Max offer Jimmy Butler?

[spikelovetheCelts]

The Celtics will have the Money. He is the only player that his current team cannot afford. I see us making an offer but another team will match and he will go there. MJ will give him the same offer we will.

[Celtics18]

Jimmy Butler's ascendency into the ranks of NBA superstar is astonishing.  When you watch him play, nothing really jumps out at you as elite, superstar talent.  He's not a freak athlete (by NBA standards), he doesn't have otherworldly handles, or a can't miss jump shot.

However, he can score in a variety of ways.  He's strong on the block, knows how to take advantage of opportunities, and seems to be playing with supreme confidence.

Last year he was averaging 13 points a game and looked to be carving out a nice career as a really solid role player. 

Today he's in the conversation as a league MVP.  Astonishing.  He has to be the best story in the NBA right now.

Sounds a little bit like a former Celtic we all know.

Our captain?

[greece66]

Offering max contracts IMO is not going to be our first priority this summer.
I think we can already forget about the possibility of Butler becoming a Celtic.

[Csfan1984]

Can't help but get a Joe Johnson and RudyG. feel from JB. JB is good and some one will give him the max but that contract will define expectations which he will not live up to.

I would pay JB twice what I would pay Rudy. Rudy is a one way basketball player, and a low efficiency one at that. I think JB is about equal an in prime JJ - though very different. JJ was an unstoppable offensive player with inside and outside threat and JB will never be that good, but JJ was a hot and cold defensive player while JB never takes a game off...

Twenty years ago, JB would be a quality player who would commend no more than 50% of the max, but in today's hyper inflated salary market, JB is a max player who may turn out to be a LITTLE overpaid...

AB is a little overpaid (8 million instead of 6 million) and you see the kind of response he gets. JB is a 48% fg 2pt, 32% fg 3pt player and 79% ft player who if playing proper mins would be giving you on average for last 2 years of 16pts a game. Compare that to AB who is 46%/34%/78%/16pts and is a year+ years younger. Now JB is better on D and a little better handling the ball but imagine giving JB twice as much $ than AB for those #s. He will be well overpaid. Can a team afford that sure however fans will be turning on this guy 2 years or less after he signs his deal.

Except that Bradley has never averaged 16 ppg in his career, and Butler is currently averaging 22 ppg. Details.

Never gotten 40 minutes a season either. Details

It's hard to get 40 minutes a season when you're too brittle to even last the full 82 games. But this aside, Butler's per-36 production this season (20 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 3 apg) considerably exceeds anything Bradley has ever brought to the table.

I am not denying that. I have said two year production average to put history of player into context. Any GM thinking of signing him shouldn't just go off one year. As far as comparing what AB has done JB is older, on a better team, getting a ton of minutes, more shots and is in fact a better player(said he was a better player a bunch now). Will he get the Max I 100% believe so. I just don't think it is wise to pay him the max because I don't believe he is that good. NBA is devoid of proven talent which is why so many guys get bigger $ than expected.  But just because you can pay a guy the Max doesn't always mean you should. He not a #1 guy on a team. Simple as that for me.

I'm not sure what  two-year average you're constructing for Bradley. He's not anywhere close to shooting 46% over the last 2 seasons.

Clearly you have to read it over again.  2pt fg% 45% last year 48% this year I rounded low actually.

If you want to be doing it that way, Butler is shooting 49% and Bradley 46%. But that's beside the point.

The point that Butler is pretty [dang] good, and sometimes marginal improvements make a major difference (would you rather have LeBron / Carmelo, or Jeff Green at half the price?)

#s were exactly my point along with league history that says he isn't a max player. History says Butler won't keep this up and should not be a guy you Max. But onto the change of debate angle.

In changing the debate to talent acquisition comparison I think it is a good one in support to giving him the max as "a good choice". Taking $ out If we go Butler to AB is like Melo to Green (LeBron is too much difference and he is under paid). Is that worth double the price in terms of talent and I will keep in mind the league talent pool is also down, yes Melo is double Green. Butler with lack of talent in league sure he could be worth double AB. I acknowledge this as a solid view and legit. Still  big issue is AB was considered over paid and salary cap ramifications if you Max JB. He is more the third man on a team surely not the top guy. We have to take multiple things into consideration.

[Celtics18]

Offering max contracts IMO is not going to be our first priority this summer.
I think we can already forget about the possibility of Butler becoming a Celtic.

What is going to be our first priority this summer?

I honestly have no idea what this team is doing. 

[kozlodoev]

#s were exactly my point along with league history that says he isn't a max player. History says Butler won't keep this up and should not be a guy you Max. But onto the change of debate angle.

We don't know that history says that. Not for a player that's in his second season as a full-time starter.

Also, the max for a player with his tenure will be somewhere in the neighborhood of $16 million (perhaps slightly under) -- and he'll totally be worth that next summer.

He is more the third man on a team surely not the top guy. We have to take multiple things into consideration.

Well, right now he's the top guy on a pretty good team, so...

[Who]

I wonder how well he'll do away from Thibs and Noah. How he'll do on a more typical high quality team where there are better go-to scorers around him.

[Csfan1984]

#s were exactly my point along with league history that says he isn't a max player. History says Butler won't keep this up and should not be a guy you Max. But onto the change of debate angle.

We don't know that history says that. Not for a player that's in his second season as a full-time starter.

Also, the max for a player with his tenure will be somewhere in the neighborhood of $16 million (perhaps slightly under) -- and he'll totally be worth that next summer.

He is more the third man on a team surely not the top guy. We have to take multiple things into consideration.

Well, right now he's the top guy on a pretty good team, so...

Rose when he plays is still better. Noah also better.

[wiley]

Imagine if the Bulls get to the finals.  Do we want a player who just played 110 NBA games at 42 minutes per game.   

I voted yes because he looks great right now and I liked him coming
out of college.  But talk about mileage...

[Csfan1984]

I'm just glad Boston won't be the ones signing him to the max. I really don't want this guy at 16 or so million. Bulls should match and besides that Butler would probably sign a OS for LAL or NYK before C's.

[greece66]

Offering max contracts IMO is not going to be our first priority this summer.
I think we can already forget about the possibility of Butler becoming a Celtic.

What is going to be our first priority this summer?

I honestly have no idea what this team is doing.

I expect us to keep most of the players on rookie contracts, maybe Crowder too, add a couple of players from the draft plus mid-term fixes like Crawford last year and Thonton this year, and get ready for the 2016 FA.
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/boston.htm

[Celtics18]

Offering max contracts IMO is not going to be our first priority this summer.
I think we can already forget about the possibility of Butler becoming a Celtic.

What is going to be our first priority this summer?

I honestly have no idea what this team is doing.

I expect us to keep most of the players on rookie contracts, maybe Crowder too, add a couple of players from the draft plus mid-term fixes like Crawford last year and Thonton this year, and get ready for the 2016 FA.
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/boston.htm

Hope it works.

Smart
Young
Durant
Olynyk
Noah

Look out, league!!

[Beat LA]

Jimmy Butler's ascendency into the ranks of NBA superstar is astonishing.  When you watch him play, nothing really jumps out at you as elite, superstar talent.  He's not a freak athlete (by NBA standards), he doesn't have otherworldly handles, or a can't miss jump shot.

However, he can score in a variety of ways.  He's strong on the block, knows how to take advantage of opportunities, and seems to be playing with supreme confidence.

Last year he was averaging 13 points a game and looked to be carving out a nice career as a really solid role player. 

Today he's in the conversation as a league MVP.  Astonishing.  He has to be the best story in the NBA right now.

Sounds a little bit like a former Celtic we all know.

Our captain?

Don't you dare.

[greece66]

Jimmy Butler's ascendency into the ranks of NBA superstar is astonishing.  When you watch him play, nothing really jumps out at you as elite, superstar talent.  He's not a freak athlete (by NBA standards), he doesn't have otherworldly handles, or a can't miss jump shot.

However, he can score in a variety of ways.  He's strong on the block, knows how to take advantage of opportunities, and seems to be playing with supreme confidence.

Last year he was averaging 13 points a game and looked to be carving out a nice career as a really solid role player. 

Today he's in the conversation as a league MVP.  Astonishing.  He has to be the best story in the NBA right now.

Sounds a little bit like a former Celtic we all know.

Our captain?

Don't you dare.

Ditto.

[snively]

Jimmy Butler's punching above his weight class right now.  I don't think this production is sustainable.  Still very impressive though.