Sounds like we attempted to trade Rondo for Juilus Randle

[D.o.s.]

You know how the Princeton offense relies on every player to have at least some semblance of dribbling and passing ability for it to work?

I feel like the ideal Ainge lineup is all power forwards, all the time. Olynyk runs the point.

[Fafnir]

It's probably the smart move for the Lakers, but why commit to Kobe so heavily if you're not going to put a win-now team around him?  I'm sure he's thrilled.

At this point you wonder if they committed to Kobe because why not, they'll suck anyways. Everything they've publically presented says they really thought they'd compete, but we all know smokescreens are often the name of the game in the NBA and LA.

[slamtheking]

no interest in Randle.

injury questions aside, he's at best redundant with Sully and KO.  both of those guys have shown the ability to score and pass in the NBA. In Sully's case, he rebounds very well and in KO's case, he's a really good ballhandler.

Randle's known for scoring and rebounding but hasn't shown that due to his injury.  while that's unfortunate for him, it still puts any judgement about his ability to do it in the NBA as pure speculation.

none of the 3 are good defenders but Randle looked absolutely clueless at the collegiate level.  I would anticipate those woes to become even worse in the NBA. 

[Moranis]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba-power-rankings--warriors-still-shining-203840556.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

The Lakers and Celtics had mutual interest for a Rajon Rondo deal, but the Lakers weren?t willing to give up injured rookie Julius Randle, a source said.

... Well that settles that.  Rondo for Nash's expiring + Randle always seemed like the most logical deal to me.  Sounds like the Lakers weren't willing to give up their injured prospect.  I don't blame them.  They can just sign Rondo this summer.

Kudos to Ainge for trying to get something of value for Rondo.  Wish he had done it sooner when Rondo had more trade value.

The thing is, Rondo will almost definitely re-sign in Dallas now.  That is why you should never rely on the thinking yeah well we can just sign him this summer mentality. 

[littleteapot]

no interest in Randle.

injury questions aside, he's at best redundant with Sully and KO.  both of those guys have shown the ability to score and pass in the NBA. In Sully's case, he rebounds very well and in KO's case, he's a really good ballhandler.

Randle's known for scoring and rebounding but hasn't shown that due to his injury.  while that's unfortunate for him, it still puts any judgement about his ability to do it in the NBA as pure speculation.

none of the 3 are good defenders but Randle looked absolutely clueless at the collegiate level.  I would anticipate those woes to become even worse in the NBA.

Why did the Celtics ever trade for Ray Allen? There was obviously no place for him on that team, with Pierce, Rondo, Gerald Green, Delonte West, Sebastian Telfair and Tony Allen all needing minutes on the perimeter. It's like Ainge thought players on rebuilding teams are all tradeable and a team could take a complete transformation when he had a chance to get superstar players. Weird.

[gpap]

Interesting.

It's important to keep in mind for those who don't like the Rondo trade (like me) that this being Rondo's final year of his deal and the fact that he is interested in resigning with Dallas played very big roles in where he got traded.

No one was going to give up much for a one year rental besides what Dallas gave up.

[Vermont Green]

The thing is, Rondo will almost definitely re-sign in Dallas now.  That is why you should never rely on the thinking yeah well we can just sign him this summer mentality.

Did I miss something?  I know Rondo has said that he is "inclined" to sign with Dallas but isn't Rondo still going to test free agency?  I guess based on the trade, Dallas is in a better position to sign him based on cap management but do we really know that it is in the "almost definitely" category?

I don't see any reason that he wouldn't sign with Dallas, I am just trying to confirm the background on this.  The best I could find is this quote from Yahoo Sports:

Rondo, 28, will be a free agent in July and his agent, Bill Duffy, gave the Mavericks a strong indication that Rondo would be inclined to sign a contract extension to stay with Dallas this summer, sources said.

Rondo said he wanted to stay with the Celtics too.  I think all Rondo has done is NOT say that he Won't sign with Dallas (for instance he did say he would not sign with Sacramento reportedly), which is fine and expected.  Dallas at this point probably has the best chance, better apparently than the Celtics ever had, but there is still quite a bit of drama to play out before any of this becomes clear I think.

[heyvik]

no interest in Randle.

injury questions aside, he's at best redundant with Sully and KO.  both of those guys have shown the ability to score and pass in the NBA. In Sully's case, he rebounds very well and in KO's case, he's a really good ballhandler.

Randle's known for scoring and rebounding but hasn't shown that due to his injury.  while that's unfortunate for him, it still puts any judgement about his ability to do it in the NBA as pure speculation.

none of the 3 are good defenders but Randle looked absolutely clueless at the collegiate level.  I would anticipate those woes to become even worse in the NBA.

Why did the Celtics ever trade for Ray Allen? There was obviously no place for him on that team, with Pierce, Rondo, Gerald Green, Delonte West, Sebastian Telfair and Tony Allen all needing minutes on the perimeter. It's like Ainge thought players on rebuilding teams are all tradeable and a team could take a complete transformation when he had a chance to get superstar players. Weird.

dude, I'm seriously trolling but, your argument is flawed. Why did we trade for Ray Allen? He was a PROVEN all star and vet who could compliment PP. Let me break it down for you - PP, vet and starting SF on the team, Rondo - 2nd year rookie, who was breaking out  as a PG, Gerald Green was GONE to Minny by the time the KG trade happened in the OFFseason, Delonte West, was gone in the trade to get Ray Allen, Sebastian Telfair, was gone in the same trade to Minny to get KG, and Tony Allen, was a back-up SG. so there you have it - there wasn't anyone on the Celtics team to start at SG except for Ray Allen. Tony Allen was a 3rd year player and Ray Allen was a PROVEN star.
NOW onto your arguement - Julius Randle has proven NOTHING! He got hurt early on in the season. you lose the chance at developing your 2nd and 3rd year players in KO and JS. its not like Julius can play C. He can only play PF, so you would then have job of trying to balance 3 young players for the same position - BTW, you can't have Sully playing C - it doesn't work. its more that you dont want to add a player at a position in which you have so much depth. also you could technically play Wallace or Green at PF.
Julius Randle is NOT worth the hype.

[littleteapot]

My point was that just because someone is playing 25 minutes on a rebuilding team doesn't mean there is any long-term plan to keep him around. In 5 years, half the prospects we have will be playing less than 10 minutes on some team on the west coast (or China). There's no reason not to go after a guy the league regards as an elite prospect because he's redundant with Kelly Olynyk and Jared Sullinger. Even if you don't like him, he's a great trade chip. The bottom line is that if we were trying to trade Randle right now, we would get a lot more than a pick and a trade exception.

[Celtics4ever]

no interest in Randle.

injury questions aside, he's at best redundant with Sully and KO.  both of those guys have shown the ability to score and pass in the NBA. In Sully's case, he rebounds very well and in KO's case, he's a really good ballhandler.

And yet Ainge did show some interest, I think Sully's days are numbered, his D has to go and his lack of effort on one end has to go. I hope we get value for him but I think other teams value him less than we do.

[Donoghus]

no interest in Randle.

injury questions aside, he's at best redundant with Sully and KO.  both of those guys have shown the ability to score and pass in the NBA. In Sully's case, he rebounds very well and in KO's case, he's a really good ballhandler.

And yet Ainge did show some interest, I think Sully's days are numbered, his D has to go and his lack of effort on one end has to go. I hope we get value for him but I think other teams value him less than we do.

Yeah, I think if they had gone this route, the next shoe to drop would've been a Sullinger trade.  Still think he's going to get moved before this rebuild is all said & done.

[Snakehead]

If Ainge wanted Randle it was to get an asset.  I think he likes the players we have already, he just wants a ton of assets that could have value in a trade or to keep around after a trade happens.

Now maybe he likes Randle more than Sully.   I don't but I see why someone could.

[heyvik]

My point was that just because someone is playing 25 minutes on a rebuilding team doesn't mean there is any long-term plan to keep him around. In 5 years, half the prospects we have will be playing less than 10 minutes on some team on the west coast (or China). There's no reason not to go after a guy the league regards as an elite prospect because he's redundant with Kelly Olynyk and Jared Sullinger. Even if you don't like him, he's a great trade chip. The bottom line is that if we were trying to trade Randle right now, we would get a lot more than a pick and a trade exception.

I see what you are saying but you don't make sense bc, you still run the risk of delaying either player development/growth or trade value. Randle since he hasn't played in the NBA and his pre-season wasn't great either. You're advocating to bring in a guy because he's a trade chip, based on what??? his potential??? You simply can't bring someone in just because you think he's a great trade chip - without playing hope of playing time and getting that on the current roster will be difficult. What is he going to do sit on the bench? And if we were trying to trade Randle right now -what would you really get for him - nothing... he's got less value than someone like D. Exum in Utah who has at least shown flashes of NBA readiness. Randle looks like he could be a player, BUT he hasn't shown it yet in the NBA.

[Rosco917]

If this story is true, it's not exactly a vote of confidence for our young PF duo. Danny has to be disappointed in the defense he getting out of both.

He has to be disappointed in Sully's conditioning and weight. A Jarred Sullinger that weighs in at 250- 255 lb. would be nice. 

[littleteapot]

I see what you are saying but you don't make sense bc, you still run the risk of delaying either player development/growth or trade value. Randle since he hasn't played in the NBA and his pre-season wasn't great either. You're advocating to bring in a guy because he's a trade chip, based on what??? his potential??? You simply can't bring someone in just because you think he's a great trade chip - without playing hope of playing time and getting that on the current roster will be difficult. What is he going to do sit on the bench? And if we were trying to trade Randle right now -what would you really get for him - nothing... he's got less value than someone like D. Exum in Utah who has at least shown flashes of NBA readiness. Randle looks like he could be a player, BUT he hasn't shown it yet in the NBA.

We got a draft pick for Rondo, and that definitely has no NBA experience. If we get Randle, we basically have 9 months to trade him Olynyk or Sully to make it worthwhile to go after a guy every team in the nba would want.