Rondo for DWill Idea: DWill as our next Ray Allen

[gpap]

Deron Williams strikes me as another Ray Allen type.

Older player, ankle issues but has had surgery this summer.

If Jackie M's reports about Rondo wanting max deal are accurate, maybe DA considers this and maybe Brooklyn moves on from Deron and gives Rondo a shot.

Plus Rondo and KG are former teammates.

For the Celts, they get a new player to build around.

You don't build around an aging PG that clearly has lost whatever motivation/ability to play.

And why trade for Deron Williams, when we possibly got someone just like him for a younger price, and is a better defender than D-Will?

I think D-Will was a great PG, and definitely was on the cusp of being 1B to 1A of CP3.

Unfortunately, I also think Sloan's system/offensive metrics is a big key for why D-Will was so successful. Now if the Nets want to trade us Lopez/Williams for some cap relief/some of their picks back. I wouldn't mind doing that.

A lineup of Rondo, Williams, Lopez could be interesting.

Not a bad idea.

By the way, DWill is only 30 yrs old and is just 2 years older than Rondo.

When the Celts acquired Ray Allen and KG in 2007, they were both 32 and 31 respectively.

Jus' saying.

The difference is that Allen the year before he got traded to the Celtics, was averaging 26.4 and was shown to be a dominant force offensively.

Williams is having one of his worse career seasons with the exception of his rookie year, and didn't even eclipse past 15 PPG. He was a huge reason for why they flunked in the playoffs, as he looked a step slow, hesitant, and was terrible defensively letting Chalmers blow him constantly. There were times where Kidd instructed Shaun to guard Chalmers exclusively and switch immediately on pick and rolls.

If we did something like this, we might as go for J-Smoove.

Rondo
D-Will
(Whoever)
Josh Smith
Brook Lopez

Interesting team, I guess?

Ok, well that's a good point.

Honestly, I didn't see too much of Ray Allen before he got dealt to Boston.

I just remember when we first landed him, there were a lot of people who weren't crazy about the deal because he was known as a great shooter but was also 32 and had a history of ankle problems.

I didn't know he was averaging 26 ppg the season before.

[Monkhouse]

Bad contract, bad attitude, lost a step...  No thanks.

Plus, if he's the Ray Allen, who is the Paul Pierce?

This too.

Got Sloan fired even though 50% of D-Will's success was due to the system Sloan developed...

Gets upset, calls out players, argues, and is just a terrible teammate. He doesn't seem to be the leader that everyone thought he could be. There is no alpha dog mentality, or a commanding authority aura that emits at all from him.

Deron Williams strikes me as another Ray Allen type.

Older player, ankle issues but has had surgery this summer.

If Jackie M's reports about Rondo wanting max deal are accurate, maybe DA considers this and maybe Brooklyn moves on from Deron and gives Rondo a shot.

Plus Rondo and KG are former teammates.

For the Celts, they get a new player to build around.

You don't build around an aging PG that clearly has lost whatever motivation/ability to play.

And why trade for Deron Williams, when we possibly got someone just like him for a younger price, and is a better defender than D-Will?

I think D-Will was a great PG, and definitely was on the cusp of being 1B to 1A of CP3.

Unfortunately, I also think Sloan's system/offensive metrics is a big key for why D-Will was so successful. Now if the Nets want to trade us Lopez/Williams for some cap relief/some of their picks back. I wouldn't mind doing that.

A lineup of Rondo, Williams, Lopez could be interesting.

Not a bad idea.

By the way, DWill is only 30 yrs old and is just 2 years older than Rondo.

When the Celts acquired Ray Allen and KG in 2007, they were both 32 and 31 respectively.

Jus' saying.

The difference is that Allen the year before he got traded to the Celtics, was averaging 26.4 and was shown to be a dominant force offensively.

Williams is having one of his worse career seasons with the exception of his rookie year, and didn't even eclipse past 15 PPG. He was a huge reason for why they flunked in the playoffs, as he looked a step slow, hesitant, and was terrible defensively letting Chalmers blow him constantly. There were times where Kidd instructed Shaun to guard Chalmers exclusively and switch immediately on pick and rolls.

If we did something like this, we might as go for J-Smoove.

Rondo
D-Will
(Whoever)
Josh Smith
Brook Lopez

Interesting team, I guess?

Ok, well that's a good point.

Honestly, I didn't see too much of Ray Allen before he got dealt to Boston.

I just remember when we first landed him, there were a lot of people who weren't crazy about the deal because he was known as a great shooter but was also 32 and had a history of ankle problems.

I didn't know he was averaging 26 ppg the season before.

The history of ankle problems is overblown...

Yes he has had some serious issues, but a lot of is it in tune due to the fact Allen is playing 36-40 minutes in the past 4 years before he got to the Celtics. 28-31 his averages were around 38.4 MPG, and while that is his prime, Allen was and has been the main focus offensively most of the time. So there is plenty of wear and tear/miles on his ankles.

[gpap]

Bad contract, bad attitude, lost a step...  No thanks.

Plus, if he's the Ray Allen, who is the Paul Pierce?

Well, there is no Paul Pierce right now.

But don't forget, guys like Pierce are a very rare breed.

Not because he was so good, but because he was very loyal to Boston and wanted to win IN Boston.

Guys like that don't come around too often and the Celts just don't have a guy like that right now.

Whether or not the Celts can or can't win without a guy like that is hard to say.

[Monkhouse]

Bad contract, bad attitude, lost a step...  No thanks.

Plus, if he's the Ray Allen, who is the Paul Pierce?

Well, there is no Paul Pierce right now.

But don't forget, guys like Pierce are a very rare breed.

Not because he was so good, but because he was very loyal to Boston and wanted to win IN Boston.

Guys like that don't come around too often.

Well when you put it that way, makes sense.

I still consider Rondo our Paul Pierce. We have yet to see Rondo play without being injured by himself. I wanna see how he does this year, before we decide to trade or close the book on trying to contend.

[gpap]

Bad contract, bad attitude, lost a step...  No thanks.

Plus, if he's the Ray Allen, who is the Paul Pierce?

Well, there is no Paul Pierce right now.

But don't forget, guys like Pierce are a very rare breed.

Not because he was so good, but because he was very loyal to Boston and wanted to win IN Boston.

Guys like that don't come around too often.

Well when you put it that way, makes sense.

I still consider Rondo our Paul Pierce. We have yet to see Rondo play without being injured by himself. I wanna see how he does this year, before we decide to trade or close the book on trying to contend.

Another interesting point/debate.

Is Rondo the 2014 version of the 2007 Paul Pierce?

I am not so sure he is.

I know Pierce's defense was his weakness but I think Pierce was a more complete player in 2007 and was more of an endearing Celtic than Rondo is.

And by the way, I am not ripping on Rondo. I am really not. I just don't know that I see another Paul Pierce in Rajon Rondo.

[BballTim]

Bad contract, bad attitude, lost a step...  No thanks.

Plus, if he's the Ray Allen, who is the Paul Pierce?

Well, there is no Paul Pierce right now.

But don't forget, guys like Pierce are a very rare breed.

Not because he was so good, but because he was very loyal to Boston and wanted to win IN Boston.

Guys like that don't come around too often and the Celts just don't have a guy like that right now.

  You're seriously unaware that Rondo's talked about wanting to stay in Boston and win here?

[SparzWizard]

Next thing you know Deron Williams is going to run Brad Stevens out of Boston.

Just like how he did to Jerry Sloan, P.J. Carlesimo, and Jason Kidd lol!

[Sketch5]

Nope. Not paying Williams 20mill a year for the next 3. He averaged last season, 14ppg 6apg 3rpg. Rondo adds more to the team with 12ppg 10apg and 5rpg. And that's coming off of an ACL in limited minutes.

Plus if we have a PG change it's Rondo out for a SF or C, and Smart take over. I could see Smart getting close to Williams numbers, and would be 17M less a season.

DA was right though. Looking at teams, very few need a PG. It's going to be hard to move Rondo for good value. I think people are going to have to accept we might get some contract players and picks. That would be worst case of course, but when Huston,Indy,Sac,LA are the teams that could really use Rondo, they don't have much to give up for him.

[gpap]

Bad contract, bad attitude, lost a step...  No thanks.

Plus, if he's the Ray Allen, who is the Paul Pierce?

Well, there is no Paul Pierce right now.

But don't forget, guys like Pierce are a very rare breed.

Not because he was so good, but because he was very loyal to Boston and wanted to win IN Boston.

Guys like that don't come around too often and the Celts just don't have a guy like that right now.

  You're seriously unaware that Rondo's talked about wanting to stay in Boston and win here?

Nope, I am fully aware. Nor am I saying that I don't think Rondo would make a good Celtic if he retired here.

I am just saying that I see some differences in the comparison between Paul Pierce of 2007 and Rondo of 2014, that's all.

[gpap]

Nope. Not paying Williams 20mill a year for the next 3. He averaged last season, 14ppg 6apg 3rpg. Rondo adds more to the team with 12ppg 10apg and 5rpg. And that's coming off of an ACL in limited minutes.

Plus if we have a PG change it's Rondo out for a SF or C, and Smart take over. I could see Smart getting close to Williams numbers, and would be 17M less a season.

DA was right though. Looking at teams, very few need a PG. It's going to be hard to move Rondo for good value. I think people are going to have to accept we might get some contract players and picks. That would be worst case of course, but when Huston,Indy,Sac,LA are the teams that could really use Rondo, they don't have much to give up for him.

Yeah, but is having Smart being a starting point guard in his rookie year a good idea?

I mean if the idea is to tank or rebuild, then I guess it couldn't hurt.

[puskas54_10]

Deron Williams stopped being a star player the minute Jerry Sloan retired/fired.
He just does not care (at least it looks like). He's work ethic is horrible. Ray Allen has the best work ethic in the NBA. KG was always in good shape. Those guys' problem never was desire to win or being in shape. Their team just didn't have enough talent. Last years Nets team was stacked. Williams didn't look engaged at all.
Plus his contract is horrible.

[Fred Roberts]

D Will = top 5 worst contracts in NBA. Hasn't been a 'star' for three years. Highly overpaid for years to come given his current declining skills.

[mgent]

You don't want Rondo because he wants the max, but you do know that DWill already earns the max right?

[Sketch5]

Nope. Not paying Williams 20mill a year for the next 3. He averaged last season, 14ppg 6apg 3rpg. Rondo adds more to the team with 12ppg 10apg and 5rpg. And that's coming off of an ACL in limited minutes.

Plus if we have a PG change it's Rondo out for a SF or C, and Smart take over. I could see Smart getting close to Williams numbers, and would be 17M less a season.

DA was right though. Looking at teams, very few need a PG. It's going to be hard to move Rondo for good value. I think people are going to have to accept we might get some contract players and picks. That would be worst case of course, but when Huston,Indy,Sac,LA are the teams that could really use Rondo, they don't have much to give up for him.

Yeah, but is having Smart being a starting point guard in his rookie year a good idea?

I mean if the idea is to tank or rebuild, then I guess it couldn't hurt.

If we can't get a player like Love this year, I'm all for one more tank season and would like to see Smart play behind Rondo for at least a half season. That would do him well. But I think Smart being on the bench for too long will hurt him a little big. He seems like a player that if thrown in will excel were other guys may digress when things don't go well.

I don't think Williams makes this team any better than Rondo will this season. No sense in moving Rondo and getting stuck with a guy at 20mill thats been having ankle issues. That would be two guys in our back court that would be limping around by the all star break. 

[get_banners]

No. God no. Unless we got a #1 with Williams. Which...might be hard b/c the Nets don't have a 1st round pick they can even trade us until, what, 2020? Haha. But yeah, no way in hell do I want DWill, who has been slowly falling apart. Shocking that it happened, as I preferred him to CP3 (overall) back when he was in Utah.