ESPN: Celtics and Mavs discussing Rondo trade

[kozlodoev]

Clearly you were looking at houston's roster before, and i agree, they are hard to match up with. They have the 8.4 Lin exception but thats not big enough for rondo and it cant be combined with other pieces. So really wed either need  to take ariza and his contract back, find a third team that wants ariza, or take a lot of small pieces back.

I was. The problem with taking Ariza back is that it's virtually impossible to ship Green to them (the Lin exception is too small for him, too), and Ariza is sopping up 35 minutes of playing time at SF for them. Hence my thought that they'd be more likely to be willing to ship Terry + Pap, especially given that they'll be getting another guard back. The problem is that I don't think this + a pick is enough for Rondo, and I don't fell they're likely to fork over Monty or Beverley, so...

[Donoghus]

Are people really going to try & talk themselves into Brandan Wright?

This trade is the quintessential "cents on the dollar" trade that many people have been talking about on here for months.  Pretty awful.

But he is a blossoming center

Ah,  the allure of potential....with  a guy who is in his 7th season playing in the league and playing a career average 16 mpg. 

[Tr1boy]

Maybe the pelicans will step in and get a deal done. Davis and rondo combo could be good

Holiday and 1st for rondo. Holiday would be a much better fit for this unit. Its a good trade for both teams

[Endless Paradise]

In what NBA is a Rondo-Evans backcourt good?

[Donoghus]

In what NBA is a Rondo-Evans backcourt good?

NBA Jam?

[Endless Paradise]

I'd also accept "tweaked settings 2K" as an answer, but TP.

[Fafnir]

Wouldn't it be more correct to assume that Wright's extraordinary PER is an outlier, considering the metric was created to put Jordan at the top?

He's a good player, for sure (and a definite upgrade), but he's really an example of the limitations of PER, rather than it's poster boy.

I do not trust PER, either. But it suffices as shorthand.

Wright's PER with Dallas the last four years has been 22.6, over 198 games, in about 3500 minutes. If that's who he truly is as a player now, where that would put him on the all-time and active PER leaderboard...it'd place him in the company of absolutely no one who even vaguely sucks, not even close to any average players. He'd have to be one of the most singular outliers in sports history.

It's not just PER that makes Wright look good, he's third in Win Shares/48, 1st in TS%, his value over replacement is high, etc, etc.  He plays a very, very efficient game, so advanced stats adore him. 

He's obviously not as good as his ranks would indicate, but he's equally clearly a substantial plus to his team.  Unfortunately that also means he's very likely to get some strong contract offers this offseason.

This just makes me stand by my McGee/Hill comparison. They also had similarly high rankings in advanced stats.

Not that good of players sadly. Nor do want to pay any of the three big money.

[pearljammer10]

I do not trust PER, either. But it suffices as shorthand.

Except one of the known flaws of the PER shorthand is that it is not reliable in short minutes. Wright has never played more  than 19 mpg so evaluating him based on his PER is kind of worthless.

The bottom line is that he's already 27, he's more undersized than any of our other undersized bigs, and will  generally be redundant on our roster.

At this point Brandan Wright is what he is. A fantastic above average role player on a contending team when give 15-20 minutes a game. I don't see how he fits on a rebuilding team. He helps contending teams win games by given stars a rest and playing great basketball in limited minutes. In greater minutes, there is no way he keeps his production up and I don't see his ceiling being any higher than he has already reached.

[kozlodoev]

It's not just PER that makes Wright look good, he's third in Win Shares/48, 1st in TS%, his value over replacement is high, etc, etc.  He plays a very, very efficient game, so advanced stats adore him. 

He's obviously not as good as his ranks would indicate, but he's equally clearly a substantial plus to his team.  Unfortunately that also means he's very likely to get some strong contract offers this offseason.

He plays a very efficient per-minute game in 18 mpg off the bench. I have no doubt he's a positive contributor in the right situation, just not sure that the wright situation is to make him your starting C and play him 30 mpg.

Also, he's a FA in the end of the season. But yeah, something like Wright + Harris for Rondo would work, it's just a little sad it's come down to this.

[pearljammer10]

Wouldn't it be more correct to assume that Wright's extraordinary PER is an outlier, considering the metric was created to put Jordan at the top?

He's a good player, for sure (and a definite upgrade), but he's really an example of the limitations of PER, rather than it's poster boy.

I do not trust PER, either. But it suffices as shorthand.

Wright's PER with Dallas the last four years has been 22.6, over 198 games, in about 3500 minutes. If that's who he truly is as a player now, where that would put him on the all-time and active PER leaderboard...it'd place him in the company of absolutely no one who even vaguely sucks, not even close to any average players. He'd have to be one of the most singular outliers in sports history.

It's not just PER that makes Wright look good, he's third in Win Shares/48, 1st in TS%, his value over replacement is high, etc, etc.  He plays a very, very efficient game, so advanced stats adore him. 

He's obviously not as good as his ranks would indicate, but he's equally clearly a substantial plus to his team.  Unfortunately that also means he's very likely to get some strong contract offers this offseason.

This just makes me stand by my McGee/Hill comparison. They also had similarly high rankings in advanced stats.

Not that good of players sadly.

McGee and especially Hill both have much more basketball talent than Wright has.

[Fafnir]

McGee and especially Hill both have much more basketball talent than Wright has.

How so?

McGee is kind of in the past tense too, he's been terrible since his severe injury.

[number_n9ne]

Mavs are my second favorite team and if I had to see Rondo play somewhere else, it would be with them. That being said, they don't have anything to offer us unless a third team gets involved. The only two I see working in our favor and getting value from would be:

Rondo for Donatas Motiejunas, Jason Terry, Clint Capela and the Pelicans 2015 1st

or

Rondo for Ben McLemore, Derrick Williams, Sacramento 1st

If we had to trade with the Mavs I'd want something like:

Rondo and Green for Brandon Wright, Chandler Parsons, Mavericks 2016 1st, rights to swap in 2017, Mavericks 2018 1st

What a mess this has become...

[fairweatherfan]

Wouldn't it be more correct to assume that Wright's extraordinary PER is an outlier, considering the metric was created to put Jordan at the top?

He's a good player, for sure (and a definite upgrade), but he's really an example of the limitations of PER, rather than it's poster boy.

I do not trust PER, either. But it suffices as shorthand.

Wright's PER with Dallas the last four years has been 22.6, over 198 games, in about 3500 minutes. If that's who he truly is as a player now, where that would put him on the all-time and active PER leaderboard...it'd place him in the company of absolutely no one who even vaguely sucks, not even close to any average players. He'd have to be one of the most singular outliers in sports history.

It's not just PER that makes Wright look good, he's third in Win Shares/48, 1st in TS%, his value over replacement is high, etc, etc.  He plays a very, very efficient game, so advanced stats adore him. 

He's obviously not as good as his ranks would indicate, but he's equally clearly a substantial plus to his team.  Unfortunately that also means he's very likely to get some strong contract offers this offseason.

This just makes me stand by my McGee/Hill comparison. They also had similarly high rankings in advanced stats.

Not that good of players sadly.

McGee's career highs in PER, WS/48 and TS% would be around Wright's 4th or 5th best season.  If Hill means Jordan, he's even farther back.  But they definitely are the type of guys who can get overrated by advanced stats.

Anyone expecting Wright to turn into an All-Star or even a #1 big is being way too optimistic.  But a decent starter or an excellent 3rd big?  Sure, probably a safe bet.  The question is whether 2/3 of a season + Bird rights on a guy like that is worth it.  I say no myself.

[Shamrocker]

CelticsBlog @celticsblog  ·  47m
Add the Pacers to the list of teams bidding - per --> RT @sam_amick: At USAT: A look at the Rajon Rondo sweepstakes http://usat.ly/1AJIbWt

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2014/12/18/rajon-rondo-trade-boston-celtics-dallas-mavericks-los-angeles-lakers-sacramento-kings-houston-rockets-indiana-pacers/20575105/

Any thoughts on what pieces a potential Indiana package would comprise?

[fairweatherfan]

CelticsBlog @celticsblog  ·  47m
Add the Pacers to the list of teams bidding - per --> RT @sam_amick: At USAT: A look at the Rajon Rondo sweepstakes http://usat.ly/1AJIbWt

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2014/12/18/rajon-rondo-trade-boston-celtics-dallas-mavericks-los-angeles-lakers-sacramento-kings-houston-rockets-indiana-pacers/20575105/

Any thoughts on what pieces a potential Indiana package would comprise?

PAUL GEORGE !!1!

...just kidding.  It'd probably have to involve Hibbert, or in a 3-way deal we might send West to a contender somewhere.