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I gotta admit the more i hear, the less i'm liking Stevens
« on: October 03, 2014, 11:14:31 AM »

Offline GreenWarrior

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From rotations to now hearing this:

http://www.celticsblog.com/2014/10/3/6900235/brandon-bass-has-extended-his-range-to-include-the-corner-3-pointer

the 3 point shot is the least efficient shot in basketball and now we're encouraging a guy that has recently "found this range"? I thought Stevens was a "numbers guy". shouldn't he know this?

I could barely tolerate Sullinger being encouraged to take 3's, but now Bass too?

I think Stevens is good at what he does(using rotations the way he does) even though I ultimately think it's losing basketball.  i'm hoping all of this is just not having the players to go to war with. but I'm more than concerned.
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« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2014, 11:16:51 AM »

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Have you considered that Brandon Bass is likely not a part of the future of this team and Stevens is therefore doing his part to attempt to inflate his trade value?
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« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2014, 11:17:17 AM »

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Least accurate shot in basketball sounds scary. Of course if you said "second most efficient shot in basketball" that'd sound better, because that's what a three point shot is. Only thing that beats it is a layup/dunk at the rim.

Stevens knows this because he is a numbers guy.
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« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2014, 11:17:48 AM »

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Quote from: GreenWarrior on October 03, 2014, 11:14:31 AM
From rotations to now hearing this:

http://www.celticsblog.com/2014/10/3/6900235/brandon-bass-has-extended-his-range-to-include-the-corner-3-pointer

the 3 point shot is the least accurate shot in basketball and now we're encouraging a guy that has recently "found this range"? I thought Stevens was a "numbers guy". shouldn't he know this?

What?  I'm pretty sure the corner 3 is the most accurate 3-point shot, which is why so many teams make it part of their gameplan...Oh, you're saying 3s in general.  Of course shots that are farther away go in less often - fortunately these shots are worth 1.5x the other kind.  Numbers!


EDIT:  Yup, from Goldsberry: "Some people believe the corner 3 is the smartest shot in the NBA. I’m not sure, the dunk is usually effective. What is clear is that the corner 3 is the best jump shot on the court, and as a result, analytics people tend to revere offenses like the Spurs that seem to always get nice open looks from the corners. The corner 3 is a very useful offensive device.

About 1 of every 16 of NBA field goal attempts is a corner 3. League-wide they go in about 37% of the time, which is the highest percentage of any 3-point shot."

http://courtvisionanalytics.com/the-cornermen-of-the-nba/
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Quote from: Silent Storm on October 03, 2014, 11:16:51 AM
Have you considered that Brandon Bass is likely not a part of the future of this team and Stevens is therefore doing his part to attempt to inflate his trade value?
I think Stevens wants at least one of his big men on the floor to be able to hit 3s, even if only corner 3s. Hence encouraging Sullinger to take them, Olynyk, and now Bass.

Its part of his and apparently Ainge's plans, and is definitely the trend in the league now.
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« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2014, 11:19:57 AM »

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Quote from: foulweatherfan on October 03, 2014, 11:17:48 AM
Quote from: GreenWarrior on October 03, 2014, 11:14:31 AM
From rotations to now hearing this:

http://www.celticsblog.com/2014/10/3/6900235/brandon-bass-has-extended-his-range-to-include-the-corner-3-pointer

the 3 point shot is the least accurate shot in basketball and now we're encouraging a guy that has recently "found this range"? I thought Stevens was a "numbers guy". shouldn't he know this?

What?  I'm pretty sure the corner 3 is the most accurate 3-point shot, which is why so many teams make it part of their gameplan.
Yeah corner three is what a 45% on average? 50%+ for those who are really good at it, which makes it almost as valuable as a dunk.

80% for 2 points or 50% for 3

Edit: 37% is way lower than I thought it'd be, Ray Allen has spoiled me I guess.
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The three is the least accurate shot in the NBA, but 33.3% from three equals 50% from two.  Bass' specialty -- the long two-pointer -- is actually the least efficient shot in basketball.  If Bass can extend his range, that makes him much more of a weapon, not only in terms of improving his efficiency, but also in terms of opening up spacing for other players.

I agree with you to some extent that having Sullinger focus on threes can be counter-productive, because it takes away easier shots down low for him.  However, where Bass is shooting from outside anyway, there's no real downside of him extending his shot if he's capable of it.
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« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2014, 11:22:09 AM »

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Quote from: Fafnir on October 03, 2014, 11:19:57 AM
Edit: 37% is way lower than I thought it'd be, Ray Allen has spoiled me I guess.

Yeah, but it's still an effective 55.5% rate.

Can't wait for the reaction when Zeller starts taking em. 
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« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2014, 11:34:12 AM »

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This reminds me of Mark Blount starting to shoot the longball at age 31.
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« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2014, 12:09:15 PM »

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bass takes a ton of long range jump shots. A few corner 3's is not going hurt the team

we need to definitely inflate his trade value. not going to be here for next season
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Quote from: triboy16f on October 03, 2014, 12:09:15 PM
bass takes a ton of long range jump shots. A few corner 3's is not going hurt the team

we need to definitely inflate his trade value. not going to be here for next season

That's my feeling too -- if the reports that Bass's alleged inability to hit the three were one of the reasons he wasn't traded to, say, Houston or Golden State have any accuracy at all it would make sense to have him show other teams that he can be their stretch four.
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Quote from: GreenWarrior on October 03, 2014, 11:14:31 AM
the 3 point shot is the least accurate shot in basketball and now we're encouraging a guy that has recently "found this range"? I thought Stevens was a "numbers guy". shouldn't he know this?
30% 3PT = 45% 2PT
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« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2014, 12:23:30 PM »

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Quote from: Fafnir on October 03, 2014, 11:17:17 AM
Least accurate shot in basketball sounds scary. Of course if you said "second most efficient shot in basketball" that'd sound better, because that's what a three point shot is. Only thing that beats it is a layup/dunk at the rim.

Stevens knows this because he is a numbers guy.

uggh. yeah I meant least effient. I fixed it.
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« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2014, 12:25:18 PM »

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Quote from: GreenWarrior on October 03, 2014, 12:23:30 PM
Quote from: Fafnir on October 03, 2014, 11:17:17 AM
Least accurate shot in basketball sounds scary. Of course if you said "second most efficient shot in basketball" that'd sound better, because that's what a three point shot is. Only thing that beats it is a layup/dunk at the rim.

Stevens knows this because he is a numbers guy.

uggh. yeah I meant least effient.
If that's what you meant then you are factually incorrect. 3 point shots are not inefficient if you achieve even baseline competancy at them.
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