Which pair is better? MS+ET or RR+AB

[hwangjini_1]

The one that doesn't feature Evan Turner.

Why?

Busy, but the short answer is that throughout his NBA career he's been a net negative on ever team that's ever rostered him. The same remains true in Boston.

Except it was never true in the first place. He had 1 losing campaign in his first three years in Philadelphia and that was on a team where Holiday and and Thad Young were the two best players. He didn't exactly work out in Indiana, but the rumors of his death are highly exaggerated, so to speak.

agreed, and this raises some interested questions about turner. there is no doubt he is a physically talented player. currently, i think he is the closest the celtics have to a player who can make his own shot, hence the iso set for him at the end of the Wiz 2 OT.

the trouble, as i see it, is he is not a smart or efficient player. he forces shots, doesnt make the right pass, is often confused by defensive assignments, and is befuddled by complex offensive sets. simply stated, turner is just a plain basketball simpleton who has wonderful physical gifts.

enter stevens. turner said he joined the celtics since he WANTS to have stevens as his coach, teacher, mentor. if anyone can teach turner to use his abilities wisely and to provide him with a system that channels that talent, stevens is the person.

i think turner's role with the celtics will be a carefully orchestrated one. depending upon situations, match ups, contexts turner will be in games and will have specific jobs. within these contexts turner will be encouraged to free lance a bit and have easy decision making options. (pass, shoot, etc. depending upon specific circumstances.)

this will mean turner may have to be paired with other plays who have better vision/decision making abilities - smart, olly, et al. he may need players who can get HIM the ball at certain places and times so he can maximize his physical ability.

if stevens can teach turner AND provide specific scripts/plays/sets that play to turner's strengths and does not place him in the role of primary decision maker, i think turner will be very valuable player for the celtics.

he will probably never live up to the expectations of being the #2 over pick in the draft, but that is okay. the celtics didn't invest the pick in him. the celtics got him for free.

[GzUP617]

 
 MS + ET >  RR + AB

 MS + AB > MS + ET

[hwangjini_1]

 MS + ET >  RR + AB

 MS + AB > MS + ET

and the reasons are...?

[jpotter33]

I think Smart and Turner benefit from having two ballhandlers on the floor, where Rondo has Bradley's horrible ball handling to deal with.

[greece66]

What I find interesting by skimming through the post (I cannot even pretend I read most of them, as the last 24 hrs in our blog must have been written several volumes of bball literature) is that ET vs Bradley/Smart proves to be a more divisive topic than RR vs MS.
There is something about ET that makes ppl love him or hate him, I think this deserves a thread of his own. But guys, I think it is about time we started expressing our opinions in less than 4 pages... I mean the literature on ET write now is competing with the volume of historical monographs on the French Revolution 

[littleteapot]

enter stevens. turner said he joined the celtics since he WANTS to have stevens as his coach, teacher, mentor. if anyone can teach turner to use his abilities wisely and to provide him with a system that channels that talent, stevens is the person.

Let's be honest, Turner signed with the C's because he was out of options. That's why he's getting paid less than 4 mil per year.

[TheFlex]

Rondo and Bradley. This really shouldn't be a question, though I'm not surprised it is after Turner and Smart played well in one game that we lost.

A better question would be what backcourt is best in general. I'd be interested to see how many people would answer Rondo and Smart. I'm inclined to answer that way myself.

[Who]

RR + ET > RR + AB, MS + AB, MS + ET

[Who]

The one that doesn't feature Evan Turner.

Why?

Busy, but the short answer is that throughout his NBA career he's been a net negative on ever team that's ever rostered him. The same remains true in Boston.

Except it was never true in the first place. He had 1 losing campaign in his first three years in Philadelphia and that was on a team where Holiday and and Thad Young were the two best players. He didn't exactly work out in Indiana, but the rumors of his death are highly exaggerated, so to speak.

Agreed -- Evan Turner was always a net positive for Philly. His short spell in Indy did not go well.

[hwangjini_1]

enter stevens. turner said he joined the celtics since he WANTS to have stevens as his coach, teacher, mentor. if anyone can teach turner to use his abilities wisely and to provide him with a system that channels that talent, stevens is the person.

Let's be honest, Turner signed with the C's because he was out of options. That's why he's getting paid less than 4 mil per year.

"Turner’s agent believes it will be a successful marriage. “What it points out for me,” agent David Falk said, “is the other team we strongly considered [signing with] — the coach is someone I have tremendous respect for and he made a comment to me while we were talking about Evan: ‘A player, unless he’s a superstar, is only as good as his coach thinks he is.’ I believe that Brad Stevens thinks that Evan has the ability. He’s got the skill set and a very high basketball IQ to be a very good player."

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2014/07/27/brad-stevens-celtics-good-match-for-evan-turner/2hJZd2OyGsvU2wQnYVpalK/story.html

[kozlodoev]

enter stevens. turner said he joined the celtics since he WANTS to have stevens as his coach, teacher, mentor. if anyone can teach turner to use his abilities wisely and to provide him with a system that channels that talent, stevens is the person.

Let's be honest, Turner signed with the C's because he was out of options. That's why he's getting paid less than 4 mil per year.

"Turner’s agent believes it will be a successful marriage. “What it points out for me,” agent David Falk said, “is the other team we strongly considered [signing with] — the coach is someone I have tremendous respect for and he made a comment to me while we were talking about Evan: ‘A player, unless he’s a superstar, is only as good as his coach thinks he is.’ I believe that Brad Stevens thinks that Evan has the ability. He’s got the skill set and a very high basketball IQ to be a very good player."

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2014/07/27/brad-stevens-celtics-good-match-for-evan-turner/2hJZd2OyGsvU2wQnYVpalK/story.html

To be fair, this still doesn't mean he had other options.

[wdleehi]

I want to see RR + MS  with AB off the bench and ET and the rest getting spot minutes