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Re: From the box score, not an impressive game
« Reply #30 on: October 08, 2014, 04:50:28 PM »

Offline DarkAzcura

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I see a ton of red flags, they see only awesomeness. Philly was the better team by 7 points in the first quarter when each team's best players were out there. The C's took control late in the third when each team cleared their bench. If the C's are going to rely on their deep bench to win games, they aren't going to win many.

When I look at the shot chart at ESPN, two things stand out - the C's took a huge number of 3's and only one shot was made that wasn't at the three point line or in the paint (Bass made it).


I hope you realize the bolded is actually not necessarily a bad thing depending on how many mid-range shots were missed. Those are the most efficient shots in the game. Not that they shouldn't be making mid-range shots, but *shrugs*. It's pretty clear what direction the Celtics have been leaning with their offense considering how stats-driven Stevens can be.

You just seem to be too nitpicky for the first pre-season game. Who really cares that Philly was 7 points better in the first quarter? If you watched the game, you'd see that we were getting a ton of open shots and playing aggressive on that end. The shots weren't falling. Regardless of who was out there, the game blew open because we were actually starting to hit shots.

Also, when people say they were happy with the game (at least me), it wasn't about the overall team performance. Expecting the team to be completely cohesive and ready to go out of the gate, especially one so young, is not the best way to go about things. For example, Turner was thrown into starting at the 3 after practicing as a point guard all of training camp.

The main takeaways for most people happy were individual highlights:

Olynyk looked like he was continuing the strides he made post-all star break. His defensive rotations were much more improved also.

Smart looked amazing on defense at times and completely changed the complexion of the game in short bursts with his defense. There was a sequence in the second where he stuck to his man all the way to the basket with his hands up, got a block, and immediately initiated a fast break. One possession later, Smart stole the ball in the passing lane and immediately passed it to Bradley for a fastbreak. Smart also looked good as a PG. He looked comfortable running the offense, and that's all you can really ask from a rookie PG this early on...especially one who is used to attacking the basket rather than playing more of a "pure PG" role. 

Evan Turner looked good as a PG, and it looks like having his role more defined for the first time in his career may do him good.

Young looked good out there. His offensive awareness was good. He found seams and knew where to go to get open. He had a fast trigger generally either shooting it or passing it off immediately. Looked more ready than most were led to believe he'd be at this time.

Thornton looked comfortable out there with his shot. Seems like he has the green light to let it fly, which should help us a good amount. We lacked shot creators last season, but that changes a bit with Turner and Thornton.

Wallace looked like the normal-hustling Wallace. His defense was good especially when combined with Smart.

These are positives people were looking at in that game. Not all of this, if any of it, will show up in the box score or shot charts. Box scores and shot charts are useless in pre-season, imo, unless you are getting absolutely owned out there. The rotations are completely different than what you would see in the regular season. There is little cohesion, and a lot of players are still getting into their own flow. Pre-season is more about seeing how certain individuals have improved their game against NBA competition.

Not too many positives to speak about with Bradley and Sullinger, unfortunately, but the 6 players up above are the reasons why people were happy about the Philly game. That's all there is to it.
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Re: From the box score, not an impressive game
« Reply #31 on: October 08, 2014, 07:23:16 PM »

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This Sixers game might end up going down as the most over-analyzed preseason game in the history of Celticsblog.  :P

This made me chuckle.  :)

We've been on basketball withdrawal for 6 months! that hasn't happened in 6 years! I've been shakin' and quakin' and itchin' for some C's!! I'm gonna analyze this game all the way down to Joel Anthony's socks!!!
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Re: From the box score, not an impressive game
« Reply #32 on: October 08, 2014, 07:55:06 PM »

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Just for you guys information, Sullinger just made a 3-point play, drew an offensive foul, and had an assist, and Brad Stevens yanked him! Guess Stevens doesn't like any of those either.

Re: From the box score, not an impressive game
« Reply #33 on: October 08, 2014, 09:40:12 PM »

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I gotta agree with Budweiser that he probably wasn't yanked for missing threes.
He was told to take them all season last year by Stevens and them his finger was apparently hurt- but they still encouraged him to let em' fly (I would too if I wanted a top 6 pick).
I can't see them suddenly changing their strategy without telling Sullinger that he shouldn't take them any more and pulling him off court if he took two shots he's been asked to take regularly last year.

I could be wrong but it doesn't make sense to me.


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Re: From the box score, not an impressive game
« Reply #34 on: October 08, 2014, 09:56:03 PM »

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Impressed now?

Re: From the box score, not an impressive game
« Reply #35 on: October 08, 2014, 09:56:10 PM »

Offline BudweiserCeltic

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I'm guessing our resident Master Box Score Analyzer is going to have an orgasm interpreting tonight's one. Banner 18, here we come!

Re: From the box score, not an impressive game
« Reply #36 on: October 08, 2014, 10:10:02 PM »

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As I predicted another lackluster outing by Marcus Banks 2.0. Should have taken Randle.

Re: From the box score, not an impressive game
« Reply #37 on: October 08, 2014, 10:13:05 PM »

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As I predicted another lackluster outing by Marcus Banks 2.0. Should have taken Randle.

First Rondo, now Smaht. You really have a thing for point guards bro.
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Re: From the box score, not an impressive game
« Reply #38 on: October 08, 2014, 10:18:34 PM »

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As I predicted another lackluster outing by Marcus Banks 2.0. Should have taken Randle.

You're a funny dude.

Re: From the box score, not an impressive game
« Reply #39 on: October 08, 2014, 10:48:50 PM »

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Ok, mr box score analyst.  Your silence is defeaning.  another consecutive 20 point win.  This time all of our starters shot 50% or better from the field.  Even the so-called 'defensive specialist' marcus smart makes 4-8 from the field and 2-4 from downtown.  Got another negative way to spin this one?

In all honesty I don't care if the numbers in the 'box score' looked better.  What matters is that we won by 20 again.  This looks like a team of defensive grinders.  We will do the most work in the 2nd half after grinding a team to submission over the course of a full game.

A win is a win.  And again a lot of positives to take out of this one.  Carmelo Anthony was pretty much shut down, held to just 10 points.  I'm not sure how to spin this game in a negative light, but I'm sure some negative Nancy will find a way.  Just waiting to see how.

game summary from nba.com:
http://www.nba.com/games/20141008/NYKBOS/gameinfo.html

Re: From the box score, not an impressive game
« Reply #40 on: October 09, 2014, 03:49:51 AM »

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As I predicted another lackluster outing by Marcus Banks 2.0. Should have taken Randle.

This kind of trolling is reaching ridiculous levels. I'm almost convinced you really don't know much about basketball other than seeing nice PPG..or this is just some elaborate troll job. There are already videos of the defensive pounding Smart put on Philly, and I have no idea how you could say that after tonight's game.

Re: From the box score, not an impressive game
« Reply #41 on: October 09, 2014, 04:27:43 AM »

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As I predicted another lackluster outing by Marcus Banks 2.0. Should have taken Randle.

First Rondo, now Smaht. You really have a thing for point guards bro.

Should have put Bass at point guard and traded Rondo and Smart for a 6'1 YMCA league center and petty cash considerations.

Solves all of our problems.

Re: From the box score, not an impressive game
« Reply #42 on: October 09, 2014, 05:07:50 AM »

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As I predicted another lackluster outing by Marcus Banks 2.0. Should have taken Randle.

Did you watch the game?


Also, have you seen much of Randle? During the real training camp on nbatv, Kobe was calling out Randle because he was supposedly hiding during some of the drills by staying at the end of the line. Not exactly the mindset you'd expect from a budding star.

Re: From the box score, not an impressive game
« Reply #43 on: October 09, 2014, 03:52:21 PM »

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As I predicted another lackluster outing by Marcus Banks 2.0. Should have taken Randle.

Did you watch the game?


Also, have you seen much of Randle? During the real training camp on nbatv, Kobe was calling out Randle because he was supposedly hiding during some of the drills by staying at the end of the line. Not exactly the mindset you'd expect from a budding star.

And the Coach asked him to improve on his conditioning.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakers/lakersnow/la-sp-ln-byron-scott-julius-randle-improve-conditioning-20141007-story.html

We do not have a 0.500 team...
« Reply #44 on: October 09, 2014, 04:26:20 PM »

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Or anything near that. I will be delighted to be proven wrong in practice, but here are the two glaring problems of this year's C's:
-no legitimate Center with all the defensive and rebounding problems that come with this .
-we seem to be quite better in scoring than last year (improved chemistry, Sullynyk have so far good 3pt %+ Thornton + above all ET) but in the large scheme of things, we remain a young team without a great scorer. Keep in mind please what the other teams have. NYK will most probably not make the playoffs and have Melo. LAL will certainly not make the playoffs and have Kobe. Houston have Harden and are projected to finish 6th.
-Also, I find it disturbing that in discussing what we acquire ppl tend to forget what we lost- Lee, Crawford and Bayless all of whom helped significantly with scoring last year.
If what happened last year is any guide, I expect that we will play the best we can until roughly December. Then we will realistically evaluate our chances of getting in the playoffs (and actually doing sthg better than getting swept in the first round) or entering rebuilding/tanking/whatever- you- wanna- call -it- mode and focus on young player development, experimenting etc.
In short, no one in his right mind is wishing this team to lose games. But to call anyone who states the obvious, ie that this team is in year 2 of a long rebuilding and far behind most teams in the conference, a tanker/hater/infidel or whatever is not  conducive to meaningful dialogue.