Don't stand around and watch Rondo.

I sure agree with that. Make cuts, picks, move the ball.
But I hate these risky fast break passes when we are winning and there is little time left. Play it safe.

Don't stand around and watch Rondo.

+1. I rather see the team push the pace from start to the end, regardless if that will mean some ugly turnovers will result.   Thats what happened today, and we won.  I bet if things slowed down in the 4th , especially with less than 5 min, we would of lost. They would of kept scoring but we would not be able to score the 24 we did

Quote from: greece666 on December 07, 2014, 05:09:38 PM

You have a two digit in the last quarter. My euro education in bball suggests:
You don't gamble.
You play slow.
No fast breaks.
You do not allow easy baskets.
Time works in your favour and is your greatest asset. Force your opponent to gamble and allow you to score easy baskets.
Going back to the old continent wisdom. It's 1994 in Athens. European Champions Final. The super talented Treviso led by Tony Kukoc (playing as PG) against the untalented, boring and cheap Limoges. Limoges won by ... 55-59 in a truly awful game. Despite the Greek commentary, it is worth watching the last 5 min (starting around 17:00) a testament of how an inferior team can win games with stubbornness, cold blood  and effort.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOgLVjKtFvo

I absolutely disagree with you on that point.  You NEVER play to the clock and/or score, because you'll find yourself slowing down, waiting for the clock to run out.  First quarter leads mean nothing, halftime leads mean nothing, and especially third quarter leads mean nothing (not to mention the fourth quarter).  This isn't the pre-shot clock era, where you can just dribble out a 3 point lead for 5 minutes.  You have to stay aggressive, because time is never on your side, imo.

Tommy would emphatically agree with you! And so do I!

Quote from: Beat LA on December 07, 2014, 06:05:54 PM

Quote from: greece666 on December 07, 2014, 05:09:38 PM

You have a two digit in the last quarter. My euro education in bball suggests:
You don't gamble.
You play slow.
No fast breaks.
You do not allow easy baskets.
Time works in your favour and is your greatest asset. Force your opponent to gamble and allow you to score easy baskets.
Going back to the old continent wisdom. It's 1994 in Athens. European Champions Final. The super talented Treviso led by Tony Kukoc (playing as PG) against the untalented, boring and cheap Limoges. Limoges won by ... 55-59 in a truly awful game. Despite the Greek commentary, it is worth watching the last 5 min (starting around 17:00) a testament of how an inferior team can win games with stubbornness, cold blood  and effort.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOgLVjKtFvo

I absolutely disagree with you on that point.  You NEVER play to the clock and/or score, because you'll find yourself slowing down, waiting for the clock to run out.  First quarter leads mean nothing, halftime leads mean nothing, and especially third quarter leads mean nothing (not to mention the fourth quarter).  This isn't the pre-shot clock era, where you can just dribble out a 3 point lead for 5 minutes.  You have to stay aggressive, because time is never on your side, imo.

Tommy would emphatically agree with you! And so do I!

Tommy is a happy man these days

You have a two digit in the last quarter. My euro education in bball suggests:
You don't gamble.
You play slow.
No fast breaks.
You do not allow easy baskets.
Time works in your favour and is your greatest asset. Force your opponent to gamble and allow you to score easy baskets.
Going back to the old continent wisdom. It's 1994 in Athens. European Champions Final. The super talented Treviso led by Tony Kukoc (playing as PG) against the untalented, boring and cheap Limoges. Limoges won by ... 55-59 in a truly awful game. Despite the Greek commentary, it is worth watching the last 5 min (starting around 17:00) a testament of how an inferior team can win games with stubbornness, cold blood  and effort.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOgLVjKtFvo

  I think your "solution" is the cause of about 75% of the team's losses over the last 5 years or so.

Quote from: greece666 on December 07, 2014, 05:09:38 PM

You have a two digit in the last quarter. My euro education in bball suggests:
You don't gamble.
You play slow.
No fast breaks.
You do not allow easy baskets.
Time works in your favour and is your greatest asset. Force your opponent to gamble and allow you to score easy baskets.
Going back to the old continent wisdom. It's 1994 in Athens. European Champions Final. The super talented Treviso led by Tony Kukoc (playing as PG) against the untalented, boring and cheap Limoges. Limoges won by ... 55-59 in a truly awful game. Despite the Greek commentary, it is worth watching the last 5 min (starting around 17:00) a testament of how an inferior team can win games with stubbornness, cold blood  and effort.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOgLVjKtFvo

  I think your "solution" is the cause of about 75% of the team's losses over the last 5 years or so.

How exactly did you come up with this number again?
Also, if this is happening so often (I don't see it happening, but let's assume it for the sake of the argument) why do you think they do it if it is so obviously wrong?
Honest questions, love to hear the answers.

yay the last slow pace celtics team was with the big 3 in the champ season. They played their half court sets from the beginning to the end avg. around 80 shots total if I remember right. Nearly every offence sequence was marked by execution in razor sharp precission. You can't do that with todays team since when the game goes to slowmo and the opponent can set up his D there is hardly ever a really good matchup to abuse thruout the game. This way we lose more offence ability to score than we lose to 5-10 turnover per game. I thing its hard to get numbers to compare the effects to the scoring from the stats. Best indication for it is are the 4th quater collapses from this season. Slower pace is only half the thruth to it but sure is a factor.