WYC/Ainge/Stevens speak on Celtics (players, training camp, etc)

[D.o.s.]

From that 2010 article:

Paul has two years remaining before he can opt out of his current contract with the Hornets. However, he said at his charity golf outing earlier this month that he would welcome a trade if the Hornets did not demonstrate a willingness to give him a supporting cast that would make the club good enough to compete with any team in the NBA.

Only days after making that statement, Paul fired his agent and hired Leon Rose, who also represents LeBron James. Paul also agreed to work with James' LRMR marketing agency.

Paul's representatives then told the Hornets that Paul was interested in being traded, but the Hornets countered by scheduling a meeting in New Orleans that included Demps, Williams, Weber, Rose and Paul's brother, C.J. Paul.

two weeks =/= a season and change, but good try, good effort.

[BballTim]

From that 2010 article:

Paul has two years remaining before he can opt out of his current contract with the Hornets. However, he said at his charity golf outing earlier this month that he would welcome a trade if the Hornets did not demonstrate a willingness to give him a supporting cast that would make the club good enough to compete with any team in the NBA.

Only days after making that statement, Paul fired his agent and hired Leon Rose, who also represents LeBron James. Paul also agreed to work with James' LRMR marketing agency.

Paul's representatives then told the Hornets that Paul was interested in being traded, but the Hornets countered by scheduling a meeting in New Orleans that included Demps, Williams, Weber, Rose and Paul's brother, C.J. Paul.

two weeks =/= a season and change, but good try, good effort.

  I guess I wasn't specific enough in my description, I was talking about this:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ys-chris_paul_hornets_knicks_nba_trade_120111

  What CP said in 2010 was probably akin to what PP told the Celts in 2007 or what many people assume Rondo told the team this summer. What CP said in late 2011 was closer to the level what Love said to Minny, or what Jackie claimed Rondo said.

[MBunge]

Perhaps, but you were both responding to the same statement:

I think she thinks it's true, and I think that she's not one to be creating something out of nothing just to hear herself talk.

Except she didn't say "I think" about anything.  She was making FACTUAL CLAIMS about the situation.  She wasn't theorizing or hypothesizing or speculating.  She said Rondo told the Celtics he "wants out".  She also said "nobody believes me", indicating that no one else has been told the same information by their sources.

Mike

It's just off-camera banter between colleagues. It's likely that she's just voicing her opinion and not reporting something she has evidence and the other people know it. The fact that she said "I've been telling everybody that but nobody believes me" points to her friends either thinking it's just her opinion, or her having little to no credibility with her colleagues. I tend to think the former's more likely. I also think that's why she's been so silent on the subject.

Like I've said this whole time, I think she thinks there's something to her statement. I'm inclined to agree with you, Tim, in that it's much more likely to be an intuition on her part, but my point -- that statements from Ainge, Wyc, and/or anyone connected to a franchise's player should be treated with significantly more suspicion in regards to player movement -- still stands.

And who, in this entire thread, has even suggested that Ainge, Wyc, Rondo are only telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?  It may very well be the case that Rondo told the Celtics "I want out".  An offhand remark in between TV segments is hardly definitive proof of that, however, and given that there is literally NO OTHER INDICATION that such a thing happened, it seems perfectly reasonable for folks to doubt it.

Mike

So now it's an offhand remark? Because, you know, before you were saying they were FACTUAL CLAIMS.

I do appreciate the fact that you've taken a day to breathe and relax. Your turn towards the apoplectic was fairly obnoxious.

The fact that Ainge said "very credible people were making things up" prompted me to say that Ainge has a lot to lose by admitting that Rondo wants a trade, and that we should assess his statements accordingly. Then you came in with your innate mastery of C A P I T A L  L E T T E R S and your misguided assessment on , well, more or less everything, related to this thread and now here we are.

Have a TP.

What's obnoxious, and largely pitiful, is your sophistry.

Jackie made a factual claim in an offhand remark.  That you somehow think the two are mutually exclusive does not speak well of you.

And let me see if I grasp your argument, or at least the one you're making now.

1.  If Ainge admits Rondo wants to be traded, that would be bad for him and the team.  Therefore, his claims should be evaluated in that light.

2.  But Jackie making a factual claim in an offhand remark, which she has refused to elaborate on and has been refuted by EVERY OTHER PERSON involved in the matter and by EVERY OTHER PERSON in the media who has reported on it, should not be evaluated in that light?

Mike

[D.o.s.]

You're correct -- I don't think that Jackie's claims should be measured against whether or not they'd be damaging to the workings of the Celtics front office.

I've already explained my reasoning several times. Other posters understand it -- even Tim understands it, he just doesn't agree with it. At a certain point, you have to stop leading the horse to water. You are, perhaps intentionally, not getting it, and splitting hairs to ensure that you never have to get it, because, like Kenny Powers, you don't want to be wrong.

I'll give you another TP for being savvy enough to look up sophistry, though.

[Celtics18]

D.o.s.,

I agree that it might be in Ainge and Celtic's managements best interests to deny that Rondo is going anywhere, even if there were truth to the rumors.

I disagree that Jackie had nothing to gain from leaking her bombshell about Rondo.  I believe she did gain.  I would venture to guess that she is currently the most well-known and most talked about sports writer in Boston and possibly across the country.  That kind of recognition (whether people perceive it as positive or negative) is lucrative for someone in her business.

Her moment on the ESPN show probably helped her career more than it hurt.  Jackie's a smart lady.  It may not have been accidental.