? The Spurs? The last two years Finals was the best pure basketball in 20 years...no cheap shots or thug behavior...just two teams playing hard. No fake scowls and macho crap.

Yes a team should have toughness... but I prefer the John Stockton / Tim Duncan "tough" over the Perkins or Laimbeer stuff every time.

Haslem was the enforcer on the Heat.  The Spurs had Bruce Bowen, but id agree they dont have that guy now

I think you do still need a player like this to some degree, no to fight, but to committ hard fouls and rattle other players, get under their skin.

[KingofDaPlayazBall]

The need for an enforcer is a thing of the past. Who is was the enforcer on the Heat? The Spurs? The last two years Finals was the best pure basketball in 20 years...no cheap shots or thug behavior...just two teams playing hard. No fake scowls and macho crap.

Yes a team should have toughness... but I prefer the John Stockton / Tim Duncan "tough" over the Perkins or Laimbeer stuff every time.

Heat and Spurs don't need enforcers because they have elite talent, I'm not advocating our players to all act like Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.s even though I personally prefer it.  I am saying in a situation where there is a scuffle or a conflict between a much bigger opponent and our rookie star player, its time for our players to express that toughness.  Anything other than that would be soft.

[rollie mass]

you seriously expect olynck to be bothered with a push shove brawl--basketball players just posture but i saw what happened to rudy t from a kermit washington sucker punch-the celtics once had jungle jim loscatoff for this type of stuff in russell era--

[P stoff]

Who defines Bird or Jordan as a tough guy BECAUSE of his ability to trash talk, etc?  Are you kidding? Those guys didnt NEED to do anything to prove their toughness on the floor... and none of what they (and others) do to be "tough' makes a lick of difference.

Can just imagine people talking about Bird..."he was a decent player, but what made him REALLY tough was because he could talk trash" Thats why he is a hall of famer"

Pointless energy wasted on getting "respect" that has little to do with the game you are playing. What are you proving?    Nothing.

[KingofDaPlayazBall]

Funny how we label Cousins an ****, then want other guys to step in and play macho when the play is over. Sure, lets thug it up and puff our chests for no other reason than to a make a "statement".  Smart got up and made his point. No one is going to keep doing that because we are soft...thats just ridiculous.

Playing tough is bumping people off screens, boxing out hard, taking charges and battling for loose balls and 50-50 balls.

The rest is the  fake toughness, stares, chest thumping, trash talking bull**** that looks like you are making up for a lack of ACTUAL toughness.

If all that "stare, chest thumping, trash talking BS"  are fake toughness, then name me one player that does all of that but is not actually tough.  KG does it, Paul Pierce does it, Perkins does it, Jordan does it, and Larry Bird does it.  They are all fake tough guys?  Players does those things to force the mean streak out of them, if you are a scared punk you wouldnt be able to do those things.

Sorry, but KG was a fake tough guy.  Whenever anyone stood up to him, he couldn't backup fast enough.

I respectfully disagree since what you said has truth to it, KG might back down when it is between him and another player but KG never backed down when he is defending a teammate.

[greg683x]

Who defines Bird or Jordan as a tough guy BECAUSE of his ability to trash talk, etc?  Are you kidding? Those guys didnt NEED to do anything to prove their toughness on the floor... and none of what they (and others) do to be "tough' makes a lick of difference.

Can just imagine people talking about Bird..."he was a decent player, but what made him REALLY tough was because he could talk trash" Thats why he is a hall of famer"

Pointless energy wasted on getting "respect" that has little to do with the game you are playing. What are you proving?    Nothing.

Bird would punch you in the face if you got under his skin, and wouldnt back down from fighting you if his trash talk did get under your skin.  Thats why people call him a tough guy, not trash talk